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#1 cgb6397

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 04:50 PM

There's obviously been a lot of talk about it, and there's a million different sides people are taking. Some people want him gone, some say only if it's a good return, some are saying nobody will want him anyway, but there's another side, the side I'm on, that I think too many people are missing. Even if we do get a good return, and it's a profitable deal for us, I don't want to see it done. People are missing the point of being a fan, people are denying the emotional connection we've had with Marty for 20 years now. I've watched him since I was a little kid, he was one of my heroes growing up.

 

Are the emotions that you've shared with Marty, watching him win three cups, watching him seal the all time wins and shutouts records, and hanging our heads with him in 2001 and 2012 REALLY more important to you than the few wins that trading him this year might bring about? Sports doesn't have to be a business, people, we are humans beings taking in human beings playing a sport that they love. If Marty does get traded, or if this game today vs. the Islanders is his last in our sweater, I'll be devastated.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 04:54 PM

It's kind of irrelevant what 'we' think...it's obvious Marty himself wants to go.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 04:55 PM

You are missing a major point in this:

 

Marty wants a chance to play more. He is interested in a trade.

 

Anyway, I have posted a ton about it n the past, and the main thing is Brodeur playing 15-20 games anywhere else is irrelevant to me. Seeing a player like him in another jersey doesn't change anything that happened in the past with the Devils. I don't get why you should be devastated if he gets traded. The break up sounds like it would be as easy going as any long-term team-player relationship ever has.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 04:58 PM

i felt similar about terreri 


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 05:08 PM

thats the thing. we have so much connection with him that he is like a family member. and seeing him go onto another team wouldnt be an insult. and i guarantee everyone here would cheer him on with whatever team he is on. hes paid his dues here. he can do whatever he wants. i wont hold anything against him. 


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 05:12 PM

In fairness cgb6397, do you start this thread if Marty gives up five goals and looks bad today?

 

dr33 is right.  If Marty wants more playing time, can't get it here, and decides he want to get it elsewhere, then that's how it goes.  It's not like we're getting ripped off or robbed...we got to see him at his very best, for several years. 

 

We have so many great Brodeur memories to reflect on...not sure how anyone can feel devastated by this.  If (still a big if) he does get moved, it will be a sad day, and I'm sure it will hit me harder than I think it will, but I don't feel so nostalgic that I think Marty should start getting playing time at Cory's (and the team's) expense.  Cory has earned the job even though it seemed like the team was fighting that inevitability.  Like dr33, I've also posted on this subject many times, and all one has to do is look up other top-winning goalies to see that what Marty has done for one team is pretty much unheard of.   


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 05:30 PM

In fairness cgb6397, do you start this thread if Marty gives up five goals and looks bad today?

 

dr33 is right.  If Marty wants more playing time, can't get it here, and decides he want to get it elsewhere, then that's how it goes.  It's not like we're getting ripped off or robbed...we got to see him at his very best, for several years. 

 

We have so many great Brodeur memories to reflect on...not sure how anyone can feel devastated by this.  If (still a big if) he does get moved, it will be a sad day, and I'm sure it will hit me harder than I think it will, but I don't feel so nostalgic that I think Marty should start getting playing time at Cory's (and the team's) expense.  Cory has earned the job even though it seemed like the team was fighting that inevitability.  Like dr33, I've also posted on this subject many times, and all one has to do is look up other top-winning goalies to see that what Marty has done for one team is pretty much unheard of.   

If Marty does want more playing time, and he wants to keep playing after this year and Lou doesn't want him back, I wouldn't feel badly about that at all. Of all the three players that have walked (Kovalchuk, Parise and Clarkson, and now Marty, if it were to happen) it would sting the least. He'd be making his own decision, we wouldn't be sending him out, and I could feel good about rooting for him in another sweater.

 

And just to touch upon what you brought up, regarding if I'd have these feelings if he had a poor showing, no, you're right, I wouldn't, but I think a lot of the animosity that is created this season after Marty plays poorly is due to poor management. Pete has played Marty in so many games this year, chiefly the Stadium Series game, in which he shouldn't have. This season didn't have to be half as ugly as it has been for Marty, because he obviously still has it.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 05:39 PM

Maybe we will get back the 7th round pick we wasted on his son


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 05:41 PM

In fairness cgb6397, do you start this thread if Marty gives up five goals and looks bad today?

 

dr33 is right.  If Marty wants more playing time, can't get it here, and decides he want to get it elsewhere, then that's how it goes.  It's not like we're getting ripped off or robbed...we got to see him at his very best, for several years. 

 

We have so many great Brodeur memories to reflect on...not sure how anyone can feel devastated by this.  If (still a big if) he does get moved, it will be a sad day, and I'm sure it will hit me harder than I think it will, but I don't feel so nostalgic that I think Marty should start getting playing time at Cory's (and the team's) expense.  Cory has earned the job even though it seemed like the team was fighting that inevitability.  Like dr33, I've also posted on this subject many times, and all one has to do is look up other top-winning goalies to see that what Marty has done for one team is pretty much unheard of.   

 

To add to this: I would get way more joy seeing Brodeur go somewhere and do well then him sit on the bench for the rest of the season behind Cory. I'm excited to root for Brodeur actually playing somewhere else...especially because that is what he wants.

 

So I can take in everything the OP says in the first post, and turn it around and say, well if he has done so much for you as a fan and in your life, then be happy for what he wants to do now.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 05:44 PM

Jas0nMacIsaac, on 01 Mar 2014 - 5:39 PM, said:

Maybe we will get back the 7th round pick we wasted on his son

 

Is that really necessary?  That's the height of being ungrateful.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 05:45 PM

If Marty does want more playing time, and he wants to keep playing after this year and Lou doesn't want him back, I wouldn't feel badly about that at all. Of all the three players that have walked (Kovalchuk, Parise and Clarkson, and now Marty, if it were to happen) it would sting the least. He'd be making his own decision, we wouldn't be sending him out, and I could feel good about rooting for him in another sweater.

 

And just to touch upon what you brought up, regarding if I'd have these feelings if he had a poor showing, no, you're right, I wouldn't, but I think a lot of the animosity that is created this season after Marty plays poorly is due to poor management. Pete has played Marty in so many games this year, chiefly the Stadium Series game, in which he shouldn't have. This season didn't have to be half as ugly as it has been for Marty, because he obviously still has it.

 

He was going to get the Stadium game pretty much no matter what.  Of course we all wish it could've turned out a whole lot better, but that game was his and rightly so. 

 

PDB seemed very hesitant to trust Cory, but I've posted the game breakdown, and it basically came down to a Marty having a nice stretch early and Cory having one meh stretch that delayed the passing of the torch.  Marty doesn't really have it anymore...not consistently, and that's the problem.  No one knows what they're getting from him from game to game, and to be around .900 in save% for 58 games in today's NHL (that's over this season and last)...that's just not good.

 

And yeah dr33, I would root for Marty for his new team without hesitation (not at the Devils' expense of course).  If he gets more playing time somewhere else and makes the most of it, great for him for writing one nice final chapter.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 05:48 PM

Is that really necessary?  That's the height of being ungrateful.

 

The forensic guys always manage to be that way to a fault.  OK Jason, who's the awesome 7th-rounder the Devils passed up in taking Anthony?  That was a great moment for Marty and his son...not sure how you can knock it.   


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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 05:49 PM

Maybe we will get back the 7th round pick we wasted on his son

 

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 07:18 PM

Don't want Marty in another jersey. End of story for me. In a perfect world he accepts his role as a backup next year and gets to 700 wins next year with us. Ill be disappointed with any other outcome.
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Posted 01 March 2014 - 07:42 PM

I'm going to save the ticket stub from the game today just in case. I would hate to see Marty go though.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 07:45 PM

Don't want Marty in another jersey. End of story for me. In a perfect world he accepts his role as a backup next year and gets to 700 wins next year with us. Ill be disappointed with any other outcome.

 

He's at 683 wins and figures to get 3-5 starts if Cory stays healthy.  700 wins seems like a long shot if he's a backup here next season, and not just because Cory should get at least 60 starts.  700 doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot if he has to limp towards it.   

 

Marty ranked 42nd in save% last season (out of 50 qualifiers) and is 39th out of 43 qualifiers this season, according to nhl.com.  He also appears to be grappling with his reduced playing time...if he comes back next season to "back up", I think to him, that means 30-35 games.  Anything less, and I don't think he'll be happy.  That should NOT happen here.  I've seen enough over the past two seasons to feel that his playing any more than 20 games (which is probably a little too much) would be a serious detriment to the Devils. 

 

Like others have said, Cory deserves to have the job uncontested.  I'd be surprised if Marty would ever be willing to be a 15-20 game backup...he wants to play.  I'll always love everything Marty did as a Devil, but I wouldn't let him Messier his way into another season here.  Ideally, he'll accept that he's got a few more starts (but only a few) as a Devil this season and retire...but he doesn't seem to want that.       


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 07:48 PM

I agree but that's why I said in a perfect world. I'm just sad about this situation. Marty was/is will be always my favorite player. I'm being selfish but I want him to retire in a Devils jersey.
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Posted 01 March 2014 - 07:52 PM

IMO Marty has earned the right to do whatever he wants. He's given 20 years to this franchise with 3 cups while being a pretty model citizen the whole time. I would love for him to finish his career here, but if he feels the need to move on then I wish him the best. I may not understand it, but I wish him the best and do view his legacy here in any less esteem.

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 08:01 PM

i agree and i feel pretty similar to the OP.. ive been watching marty since i was a little kid his jersey was the first one i ever got i loved and still love the guy he was my hero .. i have a whole bunch of marty auto's and memorobilia .. i too would be quite upset if he was to be traded.. which is why i decided to make the troop out to L.I. today to see him play.. However it is kind of clear that he no longer wants to play here anymore hes not happy. He wants to go somewhere he will get more chances to play and thats understandable to a point
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Posted 01 March 2014 - 08:02 PM

I don't understand why 700's so important, it's just a round number.  Marty already leads in wins by a mile.  I prefer to believe it's an honest wanting to play until they drag him out type thing.


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