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#21 Devs4LordStanley

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:56 AM

Why fire Lou? Cause he didn't get a goal scorer? He didn't draft some? Find a gritty goal scorer and then you have a case. Look at loki/ryder/brunner/kovy - they dont/didn't fit. We have the best player for our system and he's 42. Please, find me another Jagr. Why do we draft D? They take longer to develop.

 

Now, as for PDB, crappy coach. Poor personnel choices, poor period transitions, and poor rookie management. I think you all know what I mean by them. His ass should be fired but I don't think there's anybody better available.

 

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 11:04 AM

The blown leads never seem to end under DeBoer. Its enough that I'm surprised that I haven't had a fvcking stroke yet. I'm getting there though.

 When we were up 3-1 I turned to my kids and said teh Devils need to stop trying to score as I see Zidlicky pinch in deep. We forgot what you do with a 2 goal lead. Dump the puck in forecheck and make them shoot form the outside... just like FLA did after they went up 4-3.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 11:13 AM

When we were up 3-1 I turned to my kids and said teh Devils need to stop trying to score as I see Zidlicky pinch in deep. We forgot what you do with a 2 goal lead. Dump the puck in forecheck and make them shoot form the outside... just like FLA did after they went up 4-3.

And lest we forget that if not for a fortunate call, we blow the Philly game and go to OT as well.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 11:17 AM

 When we were up 3-1 I turned to my kids and said teh Devils need to stop trying to score as I see Zidlicky pinch in deep. We forgot what you do with a 2 goal lead. Dump the puck in forecheck and make them shoot form the outside... just like FLA did after they went up 4-3.

 

The Devils played 3 perfect 3rd periods before the break only to have some sh!tty goals go in with the net empty.  They played an excellent 3rd against Philly earlier this week.

 

Last night was a brutal period, but I don't think it was a trend.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 11:22 AM

 When we were up 3-1 I turned to my kids and said teh Devils need to stop trying to score as I see Zidlicky pinch in deep. We forgot what you do with a 2 goal lead. Dump the puck in forecheck and make them shoot form the outside... just like FLA did after they went up 4-3.

its a tough call sweets, if they go into a Defensive shell and get trapped in their zone too long things get ugly as well. they've blown leads both ways. two bad turnovers by otherwise solid players in our own zone. but its always something   que the fat lady


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 11:26 AM

This thread is so overreactionary that it's laughable. Just two days ago we had posters saying they weren't afraid to take on any east team in a 7 game series, now the coach and/or gm sucks and they need to go.

Everyone knew coming into this season that we were a fringe playoff contender at best, as others have said with just two or three shootout wins we probably have an entirely different feel. In addition, with a few more goals from Ryder or Bruner- who both have absolutely disappeared here- we're probably in playoff contention. Yet somehow these two glaring weaknesses are the fault of the gm or coach.

Bottom line is in a salary cap league it's very difficult to win when two premier goalscorers leave in consecutive years, Lou tried to patch it and it hasn't been completely successful, and if anything Pete runs a system that somewhat covers up for our lack of scoring.
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Posted 15 March 2014 - 11:49 AM

 When we were up 3-1 I turned to my kids and said teh Devils need to stop trying to score as I see Zidlicky pinch in deep. We forgot what you do with a 2 goal lead. Dump the puck in forecheck and make them shoot form the outside... just like FLA did after they went up 4-3.

 

Remember when 'playing like the Devils' was our thing? Now everyone does it and it seems like we are trying not to do it.

 

This thread is so overreactionary that it's laughable. Just two days ago we had one poster saying they weren't afraid to take on any east team in a 7 game series, now the coach and/or gm sucks and they need to go.

Bottom line is in a salary cap league it's very difficult to win when two premier goalscorers leave in consecutive years, Lou tried to patch it and it hasn't been completely successful, and if anything Pete runs a system that somewhat covers up for our lack of scoring.

 

The first part of your post I fixed. The second point doesn't make sense considering many of our players are having the worst offensive seasons of their career and for much of this season we were sitting at 29th in scoring. Saying that Pete's system covers up our lack of scoring is ludicrous.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 12:45 PM

The second point doesn't make sense considering many of our players are having the worst offensive seasons of their career and for much of this season we were sitting at 29th in scoring. Saying that Pete's system covers up our lack of scoring is ludicrous.

Or those guys played on complete lines... We have Tuomo Ruutu on our top line right now. We have Brunner anchoring Elias and Henrique on the 2nd. We have Ryder and Clowe playing without a center on the 3rd. None of that is DeBoer's fault, and before you say change the lines, these are the most effective lines we've had all season.

 

I'm a hug Lou defender, but Larsson in Albany so we can play Sal and Volch is enough to make me consider firing him. The roster isn't DeBoer's fault, and much as he's taken sh!t for the way he's handled young players, Gelly's had plenty of chances, Merrill's got a spot locked up and has mostly gotten better, Henrique has had plenty of chances, and looks great now, and Larsson's on Lou at this point.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 12:54 PM

Or those guys played on complete lines... We have Tuomo Ruutu on our top line right now. We have Brunner anchoring Elias and Henrique on the 2nd. We have Ryder and Clowe playing without a center on the 3rd. None of that is DeBoer's fault, and before you say change the lines, these are the most effective lines we've had all season.

 

I'm a hug Lou defender, but Larsson in Albany so we can play Sal and Volch is enough to make me consider firing him. The roster isn't DeBoer's fault, and much as he's taken sh!t for the way he's handled young players, Gelly's had plenty of chances, Merrill's got a spot locked up and has mostly gotten better, Henrique has had plenty of chances, and looks great now, and Larsson's on Lou at this point.

 

The point is that DeBoer's system does not provide more goal scoring than we otherwise would have. Oh, and I have made it clear that I am against firing DeBoer.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 02:53 PM

Meh Lou has had a great run, but everyone's time comes eventually.

I'm of the opinion that we need a GM who isn't afraid to rebuild - Lou seems content with keeping this team on the fringe by signing and acquiring bloated veteran contracts.

Outside of Henrique and maybe Boucher (I'm not convinced he becomes anything more than a Ryder-type player), the Devils have literally ZERO young forwards with a good chance to contribute in a top 6 role at the NHL level. This is comically bad. You can point at Kovy and Parise leaving as much as you want, but the reality is that steps need to be taken now to recover from those losses. And the moves Lou has made thus far show me he does not have long term in mind. At all.

I mean, can you blame him? He won't be here during the inevitable rebuild, so why not spend money now and leave the next guy in line with the mess?

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 03:30 PM


If Lou fired Deboer, he should just fire himself. His coaching change worked once with Robinson.


What about when he hired DeBoer and they went from missing the playoffs one year to coming within 2 games of the Cup the following year, was that a good coaching change?
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Posted 15 March 2014 - 03:30 PM

Btw, we've scored goals recently - it's the defense that's been mediocre.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 03:55 PM

What about when he hired DeBoer and they went from missing the playoffs one year to coming within 2 games of the Cup the following year, was that a good coaching change?

 

He didn't fire Lemaire after the 2011 season. I was talking about in-season change.

 

Anyway, I was wrong because the MacLean to Lemaire change was obviously a very successful one. Although this team right now looks nothing like the-first-half-of-2010-2011 team. I don't think any Devils team in 25 years has.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 03:55 PM

In recent years, Lou has made it clear that he wanted stability with the head coach. That was supposed to be Pat Burns, then he fell ill. Robinson basically said he didn't want to be a head coach anymore. And then Julien evidently lost the team. Lou then got his man in Sutter, who quit. He hoped he found a long term solution in MacLean, but he was a disaster with actually a pretty talented team. (Notice how basically the same group did under Lemaire and DeBoer's first year).

DeBoer has done about as well as you could expect with a team that lacks any high end, much less elite, talent. You might fault him for giving Brodeur too many games, but the team happened to win most of the games he started. Maybe also not having the guts to bunch Salvador, but your new coach is definitely not going to do that either.

Otherwise, you are not going to find a coach that will get much more out of this team. Certainly not Laviolette, who is the last coach you want if you want the younger players to get a chance.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 04:10 PM

Btw, we've scored goals recently - it's the defense that's been mediocre.

 

yup. Murphy's law is striking in any possible ways against us it's ridiculous.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 04:37 PM

The first part of your post I fixed. The second point doesn't make sense considering many of our players are having the worst offensive seasons of their career and for much of this season we were sitting at 29th in scoring. Saying that Pete's system covers up our lack of scoring is ludicrous.

go back and read that thread. The first five posts alone were of the opinion that only the bruins were a difficult opponent. I'd qoite but im on my phone. That's beside the point though, I'm just trying to highlight the incredible reactionary nature of these boards. If we won last night does this thread exist? No, so one tough loss is the difference between a serious discussion of firing Lou and deboer and everyone sitting around singing koombaya like we're playoff bound.

There is not a doubt in my mind that Pete has helped this team more than hurt it. We do not have elite scorers (and yes you can blame Lou for that if you want), and the system that we run specifically tries to compensate for that lack. The fact that we are 29th in scoring yet are 4 points out if a playoff spot proves my point. Take a look and let me know how many teams are in the bottom ten in scoring yet are in playoff position. I honestly don't know but I doubt there's many.

Are you blaming pete for Ryder not scoring in over 20 games? Or Brunner disappearing for long stretches? Plenty of other forwards have found the back of the net during these times, so I'm not sure how he is somehow holding these players back.

On a side note for the people complaining about Larsson- do you think him in the lineup makes this a playoff team? As much as is like him up here. I'm not so sure.
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Posted 15 March 2014 - 05:37 PM

Meh Lou has had a great run, but everyone's time comes eventually.

I'm of the opinion that we need a GM who isn't afraid to rebuild - Lou seems content with keeping this team on the fringe by signing and acquiring bloated veteran contracts.

Outside of Henrique and maybe Boucher (I'm not convinced he becomes anything more than a Ryder-type player), the Devils have literally ZERO young forwards with a good chance to contribute in a top 6 role at the NHL level. This is comically bad. You can point at Kovy and Parise leaving as much as you want, but the reality is that steps need to be taken now to recover from those losses. And the moves Lou has made thus far show me he does not have long term in mind. At all.

I mean, can you blame him? He won't be here during the inevitable rebuild, so why not spend money now and leave the next guy in line with the mess?

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Rebuilds are terrible ideas.  Yeah, there's not a ton of forwards here.  That's too bad.  But there are a lot of defensemen, and Lou traded for a top goaltender.  The Schneider deal is really the only recent deal that absurdly privileges the present over the future - that and not dropping the 29th overall pick, which he's been to a large degree bailed out for.

 

If the Devils were dropping players left and right for overpriced veterans, sure.  Loktionov was dealt - he wasn't a guy NJ drafted, and I doubt he was in the plans.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 05:39 PM

The only reason I suggested Stevens is because he might actually instill fear in these bozos. Sometimes I look at Deboer and it is Randy Quaid circa 1989. He just seems so meek

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 07:58 PM

go back and read that thread. The first five posts alone were of the opinion that only the bruins were a difficult opponent. I'd qoite but im on my phone. That's beside the point though, I'm just trying to highlight the incredible reactionary nature of these boards. If we won last night does this thread exist? No, so one tough loss is the difference between a serious discussion of firing Lou and deboer and everyone sitting around singing koombaya like we're playoff bound.

There is not a doubt in my mind that Pete has helped this team more than hurt it. We do not have elite scorers (and yes you can blame Lou for that if you want), and the system that we run specifically tries to compensate for that lack. The fact that we are 29th in scoring yet are 4 points out if a playoff spot proves my point. Take a look and let me know how many teams are in the bottom ten in scoring yet are in playoff position. I honestly don't know but I doubt there's many.

Are you blaming pete for Ryder not scoring in over 20 games? Or Brunner disappearing for long stretches? Plenty of other forwards have found the back of the net during these times, so I'm not sure how he is somehow holding these players back.

On a side note for the people complaining about Larsson- do you think him in the lineup makes this a playoff team? As much as is like him up here. I'm not so sure.

 

No no no. Yo are not getting it. I have been saying that DeBoer gets a pass and shouldn't be fired because Ryder can't score. I have said Pete should not be fired at all.  I don't even know who you are addressing. I didn't even say that Pete "hasn't helped this team more than he's hurt it." You are changing the argument, with all due respect. I simply said that Pete's system has not had us scoring more than we otherwise would have because it couldn't really have been much worse.


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 09:46 AM

He didn't fire Lemaire after the 2011 season. I was talking about in-season change.


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