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#41 Jas0nMacIsaac

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 01:47 PM

By midseason next year I would like to see:

 

Ruutu-Zajac-Jagr

Matteau-Elias-Brunner

Clowe-Henrique-Boucher

Carter-Zubrus-Sislo

 

Before people say Matteau on the 2nd line!! Lines are just combinations of players who may fit. Matteau creates massive amounts of space for his linemates.


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 01:51 PM

By midseason next year I would like to see:

 

Ruutu-Zajac-Jagr

Matteau-Elias-Brunner

Clowe-Henrique-Boucher

Carter-Zubrus-Sislo

 

Before people say Matteau on the 2nd line!! Lines are just combinations of players who may fit. Matteau creates massive amounts of space for his linemates.

Forgot Stastny ;)

 

edit: I'm not naive enough to believe NJ is one player away from a contender but -

 

Ruutu - Zajac - Jagr

Henrique - Stastny - Ryder

Clowe - Elias - Boucher

Brunner - Zubrus - Matteau

 

- would be pretty damn good. Especially with 60 starts from Cory and one of Sal/Volch amnestied. 


Edited by Devils Pride 26, 16 March 2014 - 02:05 PM.

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#43 Jas0nMacIsaac

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 01:58 PM

Stastny would be nice, you could then use Henrique on the wing (which should be done.)


Edited by Jas0nMacIsaac, 16 March 2014 - 01:59 PM.

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 02:03 PM

By midseason next year I would like to see:

Ruutu-Zajac-Jagr
Matteau-Elias-Brunner
Clowe-Henrique-Boucher
Carter-Zubrus-Sislo

Before people say Matteau on the 2nd line!! Lines are just combinations of players who may fit. Matteau creates massive amounts of space for his linemates.


I agree with your comments but that is not a forward corps that's getting you into the playoffs.
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Posted 16 March 2014 - 02:06 PM

By midseason next year I would like to see:

 

Ruutu-Zajac-Jagr

Matteau-Elias-Brunner

Clowe-Henrique-Boucher

Carter-Zubrus-Sislo

 

Before people say Matteau on the 2nd line!! Lines are just combinations of players who may fit. Matteau creates massive amounts of space for his linemates.

 

Me too. That'll put them in contention for Connor McDavid.


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 02:07 PM

Stastny would be nice, you could then use Henrique on the wing (which should be done.)

Exactly. Agree 100%. We cannot go into the season with Henrique slotted as center. 


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 02:21 PM

Me too. That'll put them in contention for Connor McDavid.

hahaha Exactly.


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 02:22 PM

I agree with your comments but that is not a forward corps that's getting you into the playoffs.

Maybe maybe not. Gelinas and Merrill will be a year better, Larsson will be a massive upgrade on defense and the lineup up front is much much faster with Boucher, Sislo and Matteau. If Schneider plays 60 games next season NJ will have to be pretty bad to not be in the race.


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 03:03 PM

Yeah the defense corps is where the hope lies, obviously - the forwards aren't going to be great but they don't have to be.  I don't like your lines all that much Jason, Matteau might be able to make room but I don't know that he has the head for playing with Elias and Brunner, and certainly not in his 2nd full year in the pros.  


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 03:32 PM

Well, now they've got to win 3 in a row to get back on that 2-out-of-3 pace.  Not completely giving up yet, but 10-3-1 the rest of the way to get to 92 seems like it's too much to ask of this group. 

 

In past seasons, I have been the guy calling for optimism. However, we have to be rational here. We can't expect a team that has won 43% of its games this year to finish the season by winning 71% of its games. First off, our longest winning streak of the season is 3 games, which we managed to pull off once (though the streak was against the Pens, Ducks, and Kings) and we are talking November here. 

 

Our best stretch of play this year went from Oct. 26 to Nov. 21 in which we won 8/12 or 66.7% of our games (though it should be mentioned that we won 6 of 8 inside this stretch).

 

Our last winning streak of 3 games or more came from Feb. 3 to Feb 10 of last year (5 games). We had one other 3 game winning streak that season.

 

It's funny, Lou always seems to say he likes his teams publicly, but I think if someone handed him a detonator and said "Use this to blow up your team and start over", I think he'd do it in a heartbeat. He'd sift through the resulting rubble and keep some key guys for sure, but I think there's a good chunk of players he'd love to wash his hands of.  

 

Yes, because what's better than a one-legged Anton Volchenkov trying to block shots?

 

Maybe maybe not. Gelinas and Merrill will be a year better, Larsson will be a massive upgrade on defense and the lineup up front is much much faster with Boucher, Sislo and Matteau. If Schneider plays 60 games next season NJ will have to be pretty bad to not be in the race.

 

 

 

With Schneider's record this year, if he had played 60 games at this pace we'd be far from the playoffs. Not saying he isn't the guy, but that I don't really see what you're going on here in saying that this would all but guarantee us a playoff spot.


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 03:43 PM

In past seasons, I have been the guy calling for optimism. However, we have to be rational here. We can't expect a team that has won 43% of its games this year to finish the season by winning 71% of its games. First off, our longest winning streak of the season is 3 games, which we managed to pull off once (though the streak was against the Pens, Ducks, and Kings) and we are talking November here.

Our best stretch of play this year went from Oct. 26 to Nov. 21 in which we won 8/12 or 66.7% of our games (though it should be mentioned that we won 6 of 8 inside this stretch).

Our last winning streak of 3 games or more came from Feb. 3 to Feb 10 of last year (5 games). We had one other 3 game winning streak that season.


Yes, because what's better than a one-legged Anton Volchenkov trying to block shots?


With Schneider's record this year, if he had played 60 games at this pace we'd be far from the playoffs. Not saying he isn't the guy, but that I don't really see what you're going on here in saying that this would all but guarantee us a playoff spot.



The comment about Schneider playing 60 games is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. You're kidding, right? Yes, we'd be much worse if Schneider and his pre break .928 save percentage played 60 games.
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Posted 16 March 2014 - 04:41 PM

The comment about Schneider playing 60 games is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. You're kidding, right? Yes, we'd be much worse if Schneider and his pre break .928 save percentage played 60 games.

 

I'll ignore the insult and entertain the debate. Do you even understand the point I was making? Did you read the previous posts that mine relates to? I (clearly) was stating that with the roster that JMI proposed, we wouldn't be a lock to make the playoffs just because Schneider is starting. The point of me bringing up Cory's record this year is to point out that we can still lose even if we have a great goalie. 

 

Your point about his save percentage is actually the argument against Cory being good enough to carry us (oops) - as he only had those stats, as you say: 'pre-break' (unless you believe that only the games before Feb. matter?). Anyways, I am not making that argument and think Cory will be an all-star for us. However, JasonMac saying that his proposed roster will most likely be a playoff team as long as we play Cory 60 games makes no sense and is complete speculation.


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 04:44 PM

I'll ignore the insult and entertain the debate. Do you even understand the point I was making? Did you read the previous posts that mine relates to? I (clearly) was stating that with the roster that JMI proposed, we wouldn't be a lock to make the playoffs just because Schneider is starting. The point of me bringing up Cory's record this year is to point out that we can still lose even if we have a great goalie. 

 

Your point about his save percentage is actually the argument against Cory being good enough to carry us (oops) - as he only had those stats, as you say: 'pre-break' (unless you believe that only the games before Feb. matter?). Anyways, I am not making that argument and think Cory will be an all-star for us. However, JasonMac saying that his proposed roster will most likely be a playoff team as long as we play Cory 60 games makes no sense and is complete speculation.

Where did I say NJ would be a lock making the playoffs. I said they would most certainly be in the race. You probably shouldn't assume things.


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 04:52 PM

Where did I say NJ would be a lock making the playoffs. I said they would most certainly be in the race. You probably shouldn't assume things.

 

Okay, pardon me a "lock to be in the race" then. This changes zero. I respect your opinion but I don't see where you are connecting Schneider playing 60 games with us being 'in the race," even with that roster you proposed.

 

I am not saying we wouldn't be in the race, but the justification for your lineup should not be "if Schneider plays 60 games..." when clearly we can still lose with him in net.


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 05:14 PM

I'll ignore the insult and entertain the debate. Do you even understand the point I was making? Did you read the previous posts that mine relates to? I (clearly) was stating that with the roster that JMI proposed, we wouldn't be a lock to make the playoffs just because Schneider is starting. The point of me bringing up Cory's record this year is to point out that we can still lose even if we have a great goalie. 

 

Your point about his save percentage is actually the argument against Cory being good enough to carry us (oops) - as he only had those stats, as you say: 'pre-break' (unless you believe that only the games before Feb. matter?). Anyways, I am not making that argument and think Cory will be an all-star for us. However, JasonMac saying that his proposed roster will most likely be a playoff team as long as we play Cory 60 games makes no sense and is complete speculation.

Outside of the last two games where Cory got lit up, he's been dominant. If we get goaltending like that, lean on more of our younger defense as they mature, cut the dead weight, and add a top six forward with the money we'll be able to, I think we'll be in the running for the playoffs. 

 

Hell, we are this year and just about everything that could go wrong has gone wrong. 


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 05:24 PM

Personally I would sign Schneider in the offseason long term, you are most likely to get him at his cheapest after a subpar season by his standards.


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 07:14 PM

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 08:21 PM

Outside of the last two games where Cory got lit up, he's been dominant. If we get goaltending like that, lean on more of our younger defense as they mature, cut the dead weight, and add a top six forward with the money we'll be able to, I think we'll be in the running for the playoffs. 

 

Hell, we are this year and just about everything that could go wrong has gone wrong. 

 

I ABSOLUTELY agree with you. But even with Cory playing like a top 5 goalie, he still has a losing record - if you map that out to 60 games, the Devils would be well under .500. My point is NOT that the losses are Cory's fault, but that if we don't make other upgrades, then Cory alone will not necessarily be enough to make us competitive. 

 

Personally I would sign Schneider in the offseason long term, you are most likely to get him at his cheapest after a subpar season by his standards.

 

+1. This is the first time I have seen this point made on the board, and quite honestly, it's a damn good one.


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 08:53 PM

Except why would Schneider sign an extension when his value is at its lowest? Then you have to take into account all of the BS we put him through with Marty and I dont think it's very likely we get a deal done this off season.


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 09:07 PM

Except why would Schneider sign an extension when his value is at its lowest? Then you have to take into account all of the BS we put him through with Marty and I dont think it's very likely we get a deal done this off season.

 

If the Devils shade his pay upwards from where it 'deserves' to be based on this season.  Say you're Schneider and you're offered 8 years at 6.5M.  Yeah, you could pass, and go for a bigger offer from NJ or a 7 year offer elsewhere, but is the risk really worth the reward?  The Canadian dollar is falling and the salary cap isn't going up the way people expected (remember, the cap has to fight against the revenue split drop - even w/ all the outdoor games and so forth it's still a climb).  Then you've got the simple fact that most teams have a goalie and are pretty satisfied with their guy, so it's not like a top center where you've got 15 possible destinations.  

 

The cap on years really makes this sort of negotiation much simpler than it used to be.


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