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#1 Neb00rs

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 03:07 AM

Player    +/-  

 

1 Jaromir Jagr   +20

2 Travis Zajac   +5

3 Andy Greene   +4

4 Dainius Zubrus   +4

5 Cam Janssen   +3

6 Marek Zidlicky   +2

7 Andrei Loktionov +2

8 Reid Boucher   +2

9 Jacob Josefson   +1

10 Adam Henrique +0

11 Anton Volchenkov    +0

12 Tim Sestito   +0

13 Joe Whitney  +0

14 Mark Fayne   -1

15 Rostislav Olesz      -1

16 Mike Sislo    -1

17 Bryce Salvador    -3

18 Adam Larsson   -4

19 Eric Gelinas      -5

20 Ryan Carter    -5

21 Patrik Elias     -6

22 Peter Harrold   -6

23 Jon Merrill      -7

24 Stephen Gionta   -8

25 Mattias Tedenby    -8

26 Michael Ryde    -10

27 Ryane Clowe   -10

28 Damien Brunner     -11

29 Steve Bernier    -15

 

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 04:16 AM

My man Can Janssen looking good!!! But really, yeah that's a huge gap, and weird, how is he so high and Elias so low..
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Posted 28 February 2014 - 04:40 AM

 But really, yeah that's a huge gap, and weird, how is he so high and Elias so low..

 

Weird things happen when you get 94% of the saves and the other just 88%...


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:14 AM

I'm not a Cam hater, but his ice time was what? Plus 2 of those goals are his


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:25 AM

Jagr at the top and Bernier and Gionta towards the bottom. Makes sense to me!
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Posted 28 February 2014 - 09:36 AM

This will happen from time to time - Vladimir Zharkov pulled it off on the 08-09 Lowell Devils, he was +23, next guy was +5.  What has to happen is that everyone he plays with does really well and then does really poorly away from him - Elias has only played 175 minutes with him, but they've scored 6 goals and given up 1 - when Elias is away from Jagr, he's been on the ice for 13 goals for and 23 goals against.  The goals against rate is 10 times higher.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:35 AM

I'm not a Cam hater, but his ice time was what? Plus 2 of those goals are his

 

Cam has played ~100 minutes this season.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 11:15 AM

Man, Bernier has been really sh!tty this season. His time here has to be up.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 01:03 PM

This will happen from time to time - Vladimir Zharkov pulled it off on the 08-09 Lowell Devils, he was +23, next guy was +5.  What has to happen is that everyone he plays with does really well and then does really poorly away from him - Elias has only played 175 minutes with him, but they've scored 6 goals and given up 1 - when Elias is away from Jagr, he's been on the ice for 13 goals for and 23 goals against.  The goals against rate is 10 times higher.

 

I accept this explanation, but it gives validity to the +/- stat, does it not?


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 01:11 PM

I accept this explanation, but it gives validity to the +/- stat, does it not?

 

I think it more was showing how random that stat can be.  Jagr and Elias are the same players when they're together as when they're apart.  They don't become scoring machines or defensive walls only when playing together, yet the randomness of the this seasons numbers says, for Elias, he was a monster if with Jagr and pretty horrid when not playing with Jagr.  In reality, Elias was the same player doing the same things.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 01:18 PM

I accept this explanation, but it gives validity to the +/- stat, does it not?

 

Not in the traditional usage of it, no.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 05:09 PM

I think it more was showing how random that stat can be.  Jagr and Elias are the same players when they're together as when they're apart.  They don't become scoring machines or defensive walls only when playing together, yet the randomness of the this seasons numbers says, for Elias, he was a monster if with Jagr and pretty horrid when not playing with Jagr.  In reality, Elias was the same player doing the same things.

 

I understand your point, but the way I see it, by fact, it shows that Jagr has deviated from the mean as far as being on the ice for GF and off the ice for GA. The rest of the team goes pretty sequentially. That's why I don't think the range matters, nor do I think Bernier's -15 is weird just because another Devil is +20, because Bernier has players close to him. But, the fact that Jagr, is +20, shows me that he is playing a more responsible game than the rest of the team. I also suspect it could me the team possesses the puck better with Jagr on the ice, but that's speculation as I don't know the numbers there.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 11:38 PM

I don't know which team you're watching, guys: Elias and Jagr are *not* the same players.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 12:42 AM

I don't know which team you're watching, guys: Elias and Jagr are *not* the same players.

 

Agreed,,,  I mean they have different jersey numbers and everything.


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