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#121 SterioDesign

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 09:10 PM

Besides Kovalchuck, who else that's huge are we losing?  We're only losing Jagr, but the team is lucky that he is producing at the rate he has up to this point.  It's a matter of turning this forward corps into a productive unit because if you look at the forwards we have signed past the end of this year, its not likely that they are moving, particularly Clowe, Brunner, Ryder.  All the team can do from here is try to draft and develop some young forwards.  You can count on maybe one forward free agent or less next offseason.  Don't expect anything like last summer.  

 

what i mean is that since our cup run, we lost quite a bit of our scoring. We won a LOT of close games that year to even make it in the playoffs still and we got Zach, Kovy, Sykora and Clarkson's production gone. Replaced it by Jagr, Ryder, Clowe, ryder... Elias production is going down too and a few other guys are aging like Zubby. 

 

and i mean if we really look into it... we need to ADD production, and year after year were just barely replacing what's leaving/dropping... so the lack is still there and i simply dont see how we'll recover in the long run


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 09:12 PM

It made it to CBS, and started from twitter and HF.

That thought crossed my mind, and while it could certainly be a possibility, if they were looking for it to get more attention, wouldn't they leak it to LeBrun, Radek, McKenzie etc.? I haven't really heard this Boomer rumor discussed outside of this forum, have you?


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 12:24 AM

According to Dreger, it's a 99% certainty Callahan will be traded.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 02:54 AM

 99% certainty 

 

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 06:32 AM

According to Dreger, it's a 99% certainty Callahan will be traded.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 08:47 AM

According to Dreger, it's a 99% certainty Callahan will be traded.

 

well well well how could this happen! You clearly said that NO GM IN THE WORLD would trade their best player/captain when they are in a race for the playoffs.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 08:53 AM

well well well how could this happen! You clearly said that NO GM IN THE WORLD would trade their best player/captain when they are in a race for the playoffs.

sather spoke with Callahan and realized that he is almost certainly too pricey for the rangers next season. If Callahan gets traded, it's because he 100% won't be re-signing. When Lou kept zach, that offseason he made him a competitive offer that might very well have kept him here if not for suter. I don't see the comparison here at all.
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Posted 26 February 2014 - 09:14 AM

sather spoke with Callahan and realized that he is almost certainly too pricey for the rangers next season. If Callahan gets traded, it's because he 100% won't be re-signing. When Lou kept zach, that offseason he made him a competitive offer that might very well have kept him here if not for suter. I don't see the comparison here at all.

 

lol you don't see a comparison? I dont even see me bringing up Zach or any names or any comparisons at all. Putting words in my mouth again?

 

edit: just for fun, since you brought it up now. How 'bout clarkson? At the price he wanted and the fact that Lou gave up on him even before the deadline he was 100% not resigning too, but Lou waiting after it was too late fvcked our chances to get a return.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 09:45 AM

Maybe Lou was blindsided by the ridiculous offer clarky got. Everyone here knows hes not even worth 70percent of it.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 09:46 AM

lol you don't see a comparison? I dont even see me bringing up Zach or any names or any comparisons at all. Putting words in my mouth again?

 

edit: just for fun, since you brought it up now. How 'bout clarkson? At the price he wanted and the fact that Lou gave up on him even before the deadline he was 100% not resigning too, but Lou waiting after it was too late fvcked our chances to get a return.

 

It was heavily implied though.

 

Regardless, Sather could trade Callahan at the deadline and it can blow up in his face.  We don't know yet.  In 2012 Lou saw that we were firmly in the playoffs and probably figured that what he had now was better than any return he could get.  He took a little bit of a gamble and it did pay off a bit.  I mean we made the finals that year when no one, even most Devils fans, expect ourselves too and we beat 2 of our biggest rivals on the way.  That alone is worth losing him.

 

Plus again Minnesota can have that and Suter's ridiculous contracts.  I'm glad we don't have any like that now that Kovy "retired"


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:11 AM

lol you don't see a comparison? I dont even see me bringing up Zach or any names or any comparisons at all. Putting words in my mouth again?

 

edit: just for fun, since you brought it up now. How 'bout clarkson? At the price he wanted and the fact that Lou gave up on him even before the deadline he was 100% not resigning too, but Lou waiting after it was too late fvcked our chances to get a return.

 

You just cannot WAIT for chances to snivel about Lou's MO (I think EVERYONE here has gotten your point by now). 

 

As far as Clarkson goes, Lou rolled the dice and lost...that can and will sometimes happen, and all of the hindsight bitching, moaning, and should'ves won't change that.  GMs sometimes take chances and they don't all pay off, which opens them up to being criticized and second-guessed.  At the time, the Devils didn't have much in the way of goal-scoring, and Clarkson's recent track record, right or wrong, had suggested that he could score.  Unforunately we're seeing more and more that the 30 goals he scored in 2011-12 and the 10 goals he scored in 14 GP to start the 2013 season were flukey and probably won't ever happen again...basically, the "slump" Lou was probably hoping Clarkson would eventually break out of isn't a slump as much as it was Clarkson turning back into Clarkson again (almost overnight).  Just glad it's the Maple Leafs that are learning it the hard way. 

 

Devils had come within two games of winning a SC the season before and Lou likely thought they could at least pull it together enough to get into the playoffs, and thought guys like Clarkson would give the Devils the best chance to make that happen...he chose the present instead of the future.  Sadly, it didn't work out.            


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:16 AM

well well well how could this happen! You clearly said that NO GM IN THE WORLD would trade their best player/captain when they are in a race for the playoffs.


Well they have a chance to get a better player as his replacement. If we could have gotten MSL for Parise in 2012, I would have done it too.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:16 AM

lol you don't see a comparison? I dont even see me bringing up Zach or any names or any comparisons at all. Putting words in my mouth again?

edit: just for fun, since you brought it up now. How 'bout clarkson? At the price he wanted and the fact that Lou gave up on him even before the deadline he was 100% not resigning too, but Lou waiting after it was too late fvcked our chances to get a return.

I apologize if you think I was putting words in your mouth, but if you weren't talking about parise the who were you referring to? What other captain have we've had in his walk year during a playoff run? What other captain leaving via ufa after a playoff run has been debated on here by you ad nauseum? If it isn't zach, then what point are you trying to make on a devils board by arguing whether or not gms trade a their captain during a playoff run? No, I don't think I put words in you mouth, I think you've been putting them there yourself for the past year and a half.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:20 AM

You just cannot WAIT for chances to snivel about Lou's MO (I think EVERYONE here has gotten your point by now). 

 

As far as Clarkson goes, Lou rolled the dice and lost...that can and will sometimes happen, and all of the hindsight bitching, moaning, and should'ves won't change that.  GMs sometimes take chances and they don't all pay off, which opens them up to being criticized and second-guessed.  At the time, the Devils didn't have much in the way of goal-scoring, and Clarkson's recent track record, right or wrong, had suggested that he could score.  Unforunately we're seeing more and more that the 30 goals he scored in 2011-12 and the 10 goals he scored in 14 GP to start the 2013 season were flukey and probably won't ever happen again...basically, the "slump" Lou was probably hoping Clarkson would eventually break out of isn't a slump as much as it was Clarkson turning back into Clarkson again (almost overnight).  Just glad it's the Maple Leafs that are learning it the hard way. 

 

Devils had come within two games of winning a SC the season before and Lou likely thought they could at least pull it together enough to get into the playoffs, and thought guys like Clarkson would give the Devils the best chance to make that happen...he chose the present instead of the future.  Sadly, it didn't work out.            

 

We also have no idea if Lou actually looked into trading Clarkson and didn't get any offers that were worth much.  Maybe it was just from me watching him play on a nightly basis, but if I were another GM I would have maybe given up a third round pick for him.  At the deadline he probably had something like 11 goals and 18 points.  All of the Cup contenders that Lou might have presumably been able to make a trade with either had no use for him or  were able to get better players. 


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:22 AM

It was heavily implied though.

 

Regardless, Sather could trade Callahan at the deadline and it can blow up in his face.  We don't know yet.  In 2012 Lou saw that we were firmly in the playoffs and probably figured that what he had now was better than any return he could get.  He took a little bit of a gamble and it did pay off a bit.  I mean we made the finals that year when no one, even most Devils fans, expect ourselves too and we beat 2 of our biggest rivals on the way.  That alone is worth losing him.

 

Plus again Minnesota can have that and Suter's ridiculous contracts.  I'm glad we don't have any like that now that Kovy "retired"

 

Callahan is also making himself expendable, first by asking for too much money, and second by not really playing all that well for a guy who's supposed to be on a contract drive.  The sad thing is Lou thought the Devils needed Clarkson at the time (I can understand why, as I outlined in my previous post), and that whatever return he would get wouldn't help the 2013 product much.  If these St. Louis rumors are to be believed, the Rangers will be upgrading for this season, at the very least.  That's a big difference than trading someone for draft picks and/or prospects.   


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:29 AM

You just cannot WAIT for chances to snivel about Lou's MO (I think EVERYONE here has gotten your point by now). 

 

As far as Clarkson goes, Lou rolled the dice and lost...that can and will sometimes happen, and all of the hindsight bitching, moaning, and should'ves won't change that.  GMs sometimes take chances and they don't all pay off, which opens them up to being criticized and second-guessed.  At the time, the Devils didn't have much in the way of goal-scoring, and Clarkson's recent track record, right or wrong, had suggested that he could score.  Unforunately we're seeing more and more that the 30 goals he scored in 2011-12 and the 10 goals he scored in 14 GP to start the 2013 season were flukey and probably won't ever happen again...basically, the "slump" Lou was probably hoping Clarkson would eventually break out of isn't a slump as much as it was Clarkson turning back into Clarkson again (almost overnight).  Just glad it's the Maple Leafs that are learning it the hard way. 

 

Devils had come within two games of winning a SC the season before and Lou likely thought they could at least pull it together enough to get into the playoffs, and thought guys like Clarkson would give the Devils the best chance to make that happen...he chose the present instead of the future.  Sadly, it didn't work out.            

 

 and you just cannot WAIT for chances to snivel at me, cause really you dont miss a single chance

 

and no Lou didnt "roll the dice" he went with his black and white ways of NOT talking during the season. Thats not gambling, thats following a dumb way to do things and refusing to adapt to situations


I apologize if you think I was putting words in your mouth, but if you weren't talking about parise the who were you referring to? What other captain have we've had in his walk year during a playoff run? What other captain leaving via ufa after a playoff run has been debated on here by you ad nauseum? If it isn't zach, then what point are you trying to make on a devils board by arguing whether or not gms trade a their captain during a playoff run? No, I don't think I put words in you mouth, I think you've been putting them there yourself for the past year and a half.

 

I was referring to Brown wtv who said that the other day when people we're saying that maybe we should trade Jagr or wtv or assets. And that he was saying that no GM would trade players when they are in a race.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:45 AM

 and you just cannot WAIT for chances to snivel at me, cause really you dont miss a single chance

 

and no Lou didnt "roll the dice" he went with his black and white ways of NOT talking during the season. Thats not gambling, thats following a dumb way to do things and refusing to adapt to situations

 

Wrong, I've barely responded to anything you've posted lately, with the exception of you being a sore winner in the Olympic thread. 

 

I've already pointed out why I think Lou rolled the dice in 2013.  Assuming Lou did decide to subscribe to the SD way of GMing and chose to talk contract in-season, and Clarkson's demands were too much, knowing that Clarkson was probably not going to bring back anything that could help the Devils on 2013 (and probably nothing significant anyway) when Lou clearly didn't want to bail out on that season (like I said, I think Lou felt Clarkson could still help that team before it all went to sh!t), I don't think Lou necessarily throws his arms up and shrieks "OMG, I'd better trade this guy for a draft pick or two that might help us in three years before I lose him for nothing!"  Lou wasn't thinking about 2015 and beyond after getting to a Cup final in 2012.        


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:50 AM

Wrong, I've barely responded to anything you've posted lately, with the exception of you being a sore winner in the Olympic thread. 

 

I've already pointed out why I think Lou rolled the dice in 2013.  Assuming Lou did decide to subscribe to the SD way of GMing and chose to talk contract in-season, and Clarkson's demands were too much, knowing that Clarkson was probably not going to bring back anything that could help the Devils on 2013 (and probably nothing significant anyway) when Lou clearly didn't want to bail out on that season (like I said, I think Lou felt Clarkson could still help that team before it all went to sh!t), I don't think Lou necessarily throws his arms up and shrieks "OMG, I'd better trade this guy for a draft pick or two that might help us in three years before I lose him for nothing!"  Lou wasn't thinking about 2015 and beyond after getting to a Cup final in 2012.        

 

lol its not the SD way, its the every single GMs in the league except Lou way.

 

and again you're twisting what you want to believe to make Lou look good on that one as most of you does. Clarkson could have got a pretty good return at that time, absolutely. Not saying he's worth his contract but a player like that for the playoffs and at that time most teams still thought he was really a 30 goals scorer who could do it all. And based on the offers he got on free agency. Pretty damn sure we could have got anything better than NOTHING, and yeah. He was incredibly useful in the playoffs last year right?

 

and again, what you simply refuse to understand from what ive been saying for years. It's not about specifically what "happened" in those cases, cause every single cases are different and there's lots of shades and stuff we dont know. What i've been pointing out is that its absolutely dumb to refuse to give you that extra tool through negotiations to talk during the season. It's a really cocky, stubborn, "go big or go home" and black and white way to go and it can be pretty bad when he doesnt go your way and the benefits are not great or different either.

 

I dont CARE that his track record is good. I could decide that im not looking both ways before crossing the streets anymore and dont get hit for the first 3 years. Doesnt mean it's a smart thing to do.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:55 AM


I was referring to Brown wtv who said that the other day when people we're saying that maybe we should trade Jagr or wtv or assets. And that he was saying that no GM would trade players when they are in a race.

if that is truly the case that's fair but you specifically said captain, hence my assumption that you were talking about parise.wtv it not worth getting into.

So on your comparison of Callahan and jagr- I believe Lou will shop jagr just to see what he might be able to get, but I think (and Lou might think) that unless it's a slam dunk ie an nhl ready forward, it's better to hang onto him, play out the season, and maybe re-sign him for next year.

As opposed to Callahan, who clearly is not a ranger after this year and might be able to bring back an nhl ready player. I don't want a just first round pick for jagr, and by the looks of it Dolan doesn't want just a pick for Callahan.
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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:04 AM

if that is truly the case that's fair but you specifically said captain, hence my assumption that you were talking about parise.wtv it not worth getting into.

So on your comparison of Callahan and jagr- I believe Lou will shop jagr just to see what he might be able to get, but I think (and Lou might think) that unless it's a slam dunk ie an nhl ready forward, it's better to hang onto him, play out the season, and maybe re-sign him for next year.

As opposed to Callahan, who clearly is not a ranger after this year and might be able to bring back an nhl ready player. I don't want a just first round pick for jagr, and by the looks of it Dolan doesn't want just a pick for Callahan.

 

listen. I did not make any comparison at all. 

 

This is a case of a guy saying "You'll never see a pig fly you're an idiot for thinking it would ever happen" and then one day you see a pig fly and you take a picture and send it to that guy with a "Ha!"

 

That's all it was.


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