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Posted 11 February 2014 - 02:49 PM

I don't think Lou deserves any of the blame for guys leaving. Kovalchuk-Parise was Vanderbeek pulling the strings.

 

It almost resulted in a cup, but it was a boom or bust move. If Lou was in control 100% of the way, Kovy walks, Parise signed long term. Maybe Lou knew of Kovy's flirtation with Russia beforehand (I suspect he did) and did his best to talk Vanderbeek out of it. Once Kovy was signed Parise was a goner. And then Kovy was a goner

 

Clarkson. Thank god we're not paying him

 

Rafalski. Wanted to go home. 

 

Niedermayer. Really wanted to play with his brother. Left money on the table. Can't fault Lou there

 

Gomez? Eh, not worth it. Decent 1st year with the Rags. Steady career free fall since then.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:00 PM

While I don't blame Lou for some of these guys leaving, I feel there could be a better way of finding out their intentions before they hit free agency so we don't lose them for nothing. 


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:29 PM

While I don't blame Lou for some of these guys leaving, I feel there could be a better way of finding out their intentions before they hit free agency so we don't lose them for nothing. 

 

Their intentions don't really matter if you are looking at a playoff run. In almost every one of those seasons, the playoffs were a definite or at least a possibility.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:50 PM

Their intentions don't really matter if you are looking at a playoff run. In almost every one of those seasons, the playoffs were a definite or at least a possibility.

exactly, the same reason why the devils are considered one of the most successful franchises the past quarter century (making the playoffs consistently) is what people are complaining about now. Selling guys like Gomez parise and niedermeyer in their walk years would have been terrible for the team each of those years, even if Lou knew it was guaranteed they would not return I'm glad he held on and went for it. I don't want to be a team always looking toward the future- id rather take a shot when we have it.
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Posted 11 February 2014 - 06:09 PM

Their intentions don't really matter if you are looking at a playoff run. In almost every one of those seasons, the playoffs were a definite or at least a possibility.


In the case with Parise, IMO it was pretty obvious what his intentions were when he signed a 1 year deal as an RFA. Who knows what he was telling Lou the whole time but I still think Lou could have gotten some nice pieces from Minnesota if he traded him at the beginning of the season (long before they even knew they were gonna make the playoffs) and they still could have made the same impact in the playoffs that year.
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Posted 11 February 2014 - 06:20 PM

In the case with Parise, IMO it was pretty obvious what his intentions were when he signed a 1 year deal as an RFA. Who knows what he was telling Lou the whole time but I still think Lou could have gotten some nice pieces from Minnesota if he traded him at the beginning of the season (long before they even knew they were gonna make the playoffs) and they still could have made the same impact in the playoffs that year.

 

Why would Minnesota trade assets for him when they could just sign him at the end of the season without giving up ANY pieces?  At any rate, we've seen that the returns on these deals usually don't tend to be anything near what fans hope for.

 

It's pretty obvious what his intentions were in jilted-fan hindsight.  At the time, Lou did say they were hoping to get something done at a later date.  You or anyone else has no idea what they would've done in the 2011-12 regular season and playoffs w/o Parise.    


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 06:39 PM

I still can't believe people wanted to trade Parise.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 07:13 PM

I still can't believe people wanted to trade Parise.


Agreed. It's not like there was NO chance, or he would have walked before signing the one year deal. That deal makes me feel he was conflicted about going into free agency.
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Posted 11 February 2014 - 07:44 PM

Agreed. It's not like there was NO chance, or he would have walked before signing the one year deal. That deal makes me feel he was conflicted about going into free agency.


I think he was very conflicted. It came down to the Devils and Minnesota in the end even with Minny saying they'd sign Suter too. Supposedly he turned down Detroit and Pittsburgh, but who knows about that part.
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Posted 11 February 2014 - 08:32 PM

exactly, the same reason why the devils are considered one of the most successful franchises the past quarter century (making the playoffs consistently) is what people are complaining about now. Selling guys like Gomez parise and niedermeyer in their walk years would have been terrible for the team each of those years, even if Lou knew it was guaranteed they would not return I'm glad he held on and went for it. I don't want to be a team always looking toward the future- id rather take a shot when we have it.

 

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I would much rather go into the postseason with the best possible roster.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 08:49 PM

Why would Minnesota trade assets for him when they could just sign him at the end of the season without giving up ANY pieces?  At any rate, we've seen that the returns on these deals usually don't tend to be anything near what fans hope for.
 
It's pretty obvious what his intentions were in jilted-fan hindsight.  At the time, Lou did say they were hoping to get something done at a later date.  You or anyone else has no idea what they would've done in the 2011-12 regular season and playoffs w/o Parise.


When Zach signed the one year deal he was an RFA. If Lou traded him as an RFA Minnesota would have given up a lot. I actually still like Zach and I'm not upset he wanted to leave anymore but I still think losing him as an asset hurt the franchise (to whatever degree you choose). Its all speculation as to what we would have gotten in return for him and to how the devils would have been that year (I personally believe the devils still would have at least made the playoffs without him that year. Maybe even the cup run).

I feel like Lou likes to let players hit free agency to let them choose the Devils (prove their loyalty), but I'm not convinced that method works anymore. There's too much money on the line for these players. He has to try to lock them up as soon as he's able too. It's not like nj is a big attraction for free agents.

Of course it's easy for any of us to armchair quarterback from home, I just don't always agree with some of the things he does. Can't keep losing free agents for nothing.
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Posted 11 February 2014 - 10:32 PM

When Zach signed the one year deal he was an RFA. If Lou traded him as an RFA Minnesota would have given up a lot. I actually still like Zach and I'm not upset he wanted to leave anymore but I still think losing him as an asset hurt the franchise (to whatever degree you choose). Its all speculation as to what we would have gotten in return for him and to how the devils would have been that year (I personally believe the devils still would have at least made the playoffs without him that year. Maybe even the cup run).

I feel like Lou likes to let players hit free agency to let them choose the Devils (prove their loyalty), but I'm not convinced that method works anymore. There's too much money on the line for these players. He has to try to lock them up as soon as he's able too. It's not like nj is a big attraction for free agents.

Of course it's easy for any of us to armchair quarterback from home, I just don't always agree with some of the things he does. Can't keep losing free agents for nothing.

 

Just like he did with Travis Zajac - we miss him a lot now.

 

Why would Minnesota have given up 'a lot' for Parise when they could just sign him the next year anyway?  It wasn't like their team was going anywhere at the time.  Anyway I'm not sure that Lou didn't try to deal Parise - remember that draft was in Minnesota and Lou asked Zach to attend - but you're just not likely to get things that help you in the near-term.  With guys like Elias and Brodeur nearing the end and Kovalchuk a ticking time bomb, it doesn't make much sense to deal Parise for future considerations.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 11:36 PM

When Zach signed the one year deal he was an RFA. If Lou traded him as an RFA Minnesota would have given up a lot. I actually still like Zach and I'm not upset he wanted to leave anymore but I still think losing him as an asset hurt the franchise (to whatever degree you choose). Its all speculation as to what we would have gotten in return for him and to how the devils would have been that year (I personally believe the devils still would have at least made the playoffs without him that year. Maybe even the cup run).

I feel like Lou likes to let players hit free agency to let them choose the Devils (prove their loyalty), but I'm not convinced that method works anymore. There's too much money on the line for these players. He has to try to lock them up as soon as he's able too. It's not like nj is a big attraction for free agents.

Of course it's easy for any of us to armchair quarterback from home, I just don't always agree with some of the things he does. Can't keep losing free agents for nothing.


The final word on this is that if the current CBA were in place at the start of the 2011-2012 season, Zach would either still be a Devil or he would have been traded. It's the same reason that Zajac is still on the Devils, or that he would have been traded to Winnipeg.


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 12:30 PM

Just like he did with Travis Zajac - we miss him a lot now.

 

Why would Minnesota have given up 'a lot' for Parise when they could just sign him the next year anyway?  It wasn't like their team was going anywhere at the time.  Anyway I'm not sure that Lou didn't try to deal Parise - remember that draft was in Minnesota and Lou asked Zach to attend - but you're just not likely to get things that help you in the near-term.  With guys like Elias and Brodeur nearing the end and Kovalchuk a ticking time bomb, it doesn't make much sense to deal Parise for future considerations.

 

I meant that if Lou had tried to trade Zach as an RFA instead of signing him to that one year deal I believe Minnesota would have given up a lot. Still believe that. The owners wanted Zach and Ryan badly. I even remember them saying that Zach would be able to buy the franchise when he retires if wants to right before the deal was signed. 

 

I think Lou signing Zajac during the season and while he was still an RFA was reactionary to what happened with Zach. But then he let Clarkson walk for nothing. In Clarkson's situation though, I don't think Clarkson had much trade value and I think Lou knew someone else was going to pay way too much for him. 


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 01:00 PM

I wonder if we would have tried to make a move for Suter if we could have kept Zach happy. 


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 01:03 PM

I wonder if we would have tried to make a move for Suter if we could have kept Zach happy.


Evidently Zach brought up the idea of Suter signing with the Devils, but he shot down the idea.


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 01:10 PM

I wonder if we would have tried to make a move for Suter if we could have kept Zach happy. 

 

Yeah I remember hearing from a pretty good source (McKenzie maybe) that Suter absolutely refused to leave his ranch out west behind.

 

So, being the good obedient puppy he was, Zach went to him instead  :giggle:


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 02:22 PM

I hope they are happy together. 

 

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 02:23 PM

Kills me to think where this team would be with Parise and Suter here


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 02:26 PM

Derek Jeter just announced that he will be retiring after the 2014 season. I wish so much that Marty had the foresight to do this before this season started. I know his reasoning was that he didn't want it to be a distraction and he wanted to see how he'd feel when the season was over, but I think it would have been so much easier for everyone involved if that had been the case.

 

I know it doesn't really offer anything because reality is what it is. It's just the first thing that came to mind when I read that announcement.


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