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#221 Sneax

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 08:27 AM

It doesn't matter.  By the time the end of the season comes around, or close to it, there will be teams that are eliminated.  Hell maybe one of them is us.  But this logjam will slowly start to break apart.  THIS MAY COME TO A SHOCK TO YOU, BUT THESE TEAMS WILL ALL BE PLAYING AGAINST EACH OTHER FOR THE MOST PART IN THE FINAL 2 AND A HALF MONTHS IN THE SEASON!  That includes us.  In other words, we will have plenty of opportunities to close the gap ourselves, not to mention when they beat up on each other.

 

Worrying about the games in hand and seeding AT THIS VERY MOMENT is pointless!

I hope you realize that the portion that you wrote in bold, doesn't help the devils case for making the playoffs.

 

 

AKA there will be nights where someone in the standings near us is getting points no matter what.

 

 

Also I doubt this logjam breaks up. This division will be like this until the end.


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#222 DevsMan84

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 08:29 AM

It doesn't matter. By the time the end of the season comes around, or close to it, there will be teams that are eliminated. Hell maybe one of them is us. But this logjam will slowly start to break apart. THIS MAY COME TO A SHOCK TO YOU, BUT THESE TEAMS WILL ALL BE PLAYING AGAINST EACH OTHER FOR THE MOST PART IN THE FINAL 2 AND A HALF MONTHS IN THE SEASON! That includes us. In other words, we will have plenty of opportunities to close the gap ourselves, not to mention when they beat up on each other.

Worrying about the games in hand and seeding AT THIS VERY MOMENT is pointless!


The last dozen posts or so by you are again you playing both sides and that is why half the board finds you annoying. You are telling people it's too early about what other teams are doing yet in the OOT thread you post every fvcking day about what results we want from other teams to help us in the standings. Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth and drop the "playing devils advocate" schtick coma you seem to be in and more people won't have an issue with you.
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#223 Colorado Rockies 1976

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 08:35 AM

It doesn't matter.  By the time the end of the season comes around, or close to it, there will be teams that are eliminated.  Hell maybe one of them is us.  But this logjam will slowly start to break apart.  THIS MAY COME TO A SHOCK TO YOU, BUT THESE TEAMS WILL ALL BE PLAYING AGAINST EACH OTHER FOR THE MOST PART IN THE FINAL 2 AND A HALF MONTHS IN THE SEASON!  That includes us.  In other words, we will have plenty of opportunities to close the gap ourselves, not to mention when they beat up on each other.

 

Worrying about the games in hand and seeding AT THIS VERY MOMENT is pointless!

 

The other thing you're missing is that we'll also see our share of three-point games in those head-to-heads.  That doesn't help matters, and is a big reason why climbing up the standings is a real bitch in today's NHL.  These days, teams only really "beat up on each other" when one of them comes away with no points.   

 

You keep missing my point...I am NOT worrying about seeding and games-in-hand (I brought them up only to paint a complete picture of where the Devils are), I am pointing out that it's not going to be as easy to nab a wild-card berth as you seem to think it will be.  I'd say the Devils have somewhere around a 45% chance to get in.     


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 08:36 AM

I hope you realize that the portion that you wrote in bold, doesn't help the devils case for making the playoffs.

 

 

AKA there will be nights where someone in the standings near us is getting points.

 

It does actually.  It does one of two things.

 

1. It breaks up the logjam.

2. It keeps the cutoff point total lower.

 

The Devils have......

 

2 games vs Carolina

1 game vs Columbus

2 games vs Detroit

1 game vs the Rags

1 game vs Ottawa

1 game vs the Flyers

1 game vs Tampa

1 game vs the Leafs

2 games vs Washington

 

12 of the remaining 25 games are against the teams in the logjam.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 08:40 AM

The other thing you're missing is that we'll also see our share of three-point games in those head-to-heads.  That doesn't help matters, and is a big reason why climbing up the standings is a real bitch in today's NHL.  These days, teams only really "beat up on each other" when one of them comes away with no points.   

 

You keep missing my point...I am NOT worrying about seeding and games-in-hand (I brought them up only to paint a complete picture of where the Devils are), I am pointing out that it's not going to be as easy to nab a wild-card berth as you seem to think it will be.  I'd say the Devils have somewhere around a 45% chance to get in.     

 

Fair point.

 

But remember.  In the games where two teams in the logjam are facing off against each other, they're not just gonna give the point to the opposition.  It won't make a ginormous difference in the end.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 08:48 AM

Bottom line is we got 4 out of a possible 6 points these past 3 games despite frustrating late goals. If wee continue to do that (4 of every 6) we probably are in the playoffs.
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Posted 05 February 2014 - 08:52 AM

The last dozen posts or so by you are again you playing both sides and that is why half the board finds you annoying. You are telling people it's too early about what other teams are doing yet in the OOT thread you post every fvcking day about what results we want from other teams to help us in the standings. Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth and drop the "playing devils advocate" schtick coma you seem to be in and more people won't have an issue with you.

 

I don't play the Devil's advocate shtick.  The only person I see doing that is you.  You argue with people for no reason.


Bottom line is we got 4 out of a possible 6 points these past 3 games despite frustrating late goals. If wee continue to do that (4 of every 6) we probably are in the playoffs.

 

That's another way of looking at it.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 08:58 AM

Bottom line is we got 4 out of a possible 6 points these past 3 games despite frustrating late goals. If wee continue to do that (4 of every 6) we probably are in the playoffs.

 

A .660 point% the rest of the way gets them to the 92-point sweet spot.  Tall order for a team that's currently at .518 for the season. 

 

Not saying that a .660 point% is impossible, but it does mean the Devils can't slog through any more of the 3-3-3 stretches like the one they're on right now.  Or go on a 0-2-3 run where some will say, "Hey, at least they got some points!"  A stretch like that means they'll have to come with 70%+ in the other games, and unless a lot of guys suddenly start finding the back of the net consistently, I don't think they can do that.   


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 09:25 AM

A .660 point% the rest of the way gets them to the 92-point sweet spot. Tall order for a team that's currently at .518 for the season.

Not saying that a .660 point% is impossible, but it does mean the Devils can't slog through any more of the 3-3-3 stretches like the one they're on right now. Or go on a 0-2-3 run where some will say, "Hey, at least they got some points!" A stretch like that means they'll have to come with 70%+ in the other games, and unless a lot of guys suddenly start finding the back of the net consistently, I don't think they can do that.

right, which is why we're only a 42% chance to make it. But to be fair most if the teams above us have been consistently mediocre as well. There's a reason everyone is hovering around the 57-59 point range.

I would also argue that outside of the stadium game were playing by far our best hockey this season right now, no coincidence that we're healthy at the same time.
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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:18 AM

I don't play the Devil's advocate shtick.  The only person I see doing that is you.  You argue with people for no reason.


 

That's another way of looking at it.

 

That's certainly the pot calling the kettle black.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 11:20 AM

That's certainly the pot calling the kettle black.

 

Not really.  I don't actually argue with people.  The difference between you and me is that I don't try and call people out like you do.  I discuss things with people.  I actually provide substance to everything I say and back everything I say up.

 

You argued when someone said they don't always call for bad winters which is a fact.

 

You called me out just because I said I liked the Islanders jerseys or something like that.

 

You argued when I said retro Edge jerseys were rare, when they are in fact rare.

 

You tried calling me out when I said I didn't care about league attendance rankings just because I keep track of our attendance.

 

And now you're trying to start an argument with me because I keep track of OOT scores when it has very little to do with the game-in-hand debate I'm having.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 11:35 AM

Not really.  I don't actually argue with people.  The difference between you and me is that I don't try and call people out like you do.  I discuss things with people.  I actually provide substance to everything I say and back everything I say up.

 

You argued when someone said they don't always call for bad winters which is a fact.

 

You called me out just because I said I liked the Islanders jerseys or something like that.

 

You argued when I said retro Edge jerseys were rare, when they are in fact rare.

 

You tried calling me out when I said I didn't care about league attendance rankings just because I keep track of our attendance.

 

And now you're trying to start an argument with me because I keep track of OOT scores when it has very little to do with the game-in-hand debate I'm having.

 

God are you annoying.  Let's go down your little list shall we?

 

1) That person flipped on me when I stated that I think meteorologists have it nice when they can be wrong and still keep their job.  I didn't start that and you know it.  It started when someone who is in that field got upset by my statement.

 

2) I never argued about anything with the SS jerseys.  I stated my opinion as well as others stated theirs.  I do not recall any arguement.

 

3) Retro Edge Devils jerseys are uncommon and hard to find, but they are not "rare."  Go to any jersey collecting forum and state that and you will get laughed off it right away.  Also, again, rare jerseys usually do not end up on a clearance rack for $150 at Hockey Monkey a year after they were released.

 

4) You don't care about league attendance, but yet every stupid game you post the attendance.  When I asked you why, you said it is just a hobby.  Can you see why what you do and what you say do not match?  If I recall, I wasn't the only one who saw this and agreed with me.

 

5) You are saying that what the other teams do is not important or matter yet every game you are in the OOT thread posting about what teams we need to win or lose and then post about how these other teams helped/screwed us that night.  Can you see how dumb that is?

 

 

Like shooting fish in a barrel when it comes to post whores.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 03:19 PM

That's certainly the pot calling the kettle black.

 

hey i thought I was the pot


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 03:26 PM

But remember.  In the games where two teams in the logjam are facing off against each other, they're not just gonna give the point to the opposition.  It won't make a ginormous difference in the end.

 

What...what are you even saying, at this point?  No, teams won't be giving any giving away points.. but how does that have any effect on the frequency of 3 point games?  3 point games will absolutely have a significant impact on how things play out..

I'm getting a headache, ugh


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 03:28 PM

God are you annoying.  Let's go down your little list shall we?

 

1) That person flipped on me when I stated that I think meteorologists have it nice when they can be wrong and still keep their job.  I didn't start that and you know it.  It started when someone who is in that field got upset by my statement.

 

2) I never argued about anything with the SS jerseys.  I stated my opinion as well as others stated theirs.  I do not recall any arguement.

 

3) Retro Edge Devils jerseys are uncommon and hard to find, but they are not "rare."  Go to any jersey collecting forum and state that and you will get laughed off it right away.  Also, again, rare jerseys usually do not end up on a clearance rack for $150 at Hockey Monkey a year after they were released.

 

4) You don't care about league attendance, but yet every stupid game you post the attendance.  When I asked you why, you said it is just a hobby.  Can you see why what you do and what you say do not match?  If I recall, I wasn't the only one who saw this and agreed with me.

 

5) You are saying that what the other teams do is not important or matter yet every game you are in the OOT thread posting about what teams we need to win or lose and then post about how these other teams helped/screwed us that night.  Can you see how dumb that is?

 

 

Like shooting fish in a barrel when it comes to post whores.

 

1. Except you then kept on arguing with him about it for no reason.  You were still wrong about it.

 

2. Whatever.

 

3. "Uncommon", "hard to find", "rare", whatever you wanna call it.

 

4. I already explained that even if the Devils sellout every game, they will never be higher than middle of the pack regardless.  I care about how many people fill OUR building.  I don't care where we rank in relation to the rest of the league.  Every arena is different in terms of many variables.  They haven't come up with a system that eliminates those variables of seating capacity, standing room, etc.

 

5. I follow the standings, I pay attention to the standings, but I don't WORRY about the standings.  My whole point is that worrying about games-in-hand this early is silly. I already explained why.  I want every team that's around the Devils in the standings to lose, and that's what I do in the OOT thread.  That's it.  It's not even close to do with anything regarding the debate I'm having.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 03:40 PM

Lol you two just need to get a room already.
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Posted 05 February 2014 - 03:42 PM

1. Except you then kept on arguing with him about it for no reason.  You were still wrong about it.

 

2. Whatever.

 

3. "Uncommon", "hard to find", "rare", whatever you wanna call it.

 

4. I already explained that even if the Devils sellout every game, they will never be higher than middle of the pack regardless.  I care about how many people fill OUR building.  I don't care where we rank in relation to the rest of the league.  Every arena is different in terms of many variables.  They haven't come up with a system that eliminates those variables of seating capacity, standing room, etc.

 

5. I follow the standings, I pay attention to the standings, but I don't WORRY about the standings.  My whole point is that worrying about games-in-hand this early is silly. I already explained why.  I want every team that's around the Devils in the standings to lose, and that's what I do in the OOT thread.  That's it.  It's not even close to do with anything regarding the debate I'm having.

 

First you say I am splitting hairs about #3 and then you go ahead and split hairs with your explanation of #'s 4 and 5. 

 

As always you played both sides of the fence masterfully.  Bravo.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 03:43 PM

What...what are you even saying, at this point?  No, teams won't be giving any giving away points.. but how does that have any effect on the frequency of 3 point games?  3 point games will absolutely have a significant impact on how things play out..

I'm getting a headache, ugh

 

Fair point.

 

But it's impossible to predict the frequency of these games.  I will assure you most of the games will be decided in 60 minutes.  Right now roughly 30-35% of all games played have gone past 60 minutes if I had to guess.

 

What is certain is that these teams will be playing each other at some point.  My point still stands that the logjam will start to break away, or the point threshold for the playoffs will get lower.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 03:44 PM

What...what are you even saying, at this point?  No, teams won't be giving any giving away points.. but how does that have any effect on the frequency of 3 point games?  3 point games will absolutely have a significant impact on how things play out..

I'm getting a headache, ugh

 

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 03:47 PM

First you say I am splitting hairs about #3 and then you go ahead and split hairs with your explanation of #'s 4 and 5. 

 

Nope.  No splitting hairs at all on my part.

 

My point is you still unnecessarily call people out over the dumbest things.  You never admit when you're proven wrong.  And you continue to argue when you do get proven wrong.  Anyways, I'm done.  Ciao!


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