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#41 GoArmySports

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:11 PM

So if we win the Stanley Cup this year we would of picked 30th anyway!


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:12 PM

LOL! Snow couldn't get a 1st for Vanek and we got a 1st for nothing. 

 

Seriously though, great news for the Devils.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:12 PM

I called it. Anyway, I am sure this was part of the sale conditions to Harris and company.
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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:14 PM

The penalty was for the first contract.  The Devils would have been punished regardless of whether Kovalchuk signed a 2nd contract or not.  The Devils are already subject to cap recapture on Kovalchuk's 2nd contract.

 

max:  The Devils could've gotten Vanek anyway.  They didn't have the cap room after the Ruutu deal.

 

I agree with you in principle on the top part, but the second contract wasn't registered until the labor negotiation was completed.  It was a bit sketchy.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:16 PM

I'm a glass half empty type of guy, so in essence, it's just short of us getting the 1st pick of the 2nd round.  No big deal.  More of a "formality" than anything...


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:19 PM

Bwahahaha Lou trolling everyone. All those people who freaked out over not giving up the 29th pick can shove it now.
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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:23 PM

Great news. It's already been debated but I would not at all be surprised if lou knew about this. At the very least he had a hunch because nothing else would justify us taking Matteau.

So just to be clear: we have the 30th pick this year, not pending anything. So no matter how bad we do, we still get the 30th right

Edited by Onddeck, 06 March 2014 - 01:23 PM.

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:27 PM

What 731 said - Harris is now the owner. It was under Vanderbeek that the old contract was signed.


That may mean something with the fine but means nothing vis-a-vis the pick. College programs get punished all the time for what previous administrations did.

I do think Kovy leaving and the cap recapture penalty brought to light the silliness of punishing us twice without getting the player for anywhere close to full term.
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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:27 PM

So in hindsight I guees it's a good idea we didn't give up the 29th pick in 2012.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:28 PM

There is no way Lou knew anything in June of 2012. Perhaps he felt that he could keep working on the league for 2 years, and present a very good case.

 

The rest of the league has every right to be going nuts. This is the third time Lou has really gotten away with some sketchy sh!t.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:29 PM

Bwahahaha Lou trolling everyone. All those people who freaked out over not giving up the 29th pick can shove it now.


Except there's no guarantee this happens if Kovy doesn't leave or VBK doesn't sell. It was still pretty reckless.
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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:32 PM

Bwahahaha Lou trolling everyone. All those people who freaked out over not giving up the 29th pick can shove it now.

yea ok keep acting like you didnt think it was a bad decision at the time too
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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:36 PM

There is no way Lou knew anything in June of 2012. Perhaps he felt that he could keep working on the league for 2 years, and present a very good case.

The rest of the league has every right to be going nuts. This is the third time Lou has really gotten away with some sketchy sh!t.


He didn't 'get away' with it...we still had a 1st reduced and lost a 3rd, still the most severe cap penalty ever.
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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:37 PM

That may mean something with the fine but means nothing vis-a-vis the pick. College programs get punished all the time for what previous administrations did.

I do think Kovy leaving and the cap recapture penalty brought to light the silliness of punishing us twice without getting the player for anywhere close to full term.

 

You're holding up the NCAA as your example?  The NCAA is the only sports organization categorically worse than the NHL.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:37 PM

Lou's not trading the pick anyway, especially with the current state of our forward prospects

 

It's a pick that could have otherwise been packaged to move up, or get multiple lower picks. 


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:37 PM

I just did a little dance. Best news in forever concerning this team.
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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:40 PM

Good. It was a dumb punishment to begin with. 


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:41 PM

The penalty was for the first contract.  The Devils would have been punished regardless of whether Kovalchuk signed a 2nd contract or not. 

 

 

 

Technically you are correct, although if I recall correctly, the penalty was imposed after he signed the second deal.  So had he not the second, I couldn't see Bettman imposing that severe a penalty, which was discretionary in the first place.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:43 PM

It's a pick that could have otherwise been packaged to move up, or get multiple lower picks. 

 

It could've, but hey the NHL decided to give us some strings attached to this little gift. You have to accept it as is

 

What this does give us is the opportunity to trade our first in 2015 at next years deadline if Lou feels like it (and is satisfied with our haul this year)


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:44 PM

yea ok keep acting like you didnt think it was a bad decision at the time too

was not on the board back then so I don't have any evidence to point to but there have been rational arguments made why it wasn't necessarily a bad decision. It was a calculated risk that we may still lose a bit on but may be worth it depending on what Matteau becomes.

Either way I don't value draft picks as much as some do, if anything their greatest value is in trades, so IMO the fact that we couldn't use this pick as a trade chip hurts more than it being downgraded to #30.

Just glancing at other forums- other fans' butthurt over this is great.
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