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#1181 Sneax

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:09 PM

this notion that the devils aren't physical enough is fvcking bullsh!t. what, do they think that they're missing clarkson's sandpaper from last year and that's the problem with this year's team? 

 

if by physical, they mean "borderline dirty", pests who go the extra mile to hit a guy after he made a pass "to let them know you're there", then get the fvck out of this league. that's just not what this league is about. 

 

the devils team that was aggressive and on detroit players a lot last night is the kind of "physical" that you need in the nhl now. henrique and zajac don't rock people, but they are doggedly agreesive checkers that get the puck turned over a lot. i'd much rather that than an "in your face" player that is good at face-washing a guy.

 

 

I think huge hits have a place, if you don't thats your opinion fine. But if you are a defensmen looking down collecting pucks behind your net and you start getting rocked, it's going to give you a pause. The kind of hits that clowe was throwing against San Jose are what we need a little bit more consistantly, we are def an aggressive/physical team when it comes to many aspects of the game. I don't think he's off the reservation thinking we need guys to throw some weight around and knock some bodies. There is nothing dirty about that either.


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#1182 Neb00rs

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:10 PM

Really? Really? The Canadiens got Vanek? Great pickup for them. fvck.


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#1183 Sneax

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:10 PM

Yes, it is silly. They are plenty physical for the type of style they play. How many of the same fvcking players do you want that do the same things? 

 

 

Again look at our hit counts most games, we don't hit alot.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:10 PM

the deals you brought up aren't what i'm talking about.

 

clowe's been acceptable but that deal is going to be a trainwreck and you know it.

the salvador contract - no defense for it (pun intended)

up against the cap in '07 because of bad roster construction

8 d-men

 

just not thinking about the whole picture. 

he doesn't do it every time, obviously. he just does it way too much for my liking.

 

 

 

 

Clowe might be a trainwreck in two years.  I can live with that.  And it's just as likely that he ends up on LTIR before he's a dumpster fire on the ice. If that's the case, nothing really lost.

 

Salvador's contract is not really the issue.  He gets paid what an average NHL defenseman gets, and could have been dealt pretty easily after last year, if the idea was to just get rid of him.  It's frustrating that Lou didn't pull the trigger on that, but again, Larsson just has not been great shakes thus far, and you can't count on him to be any sort of savior in the short term.   It's hard to accept the fact that a highly touted prospect doesn't really meet expectations.  It certainly has been for me. 


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:11 PM

 

OK -- see the thing is -- is Larsson really all that good?  i mean that's really the thing there.  He might just be a bust - because he sure was no great shakes in the NHL.  Our d all interchangeably sucks pretty much.  All kinds of potential - that's kind of coming to nothing anyhow -- so how can you screw up nothing?  Everything out there sucks just as much when seen through the Devils lens.  No one would have added to this team.  We need some BRAINS.  Where is that lazy sh!t Niedermayer when you need him?  fvckin' around out West -- as usual.

 
PK, Im usually with you, but before his injury Larsson was playing well... certainly he is better then Gelinas, who seems to be on the ice for almost every goal against. Larsson's upside is better than any dman the Devs have onthe ice, but he needs to be in NJ, not Albany, the Albany coach all but said he is too good to be here. LL has to take a hit for the way this team is built, that is his job, building the team, and when you have 9 dmen, and you cannot seem to move 1 at the deadline to get your D man w/ the biggest upside onthe ice in the NHL, then you screwed up.

Maybe Larssson will never become the player I envision, but I kow for a fact either will Fayne, Harrold, Vol or Sal. And you can add gelinas to that list as well, although I completely understand why he is here and how important that shot is...
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:11 PM

And what happens next year when we re-sign Zidlicky, re-sign Fayne and don't buy out Sal or Volch?  Lou hasn't shown any inclination ever to alleviate the logjam and after his admission that last year having eight was a distraction, it's worse now.

 

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:13 PM

Admit it, you type that to get a reaction. Because if you are serious, that is absolutely silly.

 

No I did not type that to get a reaction.  But seriously who besides Clowe do we have that's physical?  Bernier?  I'm not saying our forwards are soft.  What I am saying is that we don't have forwards who initiate physicality.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:14 PM

Is it really silly? Do you see the hit counts in our games? We don't hit alot. We battle for pucks, so sure were physical in that regard, but we don't really beat up on the other team enough. I for once agree with mike in a sense. We aren't a very physical team.

I agree with both points.  Our hit counts are usually low, I too have noticed that, but I am not sure why.  We have plenty of big guys like Zubrus, Jagr, Zajac.  Granted they were playing on a line together for a while lol, but even Clowe likes to hit, and of course our trio of 4th line grinders in Bernier/Gionta/Carter should be hitting some, so I am not sure why the numbers are low.  It has to be the system/style the coaches are preaching.  


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:15 PM

Again look at our hit counts most games, we don't hit alot.

 

Hit counts are like shot counts. Unless you're counting them personally, do you trust them 100%? From my seats, they hit enough that reflects their style of play. Do you want them slamming every opposiite color jersey every shift like madmen? There's hard, smart fore checking and there is running around all over the place. Physical play is not an issue with this team. 


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:16 PM

I kind of like it. This sounds like the same reaction the Zidlicky trade got two years ago.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:17 PM

People LOVED the Zidlicky trade...we needed a PP QB in the worst way.  


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:17 PM

Hit counts are like shot counts. Unless you're counting them personally, do you trust them 100%? From my seats, they hit enough that reflects their style of play. Do you want them slamming every opposiite color jersey every shift like madmen? There's hard, smart fore checking and there is running around all over the place. Physical play is not an issue with this team. 

 

Apparently, some posters want the forward unit to consist of 6 scorers and 6 Cam Janssens.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:18 PM

We'll cross that bridge when we get there. 

 

WE ARE THERE lol we've had a ridiculous logjam for years now


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:18 PM

I'm looking forward to seeing Motormouth Marty's first interview....


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:18 PM

A)  I lied about being done.  Sue me.

 

B)  I love when new posters come on here with a holier-than-thou attitude.  This is a hockey forum - are we not supposed to speak our minds?  fvck off with that nonsense.  You're not contributing anything that hasn't already been said.

 

That quote about 2008 is scary.

I'm going to assume that's directed at me.  I'm not coming in here with a holier than thou attitude, and certainly not saying you can't voice your opinion -- obviously, yes, that is the point of a forum -- I just can't believe the number of people acting like the freaking apocalypse is coming just because a few guys didn't get moved, and because we basically executed a one-for-one swap, losing a guy who has contributed 12 more points this year than I have.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:18 PM

Hit counts are like shot counts. Unless you're counting them personally, do you trust them 100%? From my seats, they hit enough that reflects their style of play. Do you want them slamming every opposiite color jersey every shift like madmen? There's hard, smart fore checking and there is running around all over the place. Physical play is not an issue with this team. 

 

I think we never match the other team in terms of aggression in that sense, we are typically always lower than the other team sure the counts could be off slightly but we always are behind on the hits department. There is a place for hits, you fvck up skill players and it will make them think twice eventually about doing certain things.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:18 PM

Ruutu has 9 goals and 16 assists in his last 74 games and is 31. I don't think this is the player they needed. Loktionov has 12 goals and 12 assists in his last 76 games and despite his defensive issues, was one of the best passers on the team and excellent in zone exits. Someone who tracked zone entries in 18 Devils games this year also noted that Loktionov was one of the better Devils at carrying the puck in. I don't see why it would've been bad to just keep Loktionov and let him walk at the end of the year instead of taking on a bad contract of a player on the wrong side of 30. 

 

I would be perfectly fine with keeping Loktionov.  But at worst, Ruutu is as good offensively as Loktionov.  Where Ruutu is better than Loktionov is physicality and defense.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:20 PM

Not sure I'd rather have Halak than Neuvirth. Neuvirth I get for an extra year and for less money. If I do want to resign him he is also 3 years younger.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:20 PM

Hit counts are like shot counts. Unless you're counting them personally, do you trust them 100%? From my seats, they hit enough that reflects their style of play. Do you want them slamming every opposiite color jersey every shift like madmen? There's hard, smart fore checking and there is running around all over the place. Physical play is not an issue with this team. 

Since I vastly disagreed with your statement before, I'll give some credit on this one.  I don't find hitting to be a particular problem either -- our time of possession and controlling the puck along the boards and behind the net has been satisfactory or above average in my book.  I actually prefer the old school style of hitting anyway, which dictates that the D-men do most of it and actually stand guys up at the blue line (a la our beloved Stevens).  I would hate Salvador a lot less if he would do that, and he has the body frame to do so, which is puzzling why he doesn't.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:21 PM

Apparently, some posters want the forward unit to consist of 6 scorers and 6 Cam Janssens.

Nice smart ass, clearly I said everyone in the top 6 should be running around checking guys. But guess what we play teams like fvcking pittsburg and can be behind in hits. If a team with that top end talent throws their weight around so can we.

 

 

We do lack a certain physicallity right now, and if you wanna be olbivious to that or say its not needed fine, but don't be fvcking twats lashing out at people that think it's an important thing to have.


Since I vastly disagreed with your statement before, I'll give some credit on this one.  I don't find hitting to be a particular problem either -- our time of possession and controlling the puck along the boards and behind the net has been satisfactory or above average in my book.  I actually prefer the old school style of hitting anyway, which dictates that the D-men do most of it and actually stand guys up at the blue line (a la our beloved Stevens).  I would hate Salvador a lot less if he would do that, and he has the body frame to do so, which is puzzling why he doesn't.

 

He's slow so I imagine if he steps up on the foward they can easily get past him and make him look like a fool.


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