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Posted 15 June 2014 - 11:02 AM

Chris Young is so bad he might not even be in baseball next season. He has more K's than hits on the season

 

Would like to hear some word on Lagares. This team just died after he went out of the lineup. Flat out died


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 02:42 PM

Really frustrating watching Kevin Quackenbush come on and groove two 90 mph fastballs down the middle of the plate to Wright who proceeds to foul both back, and then fly out on ball 4 up and away

 

Is he hurt? because right now he is absolutely terrible.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 05:04 PM

well. Baby steps. Guess it's nice to have a team worse than you in the building...so the mets were able to take 2 of 3. Great job by the pen piecing things together after Dice-K came down with the runs. Still atrocious with RISP but what else is new. Vic Black looked like he would implode there for a second...

 

Duda, who's looked awful with his range recently, made 2 nice stops in the 9th with Mejia working his second inning.

 

Granderson does well in the leadoff spot, but I don't think I want him there all that often. When he hits his HR's I want at least a chance for there to be runners on base.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 06:32 AM

Kind of hard to believe that the Mets are STILL only 5.5 games out of first.  They're one terrific run away from getting back into an NL East that can never seem to pull it together...all the more frustrating is that the run won't ever happen (and if it did, of course the Mets would follow it up with a six or seven game losing streak.  It's just what they do). 

 

Not sure why David Wright has to play every single day when he's in a slump like this.  The Mets have played 69 games and David's played in all of them.  Obviously he's the everyday third baseman...money, status, and the simple fact that there's no pheenom at 3rd in the Mets' system pretty much guarantees that.  But good Lord, how hard is it to sit him for one friggin' game?  The guy has done about as close to nothing as is possible for an everyday player...he's two for his last 39.  Maybe it won't do any good, but what the hell do you have to lose at this point?  Can he possibly do any WORSE? 

 

Montero officially diagnosed with a left oblique strain. 

 

Syndergaard is off the DL and will be starting tonight.  He'll be limited to 75 pitches.  Just hope he stays healthy enough and pitches well enough to get some time in the majors this season. 

 

Nice job by Torres yesterday, and he's been a pleasant surprise since he was called up last season, but it looks like he's starting to come back to earth.  He has a 1.54 WHIP this season, which usually doesn't bode well, in that his more respectable numbers (like his ERA) are probably going to take a hit soon.  Even with yesterday's solid appearance factored in, his numbers are rough lately (the 6/12 appearance does distort things a little...he was credited with one inning pitched and allowed seven hits):

 

7.1 IP, 17 H, 8 ER, 4 BB, 10 K   

 

Hard to believe that Eveland can possibly continue what he's done so far for long (though he's has a couple of decent stretches in the majors before), but the fact that he's given the Mets anything at all is a bonus.

 

Granderson is very quietly having a torrid month, and it's barely being noticed (by me included) for two reasons:  1)  the Mets continue to lose (5-9 in June), and 2) his overall numbers still look bad at a quick glance, though some are starting to look pretty good:  OB% is up to .346 (that's actually ABOVE his career .340 OB%), and he's on pace for 21 HR.  But his numbers for June are just as awesome so far as his April was brutal:  .375 BA, .471 OB%, .650 SLG, 1.121 OB+SLG.  His May was really about we could've realistically hoped for:  .253 BA, .373 OB%, .465 SLG, .838 OB+SLG. 

 

I think if you went up to most Met fans and posted Granderson's overall numbers since May 1, they'd be stunned:

 

40-for-139, .288 BA, .402 OB%, .518 SLG, .920 OB+SLG, 8 HR, 24 RBI

 

Think about it...if Granderson had started the season this way (or had even had had a simply bad April instead of a completely invisible one), we'd all be wetting our pants and talking about what a killer signing this was.  Unfortunately for Grandy, he's going to need another 30 days or so of performing at the above pace before anyone forgets April and is able to see the negative impact that month had on his numbers (and I am the first to admit that I'm as guilty of this as anyone else...I've been killing Granderson, and Sandy for signing him all season). 


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 02:44 PM

You guys have to read this. Its truly one of the craziest and most unlikely scenarios I've ever heard... But Evan and Joe were discussing it on WFAN today. It makes me think of 'Major League'... Except with this being real life, the Mets won't win it all like the Indians. :P http://www.heralddep...rs-dream/237510
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Posted 16 June 2014 - 03:50 PM

I don't know how much I even want to read that article...seems like a lot of moving pieces that would have to fall into place and Selig isn't going to be around much longer to help Fred and Jeff.

 

btw lol at DeGrom batting #8 and EY batting #9 in the lineup.  Collins channeling his inner LaRussa.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 03:56 PM

Yikes.  Beyond kooky.  If anyone but Wilpons owned the Mets, I'd say this has a .000000000000000000000001% chance of happening.  But considering that those incompetents do indeed own the Mets, I upgrade the possibility to .000000001%. 


I don't know how much I even want to read that article...seems like a lot of moving pieces that would have to fall into place and Selig isn't going to be around much longer to help Fred and Jeff.

 

btw lol at DeGrom batting #8 and EY batting #9 in the lineup.  Collins channeling his inner LaRussa.

 

Always a sad day when EY gets ABs.  Someday the Mets will realize how awful he is. 


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[Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
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Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 08:32 PM

By all means TC, just keep throwing David Wright out there.  Heaven forbid you might pull your head out of your ass long enough to see that he's completely lost right now.  Sadly this isn't the first time in recent years that Wright has completely vanished when his team desperately needed him to step up. 

 

And man it's so frustrating watching a team like the Cardinals racking up the clutch hits. 


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THE NHL MUST LOVE THE DEVILS - from who else? A RANGER fan!
[Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 06:22 AM

Syndergaard returned to the Vegas rotation last night...4 IP, 7 H, 4 ER, but did throw 73 pitches and I haven't seen anything to suggest that he had any physical issues.  It will probably be another start or two before we know if there's anything lingering. 

 

Zack Wheeler made his debut exactly one year ago tomorrow.  Sucks that just enough conspired against Syndergaard to prevent him from debuting around the same time this season.  I'm guessing unless Syndergaard really tears it up, we're not seeing him up here until late July-early August at the very earliest.  I'm starting to think we may not see him until late August-early September.  I'm actually OK with that, as long as he gets some starts up here before this season ends (even if it's only a handful). 

 

It's gotten ugly for deGrom in his last three starts:  15 IP, 26 H, 13 ER, 6 BB, 9 K, 7.80 ERA.  And he's 0-4 (the record clearly isn't all his fault...he pitched well enough to win at least three out of his first four starts).  I wonder how much patience the Mets will show with him.  If he has a couple more rough ones, does he get demoted to the bullpen or Vegas?  Gee (remember him?) is supposed to be back in the rotation in late June or early July.  If deGrom really gets banged up in his next start (if that happens, I'd start to worry about his confidence...an 0-5 record can't help a young pitcher feel terribly good about himself), they could send him back down to Vegas and have Eveland take his place until Gee is ready, though Eveland in the early going is doing a pretty nice Carlos Torres imitation (coming out of nowhere to stake a bullpen claim in the majors).   


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THE NHL MUST LOVE THE DEVILS - from who else? A RANGER fan!
[Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 09:07 AM

Syndergaard returned to the Vegas rotation last night...4 IP, 7 H, 4 ER, but did throw 73 pitches and I haven't seen anything to suggest that he had any physical issues.  It will probably be another start or two before we know if there's anything lingering. 

 

Zack Wheeler made his debut exactly one year ago tomorrow.  Sucks that just enough conspired against Syndergaard to prevent him from debuting around the same time this season.  I'm guessing unless Syndergaard really tears it up, we're not seeing him up here until late July-early August at the very earliest.  I'm starting to think we may not see him until late August-early September.  I'm actually OK with that, as long as he gets some starts up here before this season ends (even if it's only a handful). 

 

It's gotten ugly for deGrom in his last three starts:  15 IP, 26 H, 13 ER, 6 BB, 9 K, 7.80 ERA.  And he's 0-4 (the record clearly isn't all his fault...he pitched well enough to win at least three out of his first four starts).  I wonder how much patience the Mets will show with him.  If he has a couple more rough ones, does he get demoted to the bullpen or Vegas?  Gee (remember him?) is supposed to be back in the rotation in late June or early July.  If deGrom really gets banged up in his next start (if that happens, I'd start to worry about his confidence...an 0-5 record can't help a young pitcher feel terribly good about himself), they could send him back down to Vegas and have Eveland take his place until Gee is ready, though Eveland in the early going is doing a pretty nice Carlos Torres imitation (coming out of nowhere to stake a bullpen claim in the majors).   

 

I think Wright might be hiding an injury at this point. Sometimes the guy tries a bit too hard. And it's extra hard for him to come out of slumps since there is absolutely tumbleweeds in the lineup next to him. Why throw him a fastball, why give hi,m anything to hit. What is the next guy in the lineup going to make you pay...or the guy after that? no and no

 

Yea they're starting to figure deGrom out a little. Doesn't seem like his pitches have all that much movement. velocity is there but too much of what he's been throwing of late is just straight. You're not fooling MLB hitters that way.

 

Man Lagares is taking forever to come back.


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Posted 17 June 2014 - 12:19 PM

Not directing this at you '7', but I think a lot of Mets fans make one too many excuses for David Wright.  Since 2009, he really has not been that great, and has been prone to long and costly periods of invisibility.  Overall he has clearly NOT been awful since '09, but it seems like there's a contingent of Mets fans who want to tell you how great Wright is, but then make excuse after excuse for him when he's not playing great or even good.  They can't have it both ways.  But it's the same old sh!t...team sinks, he sinks.  God I hope the Mets find a Keith Hernandez-type...he came to a team in '83 that won just 68 games, but he did his thing and became a nice cornerstone to build around.   


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[Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 03:53 PM

It's easy to want to give Wright a pass for just about anything.  Lifelong Met fan and homegrown star, signed pretty much for the rest of his career and is all class.  Nobody knows he's letting the team down right now more than David.  Of course this organization's let him down plenty over the years too.


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Posted 17 June 2014 - 07:22 PM

Not saying he's ever been a bad guy, and yeah, the Mets haven't exactly been gangbusters in building their team.  But he's not like he's been a shining star...like I said, lots of stretches of futility, often at the worst times.  Wright has shown time and time again he'll never be the first piece in leading a team to greener pastures.

 

I think the Mets should really explore trading him at this point. 


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[Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 07:36 PM

brilliant job terry batting the pitcher 8th again. 1st and 2nd, 2 out in the top of the 1st and Niese is up. That's just who you want up there in the 8 hole...a pitcher


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Posted 17 June 2014 - 08:39 PM

brilliant job terry batting the pitcher 8th again. 1st and 2nd, 2 out in the top of the 1st and Niese is up. That's just who you want up there in the 8 hole...a pitcher

 

Yeah I honestly thought he just did it because it was DeGrom last night (who's hit better than almost everyone else in our lineup sadly), I didn't think he'd actually do it again with a black hole hitting pitcher.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 06:41 AM

d'Arnaud is now tearing up AAA in a big way.  Not really surprised by that at all.  Unforunately, I don't think AAA holds much challenge for him anymore...the only positive that can come out of that is him temporarily finding confidence that he hopefully brings with him to the majors (especially with PCL-bloated "Wow, look that those numbers!").  Whatever the minors could do for his development has been done (unless he's working on his defense, which clearly needs it), and Travis is no 21-year-old kid who may have been brought up too early...he's 25 years old, and he'll be 26 by the start of next season.  The time is really now to see what he can do at the major-league level.  I'm fine with him staying with Vegas for another 2-3 weeks, but not much beyond that, especially since Recker and Teagarden are both complete dead-ends...I don't need to see a couple of 30-year-old scrubs struggle to hit .200, especially when there's no chance either one of them will ever improve much beyond that. 

 

 

brilliant job terry batting the pitcher 8th again. 1st and 2nd, 2 out in the top of the 1st and Niese is up. That's just who you want up there in the 8 hole...a pitcher

 

Sadly, this seems like the kind of desperate move a not-very-good manager makes when he's simply out of answers.  TC is an amateur.  Everyone knows it.  He couldn't get another managerial job before the Mets, and he won't get another one after he's fired.  It's not all his fault...only an idiot like Sandy could look at this team and think 90 wins...but TC hasn't helped much either.  Unfortunately this season is quickly taking on a "the hell with this season, we're not doing anything until the offseason, no matter how ugly it gets" feel, which means Terry probably gets the rest of year no matter what. 

 

Anyway, at this point, here's what I'm hoping to see from here on out:

 

Wright showing some signs of being the player he was from 2005-08 (he'll never be that player again, but I'd settle for a semblance of that)

 

d'Arnaud coming back up.  He's not going to learn anything by raking AAA PCL pitching.  Maybe he won't be much of a major-leaguer, but better to find out as much this year than to put it off for 2015.  (Be careful about going too crazy about Plawecki.  He's doing a terrific job hitting in AA, but from the bits I've read while searching around, his defense behind the plate is enough of a concern that some feel his future in the majors may not be as a catcher.  There seems to be differing opinions as to what he projects as.  Some think he won't be anything more than an average major-leaguer at best.) 

 

If someone is willing to overpay for Gee or Niese at the deadline, Mets have to take such a team up on it (I'm definitely not giving away either arm though).  Even if the Mets don't get much in return for Colon, getting as much of his $10 million due to him next year off the books as possible would be a major coup.  Mets need to spend money next season, and they don't really need Colon. 

 

I would explore moving Murph too.  As much as I like his overall attitude and want to believe he can be more than a bad-team ballplayer, he just has too many baffling moments in the field and on the basepaths.  If he was a beast at the plate (think .320 BA/.380+ OB%), you could live with the gaffes. 

 

It's not hard to see why the Mets are where they are.  Their best player is a complementary player, the SS is a bad-team ballplayer at best (he's barely a major-leaguer, though his OB% is respectable), the right side of the infield are bad-team ballplayers, the current catchers only play on teams where there's no one else available to play the position, Granderson is what he is (his overall numbers this season are about what seemed reasonable to expect), CY is awful, and EY is the answer when you don't even know what the question is. 


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 02:30 PM

Colon is definitely a goner. Thank goodness he's pitching well. Drive that trade value up. I'd then also attempt to trade either Niese or Gee (preferably Gee) though Colon/Gee don't have to be in the same package

 

This team is so bereft of hitting that we MUST get some young quality close to MLB ready bats (and by close I mean either September callup or ready by 2015 to be fulltimers in the bigs close. No A ball prospects) For Gee and Colon, I think we can get at least 2 bats who project to be decent outfielders. I'm not talking Mike Stanton phenoms, but clear upgrades over the human waste known as Chris Young or AAAA also ran Andrew Brown. Guys who can play every day and hit well above Mendoza

 

Dumping Gee and Colon would also relieve payroll a bit, so we will be able to sign a decent back of the rotation guy in the offseason. 

 

2015 Rotation can look like

 

Harvey

Syndergaard

Niese

Wheeler

UFA (Jason Hammel? Ervin Santana? something like that)

 

Montero developing and waiting in the wings as insurance

deGrom developing waiting in the wings as insurance

 

Trading Duda needs to be explored too. See if we can procure a decent SS prospect who's close to being ready. Duda is not the long term answer and Allan Dykstra is pretty much his clone anyway...and he's a year younger. Though trading Duda isn't a must. I'm ready to clear the decks at 1st and I'm still salty we didn't add Jose Abreu. The UFA pool isn't very good for 1B over the offseason. I'd try to bring in Michael Cuddyer as a stop gap.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 02:39 PM

d'Arnaud is now tearing up AAA in a big way.  Not really surprised by that at all.  Unforunately, I don't think AAA holds much challenge for him anymore...the only positive that can come out of that is him temporarily finding confidence that he hopefully brings with him to the majors (especially with PCL-bloated "Wow, look that those numbers!").  Whatever the minors could do for his development has been done (unless he's working on his defense, which clearly needs it), and Travis is no 21-year-old kid who may have been brought up too early...he's 25 years old, and he'll be 26 by the start of next season.  The time is really now to see what he can do at the major-league level.  I'm fine with him staying with Vegas for another 2-3 weeks, but not much beyond that, especially since Recker and Teagarden are both complete dead-ends...I don't need to see a couple of 30-year-old scrubs struggle to hit .200, especially when there's no chance either one of them will ever improve much beyond that. 

 

 

 

Sadly, this seems like the kind of desperate move a not-very-good manager makes when he's simply out of answers.  TC is an amateur.  Everyone knows it.  He couldn't get another managerial job before the Mets, and he won't get another one after he's fired.  It's not all his fault...only an idiot like Sandy could look at this team and think 90 wins...but TC hasn't helped much either.  Unfortunately this season is quickly taking on a "the hell with this season, we're not doing anything until the offseason, no matter how ugly it gets" feel, which means Terry probably gets the rest of year no matter what. 

 

Anyway, at this point, here's what I'm hoping to see from here on out:

 

Wright showing some signs of being the player he was from 2005-08 (he'll never be that player again, but I'd settle for a semblance of that)

 

d'Arnaud coming back up.  He's not going to learn anything by raking AAA PCL pitching.  Maybe he won't be much of a major-leaguer, but better to find out as much this year than to put it off for 2015.  (Be careful about going too crazy about Plawecki.  He's doing a terrific job hitting in AA, but from the bits I've read while searching around, his defense behind the plate is enough of a concern that some feel his future in the majors may not be as a catcher.  There seems to be differing opinions as to what he projects as.  Some think he won't be anything more than an average major-leaguer at best.) 

 

If someone is willing to overpay for Gee or Niese at the deadline, Mets have to take such a team up on it (I'm definitely not giving away either arm though).  Even if the Mets don't get much in return for Colon, getting as much of his $10 million due to him next year off the books as possible would be a major coup.  Mets need to spend money next season, and they don't really need Colon. 

 

I would explore moving Murph too.  As much as I like his overall attitude and want to believe he can be more than a bad-team ballplayer, he just has too many baffling moments in the field and on the basepaths.  If he was a beast at the plate (think .320 BA/.380+ OB%), you could live with the gaffes. 

 

It's not hard to see why the Mets are where they are.  Their best player is a complementary player, the SS is a bad-team ballplayer at best (he's barely a major-leaguer, though his OB% is respectable), the right side of the infield are bad-team ballplayers, the current catchers only play on teams where there's no one else available to play the position, Granderson is what he is (his overall numbers this season are about what seemed reasonable to expect), CY is awful, and EY is the answer when you don't even know what the question is. 

 

I've heard rumors all winter and into the season, metsblog, francesa...that the Mets were fielding offers for Murphy but asking for the moon. So they're open to it but only if somebody bowls them over. I'm ok with that.

 

d'Arnaud better hit when he's back. I'm just sick of waiting around for him.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 03:30 PM

Nice that they salvaged something in St. Louis. Mejia got a key DP, but was unsteady and I'm glad terry yanked him when he did

 

Still, at like 86 pitches Colon could've at least started the 9th.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 03:48 PM

'7', no doubt, if Colon can keep this up through the deadline, how does he not draw some interest?  His last 6 starts:  43.1 IP, 32 H, 8 ER, 8 BB, 31 K, 1.66 ERA.  The guy's physique is scary in a not-so-good way, but somehow it seems to work for him most of the time.  He'd be such a perfect rental for a contender, if not for that second year.  Hopefully someone's desperate enough to roll the dice and say "Aw fvck it, second year or not, let's go for it now!" 

 

I don't think the Mets can get away with not getting enough back for Murph, but at this point, no one should be untouchable, and the Mets shouldn't get silly either with their demands.  Murph is a player with clear limitations, all of which will get magnified again if his OB% ever starts to slip back down into the .320 range.  I still think he could be a killer 9th-place hitter on a contending AL team, especially this year's version that's getting on base at a solid 35.4% rate (as opposed to last year's 31.9%).  Having a 9th-place guy who can do damage is a great luxury for an AL team to have, as the '98 Yankees with Scott Brosius proved.


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