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#1 msweet

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 04:12 PM

This one won’t be given a stunningly singular place on the international geopolitical stage like the one in 1980 in New York State.

This one merely provides the platform for one-time Devils teammates and linchpins Zach Parise and Ilya Kovalchuk to appear on the same sheet of ice for the first time since Game 6 of the 2012 Stanley Cup Final in Los Angeles, before each fled New Jersey to go home again; Captain America Parise to Minnesota and Russian winger Kovalchuk to the KHL.

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 06:08 PM

Who needs Parise / Kovalchuk when we have Henrique / Zajac / and Joe Whitney... :giggle:


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 07:11 PM

I'm waiting for Brooks' next article "Why Germany Can Never Avenge World War II"


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 07:29 PM

Funny, Don Cherry believes Russians are still obsessed with avenging the 1972 summit series against Canada.

 

http://www.torontosu...-against-canada

 

There's a lot of bitter Russians according to North American commentators.


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Posted 15 February 2014 - 03:35 AM

Yeah, players who weren't even born care a lot about getting revenge for those games. /sarcasm


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Posted 15 February 2014 - 02:39 PM

"I am Enigo Montoyavich, you beat my country, prepare to die!"


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Posted 15 February 2014 - 03:12 PM

Once again brooks is writing for writings sake- what does Russia need to avenge? Since 1980 they've won 3 golds, a silver and a bronze. The US in that same time only has two silvers... Am I missing something here?

I think the pressure is on the Russian team simply because they're the host, but I don't really think any Russians are thinking about 1980 at all.
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Posted 15 February 2014 - 03:29 PM

This is one hell of a skilled Russian team.

They're not as deep as Canada imo, but a skilled team nonetheless

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 07:23 PM

This is one hell of a skilled Russian team.

They're not as deep as Canada imo, but a skilled team nonetheless

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 07:26 PM

Russia has the 3 best shooters in the world imo.  I'm still not sold on their defense though.


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Posted 15 February 2014 - 08:25 PM

Shouldn't the Finnish be wanting vengeance since they lost the Gold Medal game?


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Posted 15 February 2014 - 08:30 PM

Shouldn't the Finnish be wanting vengeance since they lost the Gold Medal game?

 

The game against Finland itself wasn't the "gold medal game".  While it was the clinching game for the US, I do believe it was still possible for the US to win gold even if they had lost.  It was also possible for them to end up with no medal had they lost.


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 12:09 PM

The game against Finland itself wasn't the "gold medal game". While it was the clinching game for the US, I do believe it was still possible for the US to win gold even if they had lost. It was also possible for them to end up with no medal had they lost.


This is correct, although no one ever mentions this. The tournament format called for pool play in the medal round, not single elimination. In the medal rounds The top two teams in each group played each of the top two teams in the other group. Points from opening round groupings carried over. Soviet game was not a semifinal and the Finland game was not a final. In fact, Finland didn't even medal. The soviets got silver and Sweden bronze
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Posted 17 February 2014 - 08:24 AM

This is correct, although no one ever mentions this. The tournament format called for pool play in the medal round, not single elimination. In the medal rounds The top two teams in each group played each of the top two teams in the other group. Points from opening round groupings carried over. Soviet game was not a semifinal and the Finland game was not a final. In fact, Finland didn't even medal. The soviets got silver and Sweden bronze

 

It is funny...if asked, I think a lot of people would tell you that the US beat the USSR to take the gold, while some others would tell you that the US beat Finland to take the gold (thinking that the US-Finland game was the gold medal game).  The tournament format used in the '80 Olympics is a little complicated if one isn't familiar with it, but it does make some sense (though that part of the story...how exactly the US earned their goal medals...has been largely forgotten or overlooked by many). 


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 08:43 AM

It is funny...if asked, I think a lot of people would tell you that the US beat the USSR to take the gold, while some others would tell you that the US beat Finland to take the gold (thinking that the US-Finland game was the gold medal game). The tournament format used in the '80 Olympics is a little complicated if one isn't familiar with it, but it does make some sense (though that part of the story...how exactly the US earned their goal medals...has been largely forgotten or overlooked by many).

while this is true, isn't it also true that the US had to win both games in order to win gold... I know it wasn't necessarily a gold medal game, but going into the soviet game we knew we had to win the next two to take gold. Otherwise I think the soviets still could have won if the US lost to Finland.

Or maybe my math is off...

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 09:01 AM

Next month's Brooks article: "Why Devils can never avenge 'The Guarantee'"


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 09:06 AM

Next month's Brooks article: "Why Devils can never avenge 'The Guarantee'"

 

Nah, Neverson will come out of retirement to write that one, then promptly re-retire. 


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 09:16 AM

Nah, Neverson will come out of retirement to write that one, then promptly re-retire. 

 

Haha that's right!  Wrong guy.

 

Idk it seems Brooks has been going soft on the Devils lately though.  However, Neverson was at times just outright brutal and I don't think Brooks ever reached that level.


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 10:26 AM

To be honest, the past week I've felt the way an honest Rangers fan must feel with the constant harping over the 1994 Stanley Cup. The way the nationwide media are framing this team (and the USA-Russia matchup) in constant reference to the "Miracle" team just reminds me (an honest-to-myself hockey fan) that our American Olympic teams haven't really accomplished all that much in a really really long time. 

 

A couple silvers since then is nothing to write home about. We have a very mediocre history on the world stage when you really step back and look at it. Constantly referencing 1980 just reminds me that this year is gold or bust, I don't think they should be aiming for anything less, considering all the hype we give our national team.

 

 

Once again brooks is writing for writings sake- what does Russia need to avenge? Since 1980 they've won 3 golds, a silver and a bronze. The US in that same time only has two silvers... Am I missing something here?

 

Rangers logic.


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 10:38 AM

To be honest, the past week I've felt the way an honest Rangers fan must feel with the constant harping over the 1994 Stanley Cup. The way the nationwide media are framing this team (and the USA-Russia matchup) in constant reference to the "Miracle" team just reminds me (an honest-to-myself hockey fan) that our American Olympic teams haven't really accomplished all that much in a really really long time.

A couple silvers since then is nothing to write home about. We have a very mediocre history on the world stage when you really step back and look at it. Constantly referencing 1980 just reminds me that this year is gold or bust, I don't think they should be aiming for anything less, considering all the hype we give our national team.


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