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#1261 Neb00rs

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:47 PM

Marty can go fvck himself. No one wanted him.

 

Not wanting Marty to play or be on the team is a legitimate opinion and many posters have made valid posts regarding those opinions. As for comments like the one above, they make me embarrassed to argue, as I often do, that Devils fans are a cut above the rest.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:56 PM

Eh, I've always found a lot of Brodeur's comments to be cringe worthy when he gets his back up against the wall.  For years I just wrote it off as him being the one that all the reporters run to and stick a microphone in his face right after a tough loss but I didn't like a lot of his comments the year he melted down against the Rangers and Avery and I'll always remember him throwing Colin White under the bus after Staal blew the series winner past him in the last minute.  His act has really grown tiresome now that he's a below average goalie.   

 

I do think he'll end up retiring a Devil though.  I suspect today's deadline was a preview of the type of interest he's going to receive this summer.  Given that almost every comment he makes these days is about wanting more playing time and the fact that he plays such a different style that the young goalies in terms of mentoring someone, I just don't see a situation where it makes sense for a GM to bring him in next year.    


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:06 PM

Eh, I've always found a lot of Brodeur's comments to be cringe worthy when he gets his back up against the wall.  For years I just wrote it off as him being the one that all the reporters run to and stick a microphone in his face right after a tough loss but I didn't like a lot of his comments the year he melted down against the Rangers and Avery and I'll always remember him throwing Colin White under the bus after Staal blew the series winner past him in the last minute.  His act has really grown tiresome now that he's a below average goalie.   

 

I do think he'll end up retiring a Devil though.  I suspect today's deadline was a preview of the type of interest he's going to receive this summer.  Given that almost every comment he makes these days is about wanting more playing time and the fact that he plays such a different style that the young goalies in terms of mentoring someone, I just don't see a situation where it makes sense for a GM to bring him in next year.    

 

1) I'm definitely hoping the rumors (Kypreos, for whatever that's worth) about Marty not being happy to still be here are false, because the idea of that kinda sucks.

 

2) Now that his possibly being dealt is no longer a story, I hope he simply plays out the season as quietly as possible (though I expect the retirement questions to take the place of the deadline questions), then retires at the end of the season...and by retire I mean he actually announces it shortly after the end of the season, not in November or so because no one was interested.  I think the lack of interest really said a lot...I thought there might be a team or two fooled by his past and willing to take a chance on him, but I think most (if not all) franchises see that Martin Brodeur is Martin Brodeur in name only.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:18 PM

Marty on waivers, rofl. Like Lou would ever even entertain that thought.

 

I know it is ridiculous, but Yzerman didn't have to trade St. Louis when they are a top team in the NHL, but he did.  MB30 is gonna make things ugly IF he rides the pine. Don't underestimate Marty's desire to play.  If you don't think he pushed Lou hard for a trade I don't know what to tell ya.  He wants to play, and don't see him going down without a fight or starting games.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:20 PM

1) I'm definitely hoping the rumors (Kypreos, for whatever that's worth) about Marty not being happy to still be here are false, because the idea of that kinda sucks.

 

2) Now that his possibly being dealt is no longer a story, I hope he simply plays out the season as quietly as possible (though I expect the retirement questions to take the place of the deadline questions), then retires at the end of the season...and by retire I mean he actually announces it shortly after the end of the season, not in November or so because no one was interested.  I think the lack of interest really said a lot...I thought there might be a team or two fooled by his past and willing to take a chance on him, but I think most (if not all) franchises see that Martin Brodeur is Martin Brodeur in name only.

 

It's funny because I listened to expert or analyst over and over say the same thing: Why would any team want Brodeur? And why does Brodeur want out when he is in the best situation possible in New Jersey.

 

As for what I bolded in your post: Why should Brodeur play out the season quietly when he has started 3 less games than Schneider. Why should he think he is done when the team he plays for doesn't think so and continues to start him game after game regardless of them having a top 5 goalie in the league on the team?  Why should Brodeur think he is done when internally management, coaches and players suck up and keep talking how well he's played.

 

Maybe it was a wake up call to Marty. Maybe he realized everyone around him are a bunch of yes men. He might have realized he isn't loved anywhere else, but he continues to be loved in NJ and by the man making the decisions. So that leaves us as Devils fans stuck with Brodeur playing important games down the stretch and maybe beyond this year. Because we know it isn't going to be anywhere but here.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:26 PM

dr33, I'm hoping the lack of interest from other teams maybe opened Marty's eyes a little, but sadly, as we've seen, Cory isn't allowed to have a meh game and gets minimal leeway, so it looks like Marty will be treated as an equal to Schneider, even though the numbers clearly say something different. 

 

What's sad is this guy meant so much to this franchise and had such an amazing career overall, but if Lou re-signs him for next season, I think at least half the fanbase is going to be dead set against it, if not more.  Really crappy way for a legend to go out.   


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:40 PM

I happened to hear Lou on WFAN and he went through the usual schtick - we have 2 great goalies, Marty actually has more wins, the defense stopped playing in front of Marty.  It's just hard to tell what his real feelings are beyond that.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:46 PM

I happened to hear Lou on WFAN and he went through the usual schtick - we have 2 great goalies, Marty actually has more wins, the defense stopped playing in front of Marty.  It's just hard to tell what his real feelings are beyond that.

 

Right. It's got nothing to do with Marty's poor positioning or slow old man reaction time.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:50 PM

I really think Pete is doing what he thinks is best for his job at this point. The man had no issues at the start going with Hedberg or pulling Brodeur in a tie game. It took him some time, but he probably knows who's the boss in this organization.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:57 PM

I really think Pete is doing what he thinks is best for his job at this point. The man had no issues at the start going with Hedberg or pulling Brodeur in a tie game. It took him some time, but he probably knows who's the boss in this organization.

 

He started Schneider 8 straight games.  I think you are overlooking this.

 

It's just so galling that Brodeur has gotten the goal support he has, there has to be a 5% or worse chance that the goal support split would be like it is.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 11:01 PM

Bleh I'm just disgusted with the situation.

The logjam on D continues, Larsson's likely going to rot in Albany for the rest of the season, Marty's going to start way too many games here on out, Cory's going to get the shaft big time.. Bleh. Just messy.

Lou created this situation unfortunately. Now he's going to have to deal with it.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 11:09 PM

I'm not overlooking it, but I'm pretty sure Cory probably has to win this weekend or Brodeur starts the next game. I do know that Deboer can not, will not, and does not want to say Cory is THE GUY in nets.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 11:10 PM

Even when Marty himself said Cory was the guy publicly early this year, Pete wouldn't go along with that assessment.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 11:15 PM

I'm not overlooking it, but I'm pretty sure Cory probably has to win this weekend or Brodeur starts the next game. I do know that Deboer can not, will not, and does not want to say Cory is THE GUY in nets.

 

If Cory gets shelled, then maybe Marty gets the next game.  Otherwise, Lou and Pete say what they need to say. 

 

If perhaps Lou had some semblance of belief that Marty could still be counted on, I think he got a real education when he realized there wasn't another team that was willing to part with anything of significance for him.  I'm sure Pete got the message too. 


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 11:21 PM

Well only an idiot coach would truly play Brodeur over Schneider.  I don't think Pete is an idiot.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:09 AM

Not saying one way is right or wrong, but it sure is better when you get this kind of information from a GM after the deadline.

 

Here is an interview with Bryan Murray, where he pretty much gives Sens fans all the information they'd want to know. Worth listening to for the contrast between him and Lou.

 


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 04:23 AM

I don't see what is bad about starting Marty. It isn't a sign the DeBoer thinks he is as good as Schneider (as we all know he isn't even close). DeBoer has been playing the goalie who wins, there was a time he even played Hedberg over Marty for that reason. It isn't about stats at all: right now the goalie with whom the team is performing better for gets the call. Marty had a really bad game outside and guess what?: He sat healthy for probably the longest period in his career. 

 

Hey, I'd like to see Schneider in net 90% of the time - sometimes Marty can't stop a beach ball. However, we've won with Marty in net more times than we have won with Cory in net this season. So, no matter why that is, it's perfectly legitimate to play Marty because despite the stats, the Devils are coming out with wins.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 04:44 AM

 Larsson's likely going to rot in Albany for the rest of the season, 

 

FWIW I don't think it's doing him any bad, but he sure as sh!t would be of more use in NJ than in Albany.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 05:19 AM

Even when Marty himself said Cory was the guy publicly early this year, Pete wouldn't go along with that assessment.


That statement by Marty was to setup a win win situation for himself. He never believed what he said.
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Posted 06 March 2014 - 05:22 AM

FWIW I don't think it's doing him any bad, but he sure as sh!t would be of more use in NJ than in Albany.


He won't get any worse playing in Albany but he also won't get any better he needs to be upgraded to a higher level of competition like the NHL.

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