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#61 DH26

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 09:20 AM

I think the guys who PDB is probably most frustrated with are Brunner and Ryder.  Both are prone to LONG periods of scoring invisibility, and they don't do enough otherwise to disappear for as long as they do.  Can't expect Bernier to score much, really.   

 

re:  Loktionov, NJ is just finding out what LA already knew...that he's not some gem who didn't get a fair chance.  He's simply very meh.  Maybe he has a decent career in KHL.

 

Speaking of the KHL, Kovalchuk has been pretty good, but far from great, really:  44 GP, 16 G, 24 A, 40 Pts, +1, 9.6 shooting%.  Fine if he missed his homeland and decided that he didn't want to live in the US anymore, but I also think he knew he soon wasn't going to be anywhere near the player he had been earlier, and knew he'd be better off playing against lesser competition.  I only bring this up because I don't think Kovy as he is now would've have been as much of a help to this year's team as some might think (and I think Kovy knows it too). 

 

And Russia doesn't exactly have a bunch of Charas and McDonaghs running around back there, just look at who's on their olympic team on defense. Those stats are barely good enough for the NHL, much less the cruddy KHL. Kinda happy he's gone at this point


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 09:33 AM

And Russia doesn't exactly have a bunch of Charas and McDonaghs running around back there, just look at who's on their olympic team on defense. Those stats are barely good enough for the NHL, much less the cruddy KHL. Kinda happy he's gone at this point


40 points in 44 games is barely good enough for the NHL?

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 09:47 AM

Sadly, Kovy is exactly what this team is missing right now. That long contract, no. But definitely his ability to score. Then again, if we still have Kovy we probably don't have Jagr and/or Zidlicky
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Posted 05 February 2014 - 09:58 AM

Sadly, Kovy is exactly what this team is missing right now. That long contract, no. But definitely his ability to score. Then again, if we still have Kovy we probably don't have Jagr and/or Zidlicky

 

The reason I posted what I did is to show that if Kovy WAS here, he'd probably be part of the problem and not really much of a solution.  He's not Kovy anymore, and like I said, I think even Kovy knew it, and when the opportunity presented itself to go somewhere else where he could still make a lot of coin, he jumped at it.  He wasn't looking forward to scoring less than 30 goals per season and hearing about how bad his contract was here. 


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:04 AM

The reason I posted what I did is to show that if Kovy WAS here, he'd probably be part of the problem and not really much of a solution. He's not Kovy anymore, and like I said, I think even Kovy knew it, and when the opportunity presented itself to go somewhere else where he could still make a lot of coin, he jumped at it. He wasn't looking forward to scoring less than 30 goals per season and hearing about how bad his contract was here.

I hear you, I tend to think it was more of a perfect storm of things, including plenty of stuff I'm sure we don't even know about. The lockout, the injury, missing the playoffs, and an unimaginable contract. Kovy was a merc, there's no two ways around it but he was electrifying and this team misses his finishing ability in the short term for sure
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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:05 AM

Sadly, Kovy is exactly what this team is missing right now. That long contract, no. But definitely his ability to score. Then again, if we still have Kovy we probably don't have Jagr and/or Zidlicky

 

It's really not.  The power play has been fine (lucky, but fine) and he wasn't a good 5v5 scorer in any year here, really.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:09 AM

It's really not. The power play has been fine (lucky, but fine) and he wasn't a good 5v5 scorer in any year here, really.

You can't tell me with a straight face that a team with immense scoring trouble doesn't miss a 30-40 goal scorer
Not to mention becoming a plus player on the penalty kill, maybe the biggest threat on the pk out there in the history of the league that last year
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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:19 AM

You can't tell me with a straight face that a team with immense scoring trouble doesn't miss a 30-40 goal scorer
Not to mention becoming a plus player on the penalty kill, maybe the biggest threat on the pk out there in the history of the league that last year

 

I get what Tri is getting at, and he is probably right for the price the Devils were paying Kovy. Also with Kovy, the Devils don't have Jagr, so is there improvement?

 

Kovy with Jagr could make a good PP even better, but I don't think Kovy is helping this team much more than Jagr is this season..if at all.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:22 AM

Sadly, Kovy is exactly what this team is missing right now. That long contract, no. But definitely his ability to score. Then again, if we still have Kovy we probably don't have Jagr and/or Zidlicky

 

Exactly! And right now the teams around us have players that are lighting it up at the level that Kovalchuk used to be able to when he was hot. Rangers have 2-3 hot players in Nash and Richards playing elite level hockey and look at the run they're on. They can and will beat anybody and everybody on any given night. I think it's a temporary thing that'll dwindle after the Olympics, but still. We're not getting ANYthing, temporary or long-term, and that's on Lou and the roster he's put together.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:26 AM

I get what Tri is getting at, and he is probably right for the price the Devils were paying Kovy. Also with Kovy, the Devils don't have Jagr, so is there improvement?

 

Kovy with Jagr could make a good PP even better, but I don't think Kovy is helping this team much more than Jagr is this season..if at all.

 

I'd say with Kovy we definitely don't have the Clowe deal. I don't think the Clarkson departure gets "solved" by getting Clowe. It's possible Lou intended all along to go out and get Ryder and/or Jagr to two pretty good deal$$$ for New Jersey that allow Kovalchuk to shift back to LW. Maybe getting 1-2 RW to allow Kovy to shift LW was the plan all along. We have a gaping hole in LW which shows Lou never figured out what to do over there.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:29 AM

You can't tell me with a straight face that a team with immense scoring trouble doesn't miss a 30-40 goal scorer
Not to mention becoming a plus player on the penalty kill, maybe the biggest threat on the pk out there in the history of the league that last year

 

There's a salary cap.  Sure, if budget was absolutely no consideration, yeah I'd rather have Kovalchuk than Brunner.  But it is, and I've laid out the argument many times, but that Kovalchuk's 30+ goals were basically as not valuable as 30 goals can be.  I do agree that 4v5 is where they miss Kovalchuk the most.

 

And at $11M in salary and the assumption that our new owners are cognizant of the budget, take any 3 players NJ signed this off-season and boot them off the team.  And in that case, there's no way Kovalchuk is worth it.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:36 AM

There's a salary cap. Sure, if budget was absolutely no consideration, yeah I'd rather have Kovalchuk than Brunner. But it is, and I've laid out the argument many times, but that Kovalchuk's 30+ goals were basically as not valuable as 30 goals can be. I do agree that 4v5 is where they miss Kovalchuk the most.

And at $11M in salary and the assumption that our new owners are cognizant of the budget, take any 3 players NJ signed this off-season and boot them off the team. And in that case, there's no way Kovalchuk is worth it.


The second thing I said was "not that contract, though". I'm talking from a pure hockey standpoint as far as what they are missing on ice. Speed and scoring. I don't disagree with anything you just said
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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:46 AM

There's a salary cap.  Sure, if budget was absolutely no consideration, yeah I'd rather have Kovalchuk than Brunner.  But it is, and I've laid out the argument many times, but that Kovalchuk's 30+ goals were basically as not valuable as 30 goals can be.  I do agree that 4v5 is where they miss Kovalchuk the most.

 

And at $11M in salary and the assumption that our new owners are cognizant of the budget, take any 3 players NJ signed this off-season and boot them off the team.  And in that case, there's no way Kovalchuk is worth it.

4v5 they are fine. They boast the second best PK and have scored their fair share of shorthanded goals. I reckon the PP has improved too, but without looking at shot rates, it'd be impossible to know


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:56 AM

You can't tell me with a straight face that a team with immense scoring trouble doesn't miss a 30-40 goal scorer
Not to mention becoming a plus player on the penalty kill, maybe the biggest threat on the pk out there in the history of the league that last year

 

PK's been among the best in the league, at least from a pure kill standpoint.

 

Whether or not Kovy would've been a 30-40 goal scorer now and going forward is definitely questionable.  He scored 11 goals in 37 GP last season.  He's not lighting it up in the KHL this season.  His shooting %s in the NHL last season and the KHL this season are not great.  I agree, a lot of things led to his leaving, and we'll never know what they all were, but he comes off like he's a pretty sensitive guy, and one who knew it was going to get ugly around here when he could no longer live up to that deal.  One could argue that he could never truly live up to it, but less-than-30 goals Kovy would've been hard for a lot of Devils fans to take, especially with his shortcomings elsewhere. 


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 11:01 AM

PK's been among the best in the league, at least from a pure kill standpoint.

Whether or not Kovy would've been a 30-40 goal scorer now and going forward is definitely questionable. He scored 11 goals in 37 GP last season. He's not lighting it up in the KHL this season. His shooting %s in the NHL last season and the KHL this season are not great. I agree, a lot of things led to his leaving, and we'll never know what they all were, but he comes off like he's a pretty sensitive guy, and one who knew it was going to get ugly around here when he could no longer live up to that deal. One argue that he could never truly live up to it, but less-than-30 goals Kovy would've been hard for a lot of Devils fans to take, especially with his shortcomings elsewhere.

Yeah it is a relief to get out of that contract but I do miss the guy carrying the puck in the zone with speed and slamming on the breaks. This team is a lot easier to account for. Take the red, dump it in. From a coaching stand point it keeps teams off balance and mixes it up a little
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Posted 05 February 2014 - 11:19 AM

It's really not.  The power play has been fine (lucky, but fine) and he wasn't a good 5v5 scorer in any year here, really.

 

But what about offensive zone time generated? If Kovy were here, we'd at least be guaranteed a line that isnt over-cycling the puck to death. We'd have some variety in the attack...keeping the other team's D honest. Of course, this is not considering the whole contract factor.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 12:00 PM

You can't tell me with a straight face that a team with immense scoring trouble doesn't miss a 30-40 goal scorer
Not to mention becoming a plus player on the penalty kill, maybe the biggest threat on the pk out there in the history of the league that last year

 

Surprisingly they really don't miss Kovy this year.  At least not if you go by the premise that Jagr and Brunner aren't here if Kovy is.  Jagr was signed after Kovy left and clearly the best-case replacement at that point, and he's had a better season than two of Kovy's last three years.


Obviously it'd be peachy if we had Kovy WITH the current lineup but that wasn't really possible with the cap and the nine million defensemen Lou keeps hoarding.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 12:15 PM

Surprisingly they really don't miss Kovy this year.  At least not if you go by the premise that Jagr and Brunner aren't here if Kovy is.  Jagr was signed after Kovy left and clearly the best-case replacement at that point, and he's had a better season than two of Kovy's last three years.


Obviously it'd be peachy if we had Kovy WITH the current lineup but that wasn't really possible with the cap and the nine million defensemen Lou keeps hoarding.

 

I think I remember reading that Lou was going to go after Jagr, even if Kovy was still here. That wouldve been a nice little team for us


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 12:17 PM

Surprisingly they really don't miss Kovy this year.  At least not if you go by the premise that Jagr and Brunner aren't here if Kovy is.  Jagr was signed after Kovy left and clearly the best-case replacement at that point, and he's had a better season than two of Kovy's last three years.


Obviously it'd be peachy if we had Kovy WITH the current lineup but that wasn't really possible with the cap and the nine million defensemen Lou keeps hoarding.

 

I haven't done the cap math, but I think that Lou would have gone after Jagr if Kovy were still here (although obviously not Brunner).  If you recall, there were rumors last year that Lou wanted to trade for Jagr.  I recall it was reported in the same Czech source that said Jagr was going to sign with the Devils this past offseason.

 

The interesting issue is when Lou knew that Kovy was leaving, and if it was the reason he went after Clowe and/or Ryder. 


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 12:23 PM

Surprisingly they really don't miss Kovy this year.  At least not if you go by the premise that Jagr and Brunner aren't here if Kovy is.  Jagr was signed after Kovy left and clearly the best-case replacement at that point, and he's had a better season than two of Kovy's last three years.


Obviously it'd be peachy if we had Kovy WITH the current lineup but that wasn't really possible with the cap and the nine million defensemen Lou keeps hoarding.

 

Pick any 3 NJ defensemen.  Their salary matches or is less than Kovalchuk's salary this year.  


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