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#261 thecoffeecake

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 11:53 PM

Yeah except he's another older player with a history of injuries and very little upside. If he doesn't work out you might be able to get a late round pick.

 

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Clearing out Fayne takes one potential UFA off the books. He's kind of middle of the pack. He's not as valuable as Greene or some of the younger players but he's not as useless as Volch and Sal. So in my mind he's expendable. As far as prospects we're not talking Reid Boucher, but we are stacked on D prospects, we can afford to move a future player with possible NHL potential to address contemporary concerns. Finally, a 3rd or 4th round pick doesn't always equal a Datsyuk or Zetterberg. If you move all three of those things it's possible you can get a Moulson or Vanek out of the deal which addresses the scoring issues and even possibly get a late round pick in a later draft year.

I think adding a Moulson or Vanek wouldn't work out well either way. I think the Ruutu trade was a message about where Lou wants to take this franchise. The Kovy deal blew up on us chemistry wise. Adding a scorer doesn't mean the teams scoring issues are solved. Besides, we're finally putting some pucks in the net, maybe this group has finally come together. Like I said, we're thin enough with picks and prospects. Let's build with what we have, and add system guys like Ruutu, maybe a Stastny this summer.


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#262 CarpathianForest

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 11:54 PM

When healthy he is a 2 shots per game type player and generally has a high sh% because most shots are in close. In 20 games with Zajac and Jagr It wouldn't surprise me if he had 5 goals...he isn't a 6% shooter, that is for sure.

 

That says a lot about the lack of talent on this team if Ruutu gets 1st line  minutes. I don't see him potting more than 3 goals in the remaining games.


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#263 Jas0nMacIsaac

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:00 AM

That says a lot about the lack of talent on this team if Ruutu gets 1st line  minutes. I don't see him potting more than 3 goals in the remaining games.

 

That is only even strength, he may get on the 2nd PP unit in front of the net, he won't play the PK. Lou is looking for players to fill in certain roles. It is clear Zubrus just doesn't have the offensive skill at this point to play with Jagr and Zajac and produce consistently. If Ruutu is indeed healthy (I believe NJ did their homework) then Ruutu is skilled enough to finish on their line, will destroy players on the forecheck and be very heavy along the boards. I really think Ruutu fits the makeup of this team, just like I thought Jagr and Clowe matches the makeup of this team.


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#264 CarpathianForest

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:06 AM

That is only even strength, he may get on the 2nd PP unit in front of the net, he won't play the PK. Lou is looking for players to fill in certain roles. It is clear Zubrus just doesn't have the offensive skill at this point to play with Jagr and Zajac and produce consistently. If Ruutu is indeed healthy (I believe NJ did their homework) then Ruutu is skilled enough to finish on their line, will destroy players on the forecheck and be very heavy along the boards. I really think Ruutu fits the makeup of this team, just like I thought Jagr and Clowe matches the makeup of this team.

 

I think a lot of the criticism of Zubrus is unfounded. He's got 10 goals and 13 assists. He's not having a stellar season but he's meeting expectations.


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#265 Devilsfan118

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:08 AM

If he was shooting his career average he'd have, what, 10 goals this season?  So..that's one way to sort of sugarcoat it.


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#266 Jas0nMacIsaac

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:14 AM

I think a lot of the criticism of Zubrus is unfounded. He's got 10 goals and 13 assists. He's not having a stellar season but he's meeting expectations.

He has been good, but he is also playing with our best possession center and Jagr. If Ruutu is healthy playing with Jagr I believe he gets close to 20 goals.


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#267 CarpathianForest

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:15 AM

He has been good, but he is also playing with our best possession center and Jagr. If Ruutu is healthy playing with Jagr I believe he gets close to 20.

20 points? That's a very tall order.


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#268 Jas0nMacIsaac

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:17 AM

http://www.behindthe...s 2008_p 2007_s

 

Look at the penalty drawn ratio as well. The more we are on the PP the better.


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#269 CarpathianForest

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:22 AM

http://www.behindthe...s 2008_p 2007_s

 

Look at the penalty drawn ratio as well. The more we are on the PP the better.

 

It's a bit over 1 per game but he also averages penalties taken at 1 per game. Plus if he's going to play on the first line he's going to be taking his TOI to a new level. He's around 13 minutes per game TOI


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#270 Jas0nMacIsaac

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:24 AM

It's a bit over 1 per game but he also averages penalties taken at 1 per game. Plus if he's going to play on the first line he's going to be taking his TOI to a new level. He's around 13 minutes per game TOI

Once again, he was coming into this season off two hip surgeries and a knee injury in camp. Looking at his career totals is probably a closer representation to what he will bring from here on out since it is said that he is finally healthy.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:29 AM

Once again, he was coming into this season off two hip surgeries and a knee injury in camp. Looking at his career totals is probably a closer representation to what he will bring from here on out since it is said that he is finally healthy.

 

You can't overlook the fact that Jagr and Zajac are playing on average 19 minutes per game. I don't see how Ruutu can manage going from a career average of 13 minutes per game to 19 minutes per game.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:34 AM

You can't overlook the fact that Jagr and Zajac are playing on average 19 minutes per game. I don't see how Ruutu can manage going from a career average of 13 minutes per game to 19 minutes per game.

They are around 16 minutes ES, Jagr and Zajac often fill in with 4th line players to get a little more ice time as well. I think he will be fine at 13 and a half minutes at ES.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:37 AM

I just don't see how replacing Zubrus with Ruutu on that line is more effective. Granted Zubrus has played 6 more games but Zube's S% is 3 points higher, he has 14 more shots and 7 more points. It's kind of a wash IMO.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:45 AM

I just don't see how replacing Zubrus with Ruutu on that line is more effective. Granted Zubrus has played 6 more games but Zube's S% is 3 points higher, he has 14 more shots and 7 more points. It's kind of a wash IMO.

Ruutu is a career near 13% shooter, he is a better shooter than Zubrus regardless of the poor luck this season. Also, Ruutu is playing with inferior linemates. If you replace Zubrus with Ruutu, he is probably near 2 shots a game.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:48 AM

If Ruutu pans out like I think he won't I'll be one of the first to inquire about his game worn Devils jersey at Meigray.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:57 AM

Probably the best they could do given their limited buying chips


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:04 AM

That says a lot about the lack of talent on this team if Ruutu gets 1st line  minutes. I don't see him potting more than 3 goals in the remaining games.

 

 

20 points? That's a very tall order.

 

 

You can't overlook the fact that Jagr and Zajac are playing on average 19 minutes per game. I don't see how Ruutu can manage going from a career average of 13 minutes per game to 19 minutes per game.

 

 

I just don't see how replacing Zubrus with Ruutu on that line is more effective. Granted Zubrus has played 6 more games but Zube's S% is 3 points higher, he has 14 more shots and 7 more points. It's kind of a wash IMO.

 

 

If Ruutu pans out like I think he won't I'll be one of the first to inquire about his game worn Devils jersey at Meigray.

Hey, everyone. CF doesn't like the Ruutu trade. Thought I'd save you the breath.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 02:31 AM

we got a player who can compete against henrik in head & shoulders advertisements
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Posted 06 March 2014 - 07:49 AM

we got a player who can compete against henrik in head & shoulders advertisements
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Posted 06 March 2014 - 08:39 AM

Can the three of you take your love letters to private messages I am getting sick of weeding through them to read content
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