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Posted 01 March 2014 - 08:32 PM

I don't understand why 700's so important, it's just a round number.  Marty already leads in wins by a mile.  I prefer to believe it's an honest wanting to play until they drag him out type thing.

 

In fairness, the only people I've ever heard bring up 700 wins are fans speculating why Marty still wants to play.  I've never heard Marty himself mention anything about 700 wins meaning anything to him.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 08:52 PM

Here's my feelings on the situation. If Marty came out and said, "Hey, look, I'm done after this season," then I'd keep him as a backup and let him retire as a Devil. But the fact that he's unhappy and seems to be heavily leaning towards playing again next season is significant and the Devils can NOT re-sign him. They just can't. It would be so utterly counter-productive and I have no faith that Pete (who I think will be back) won't fvck it up if Marty comes back. With that being said, trade him instead of letting him walk for nothing because either way it seems he won't finish his career in this jersey. I've made my peace with it.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 09:05 PM

In a perfect world, Marty retires in June as a Devil. We don't live in that world. I've said it before, but Marty's greatest strength in his prime was his supreme confidence. Now that he's not the best (by a long shot), that confidence becomes a detriment. I'm hoping against hope that someone gets through to Marty and he retires as a Devil, with some dignity, so everyone remembers him as the GOAT rather than just another guy who hung on for too long. If he leaves, so be it, and I'll wish him the best wherever he goes, as long as it doesn't hurt the Devils, but the guy who gave up money for the Devils should get to retire as a career Devil, especially considering the odds on him playing well as a starter for someone else are low at this point.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 09:08 PM

Here's my feelings on the situation. If Marty came out and said, "Hey, look, I'm done after this season," then I'd keep him as a backup and let him retire as a Devil. But the fact that he's unhappy and seems to be heavily leaning towards playing again next season is significant and the Devils can NOT re-sign him. They just can't. It would be so utterly counter-productive and I have no faith that Pete (who I think will be back) won't fvck it up if Marty comes back. With that being said, trade him instead of letting him walk for nothing because either way it seems he won't finish his career in this jersey. I've made my peace with it.

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 10:44 PM

Listen, I don't want Marty to leave either but we have to deal with the facts: he has pretty much made it clear that he wants playing time and will go wherever he needs to go to get it. There's a chance he stays past the trade deadline this year but it's more than likely he will be in another jersey next year, unless he has an enormous change of heart. Also, I don't believe for a second 700 is the reason Brodeur is still playing. It is important to him, but isn't that big of a deal when compared to his desire to play hockey. 


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 10:55 PM

It doesn't seem like there is any benefit to the Devils in trading him though. If we trade him, are we getting back a goalie of equal (or greater) value? Certainly not. That means Kinkaid gets thrust into the backup role. God forbid Schneider pulls something we might be stuck with Kinkaid for 4-5 games. I know I've been hard on Marty, but just about anybody else would rather have him than some unproven AHL guy

 

How stupid would it look to see Martin Brodeur in a Calgary Flames uniform playing out the meaningless string while the Devils make the playoffs. It's going to be absurdly obvious that he forced his way out and would rather split time with a loser than stay on as an elder statesman backup for a winner. Woohoo, I started 4 more games than I would've had I stayed in Jersey. This makes packing up my life and trekking up north so worth it


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 12:02 AM

Whatever happens so be it.
I wish him the best.
I don't want him back next season it's not good for the team because he can't or won't adjust to a back up role.
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Posted 02 March 2014 - 12:15 AM

It doesn't seem like there is any benefit to the Devils in trading him though. If we trade him, are we getting back a goalie of equal (or greater) value? Certainly not. That means Kinkaid gets thrust into the backup role. God forbid Schneider pulls something we might be stuck with Kinkaid for 4-5 games. I know I've been hard on Marty, but just about anybody else would rather have him than some unproven AHL guy

 

How stupid would it look to see Martin Brodeur in a Calgary Flames uniform playing out the meaningless string while the Devils make the playoffs. It's going to be absurdly obvious that he forced his way out and would rather split time with a loser than stay on as an elder statesman backup for a winner. Woohoo, I started 4 more games than I would've had I stayed in Jersey. This makes packing up my life and trekking up north so worth it

 

I really like Kinkaid, and I truly believe the kid can handle the pressure just fine imo.  I have nothing to base it on other than watching him though.  I can't get inside his head, and don't know for sure he can handle the pressure.  But I actually think the unrpoven goalie thing gets overblown imo.  I don't think a proven goalie is necessary to win in the playoffs or win a cup.  Again I have nothing to base my opinion on, but quite frankly I don't think there's much evidence to support the opposite either.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 12:20 AM

 

How stupid would it look to see Martin Brodeur in a Calgary Flames uniform playing out the meaningless string while the Devils make the playoffs. It's going to be absurdly obvious that he forced his way out and would rather split time with a loser than stay on as an elder statesman backup for a winner. Woohoo, I started 4 more games than I would've had I stayed in Jersey. This makes packing up my life and trekking up north so worth it

 

I don't think it'll come to that, for the simple reason teams not in the playoffs have no reason to play 41-year old rental goalies.  But it is a bit disconcerting that Marty would leave the Devils after all this time just to get maybe five more games the rest of the year.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 12:23 AM

I don't think it'll come to that, for the simple reason teams not in the playoffs have no reason to play 41-year old rental goalies. But it is a bit disconcerting that Marty would leave the Devils after all this time just to get maybe five more games the rest of the year.


Man, the guy just can't catch a break. He stays, he's a distraction. He goes, he's an ingrate that'll throw it all away for nothing important.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 12:25 AM

I don't think it'll come to that, for the simple reason teams not in the playoffs have no reason to play 41-year old rental goalies.  But it is a bit disconcerting that Marty would leave the Devils after all this time just to get maybe five more games the rest of the year.

 

Not as simple as that. It might have been discussed that Schneider will be the guy for pretty much most of the remaining games. Brodeur doesn't want to retire and feels he needs more games to prove he can get a job next season.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 12:28 AM

Man, the guy just can't catch a break. He stays, he's a distraction. He goes, he's an ingrate that'll throw it all away for nothing important.


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I feel bad for Cory Schneider.  Can you imagine the pressure he'll be under?  Would you wanna be the guy that basically drove the living legend off the team he played 20 years with?


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 12:45 AM

According to Kevin Weekes, Brodeur has waived his NTC.
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Posted 02 March 2014 - 12:46 AM

Man, the guy just can't catch a break. He stays, he's a distraction. He goes, he's an ingrate that'll throw it all away for nothing important.


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I never used the word ingrate...but let's face it he HAS been passively agressively asking for a trade since November on and off.  You wish more of these guys could be like Teemu and just play out the end of their career in peace instead of having an Alfie/St. Louis/Marty drama.  You're a Yankee fan, you mean to tell me you wouldn't be dismayed if Jeter started pulling this stuff and got himself traded?

 

Not as simple as that. It might have been discussed that Schneider will be the guy for pretty much most of the remaining games. Brodeur doesn't want to retire and feels he needs more games to prove he can get a job next season.

 

Unless he's literally getting two-three games the rest of the season (and I don't see the point in it being that low if we fall out of it), there isn't much of a difference between him being a backup here and him being a backup in Minnesota.  Now if he's going to be a backup in Montreal, that's different but probably unlikely.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 01:03 AM

Man, the guy just can't catch a break. He stays, he's a distraction. He goes, he's an ingrate that'll throw it all away for nothing important.


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On this site, hardly surprising.   I'll believe it when I see it, in the first place, it makes very little sense for any of the parties involved, him, the Devils, and the new team, unless he's getting some conditional 1/bad 2 type of deal that Jagr got last year, and that would be utterly cracktastic.

 

They look like they are going to attempt a run and playing Cory 21 consecutive times seems like a horrible idea.   Kinkaid couldn't get horrendous Moose out of the net, so you can forget about him actually playing.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 01:09 AM

Clearly he intends on playing again next season and knows full well it won't be in NJ. He feels he has something left to give and if 1 of the 30 GMs in the NHL is willing to give him a shot, then good for him. I think this has now become more about next year than this. He probably feels he needs more PT this season to show he isn't finished to get the next contract for 2014-15.

I don't want to see Marty go, and it will definitely be weird to see him in another uniform. But this is Cory's team now and if Marty finds a situation where he gets what he is looking for and the Devils can pickup some assets, then so be it. I will hold no ill will toward Marty.
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Posted 02 March 2014 - 01:14 AM

On this site, hardly surprising.   I'll believe it when I see it, in the first place, it makes very little sense for any of the parties involved, him, the Devils, and the new team, unless he's getting some conditional 1/bad 2 type of deal that Jagr got last year, and that would be utterly cracktastic.

 

They look like they are going to attempt a run and playing Cory 21 consecutive times seems like a horrible idea.   Kinkaid couldn't get horrendous Moose out of the net, so you can forget about him actually playing.

 

Kinkaid couldn't get Hedberg out of the net had nothing to do with Kinkaid. At the end of the day, an AHL starter won't do much worse than a .900 save percentage goalie (Brodeur's exact percentage by the way).

 

I do think if the Devils trade Brodeur, they go try and find someone else with some NHL experience (don't really think that is neccessary, but this follows a pattern with Lou).

 

Anyway, the NTC report doesn't give us much ground breaking information. We knew Marty was very open to a deal, and probably told Lou some teams he'd be open to go. Hence the NTC being waived.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 01:17 AM

He's been perfectly fine in his last two indoor games.   That Kinkaid couldn't get Moose out of the net means a ton.   The coach won't play him, which means Cory has to play every game for the rest of the season.   And they can't afford to PAY to move Marty out and then get a backup.   


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 01:21 AM

He's been perfectly fine in his last two indoor games.   That Kinkaid couldn't get Moose out of the net means a ton.   The coach won't play him, which means Cory has to play every game for the rest of the season.   And they can't afford to PAY to move Marty out and then get a backup.   

 

Why would you use a sample size of two games? We have the last 100+ regular season games. There's a good chance Pete doesn't give any Brodeur replacement, one with NHL experience or not, a chance when the playoffs are on the line.

 

I don't think Schneider ending the season starting 20+ games is such a bad thing. Deboer practically did the same with Brodeur over the last 30 games in 2012. The Devils are fighting like crazy for a playoff spot. Cory playing all the games gives them he best shot in my opinion.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 01:24 AM

Why would you use a sample size of two games? We have the last 100+ regular season games. There's a good chance Pete doesn't give any Brodeur replacement, one with NHL experience or not, a chance when the playoffs are on the line.

 

I don't think Schneider ending the season starting 20+ games is such a bad thing. Deboer practically did the same with Brodeur over the last 30 games in 2012. The Devils are fighting like crazy for a playoff spot. Cory playing all the games gives them he best shot in my opinion.

 

I just think it's a big risk to roll him out there that much without a first round pick, because if something happens it goes right off the cliff.   I don't think it makes any sense on any front unless someone makes a really stupid offer.


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