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Posted 17 March 2014 - 02:51 PM

two of those brought Kovalchuk. not every prospect you draft is done with the intention that they make the NHL for you. having high draft picks and lots of them (even after they are drafted) still holds plenty of value.

 

They brought a rental of Kovalchuk, let's be clear.  


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 03:02 PM

They brought a rental of Kovalchuk, let's be clear.  

 

that's true - but the point still stands. i'm mad i can't remember the movie but the line is apropos "some soldiers are for fighting. some are for dying. i think you'll like both?"

 

edit "some slaves are for fighting..some for dying...you need both, i feel, yes?"

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 05:36 PM

just wondering where you think "we are now"? I mean I know literally we're just on the fringe of the playoff race but I'm assuming you mean in the near future as well? For instance let's say that there are very few changes this offseason- we cut ties with some of the older defensemen, sign Cory to an extension and re-sign jägr. Do you think we're in a bad position?

I guess what I'm getting at is I'm still confident that this team can compete for a playoff spot next year without having to make major changes (unless you count firmly installing Cory as the starter "major"). Sure if you want to compare our youth to the sabres or oilers and project 3-5 years down the line we don't look so great, but in reality no gm can look that far ahead and a lot can and will change before then.

 

I still see the team in decline. We're lacking offence since Zach, Kovy and Clarkson left. We covered a little chunk of it and we're not even close to have covered it and yet we know we're gonna lose more very soon with Elias declining, Jagr retiring and Zids leaving somehow. We have absolutely nothing in our system, boucher MIGHT produce but he'll likely simply cover for the loss of one of those guys. We're still incredibly lacking scoring. 

 

Then yeah we can sign players, but we'll have to overpay if we want a scorer and god knows if we'll be able to get one too. Thats up in the air totally. Then through trades? well thats another thing that is up in the air...

 

You look around the league and there's teams already better than us who have SEVERAL top prospects coming their way and we're super dry. I simply don't see how we'll recover from such a blow with the ressources that we have. We've lost wayyyyyy too much at once. Thats why im SO pissed at Lou for letting it happen. We absolutely couldnt afford to lose those guys for nothing. As hard it would have been to trade them, if that was the only way well what can you do. 

 

edit: honestly sorry i had to somewhat bring back parts of that broken record discussion but with the subject and the question asked i couldnt really go around it.


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 06:58 PM

99% of hockey championship caliber teams are built through the draft with a few hired guns.  It takes a long time to build a true competitor.  One that's going to be in the mix for many years.  I wouldn't mind going lean to build towards a champion caliber team again.  If we were ever going to do 14/15 would be the year with the big prize at the draft.  They have a lot of chips that could catch them draft picks and NHL ready players.  It's something Lou has to give a lot of though about in the summer.  Because as currently constructed they are not anything close to a contender.


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 07:23 PM

99% of hockey championship caliber teams are built through the draft with a few hired guns. It takes a long time to build a true competitor. One that's going to be in the mix for many years. I wouldn't mind going lean to build towards a champion caliber team again. If we were ever going to do 14/15 would be the year with the big prize at the draft. They have a lot of chips that could catch them draft picks and NHL ready players. It's something Lou has to give a lot of though about in the summer. Because as currently constructed they are not anything close to a contender.


We don't have the chips that would help land the big prizes in next years draft. In fact outside of already elite players (Kane, Toews, Giroux, Stamkos) a team that looks to realistically be in the hunt for one of the top three picks next year would not trade anything for one of those picks unless it's a Lindros situation where the player absolutely refuses to play there. Otherwise even if we stink next year, assuming you'll get the number one pick is not a strategy.

Look, blowing it up sometimes is the only real option a team has. It was probably the case with Buffalo and Calgary. The Devils are not in that position, at least not for the foreseeable future.


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 10:08 PM

We don't have the chips that would help land the big prizes in next years draft. In fact outside of already elite players (Kane, Toews, Giroux, Stamkos) a team that looks to realistically be in the hunt for one of the top three picks next year would not trade anything for one of those picks unless it's a Lindros situation where the player absolutely refuses to play there. Otherwise even if we stink next year, assuming you'll get the number one pick is not a strategy.

Look, blowing it up sometimes is the only real option a team has. It was probably the case with Buffalo and Calgary. The Devils are not in that position, at least not for the foreseeable future.


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Which is a good thing, and I'll call this season a success if (and it's a big if) we don't resign Marty and Larsson comes back strong and ready to go next year. If he doesn't, I'll always question the decision to send him down for Sal and Volch, especially considering how good he looked before the injury.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 07:21 AM

I still see the team in decline. We're lacking offence since Zach, Kovy and Clarkson left. We covered a little chunk of it and we're not even close to have covered it and yet we know we're gonna lose more very soon with Elias declining, Jagr retiring and Zids leaving somehow. We have absolutely nothing in our system, boucher MIGHT produce but he'll likely simply cover for the loss of one of those guys. We're still incredibly lacking scoring. 

 

Then yeah we can sign players, but we'll have to overpay if we want a scorer and god knows if we'll be able to get one too. Thats up in the air totally. Then through trades? well thats another thing that is up in the air...

 

You look around the league and there's teams already better than us who have SEVERAL top prospects coming their way and we're super dry. I simply don't see how we'll recover from such a blow with the ressources that we have. We've lost wayyyyyy too much at once. Thats why im SO pissed at Lou for letting it happen. We absolutely couldnt afford to lose those guys for nothing. As hard it would have been to trade them, if that was the only way well what can you do. 

 

edit: honestly sorry i had to somewhat bring back parts of that broken record discussion but with the subject and the question asked i couldnt really go around it.

 

The problem with your mentality is that you continue to act as though downturns (and you still haven't seen a real one yet, where you're non-competitive for multiple seasons in a row) are fully preventable, if only this and that had been done.  And the bolded is the bullet point you can't seem to get around...you keep presenting it in a vacuum, as though not losing a player for nothing trumps every other circumstance.  Not going to turn this into a Zach debate, but AGAIN, the Devils were in a playoff hunt at that time, and he was one of their key offensive players who was scoring pretty consistently after a pretty shaky start.  There was no way Lou was going to trade him in that scenario...maybe some other GM would, but it seems unlikely.  

 

And assuming that Lou dealt him, just take a look what Alanta's return for Kovy was.  It's not like a great return on these guys is guaranteed, especially when they're potential rentals, as Zach would've been.  If Lou had gotten similar pieces for Zach, and the Devils fizzle in the playoffs in 2012, and here we are in 2014 with basically very little to show for that deal, Lou would be getting killed for wrecking the mojo of the 2012 team.  If you feel like your team has a legit shot at a championship, sometimes you take your best shot when you can, even if it means, yes, potentially losing a player for nothing.  The Devils had been playing some strong hockey after that 12-12-1 start (buoyed by six shootout wins), so I can understand why Lou wasn't necessarily thinking about 2013 and beyond at the time.       

 

Downturns are not fun to watch, especially when there's still very vivid memories of better times, but there isn't a team in professional sports that doesn't experience them eventually, and sometimes the cost of taking a shot in the present is some lesser years in the future.     


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 07:25 AM

This is getting away from the original topic, but I don't know what more Lou could have done vis-a-vis Zach and Kovy.  The only way he was keeping Kovy was to move the Devils to Russia and make sure Prokhorov bought the team.  The only way he could have kept Zach was offer him around $80-90 million in the '11 offseason, money we didn't have at the time...and even then it would have been iffy cause of the Suter factor.  Or he could have traded him in the offseason but he really would not have gotten anywhere close to market value with Zach coming off a major injury and I can't blame him for thinking if things in ownership could shake out right over the next year he had a decent chance of keeping Zach. 


Yes it sucks we lost those guys for nothing but sometimes events are just beyond your control, Sterio.  You have to accept that and not assume just because something happens there was anything that could have been done about it.  Like CR said, it wasn't realistic to expect him to trade Zach during the season.  


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 08:54 AM

Best example i can give to you guys is Letang and Staal, a year before their contracts we're up Shero made them an offer and if they we're not gonna take it they would have been traded (Staal did) he couldnt afford to lose guys like that on the market, gave the players an ultimatum got a return, or the player.

 

Of course it would have sucked to get rid of Letang at that time but both of those cases we're during the summer.

 

And colorado, Kovy was a UFA rental, it's different and they still got a 1st round pick which brought them Big Buff. That team isnt great but without him they'd be a lot worst. And they later for a 2nd and a 3rd for Oduya.

 

edit: listen we clearly don't agree on this and we'll likely never will. Different mentalities. Fact is now we're lacking offence and we didn't win the cup either, so it would have been the best move "on paper"


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 09:19 AM

Best example i can give to you guys is Letang and Staal, a year before their contracts we're up Shero made them an offer and if they we're not gonna take it they would have been traded (Staal did) he couldnt afford to lose guys like that on the market, gave the players an ultimatum got a return, or the player.

 

Of course it would have sucked to get rid of Letang at that time but both of those cases we're during the summer.

 

And colorado, Kovy was a UFA rental, it's different and they still got a 1st round pick which brought them Big Buff. That team isnt great but without him they'd be a lot worst. And they later for a 2nd and a 3rd for Oduya.

 

For the last time, and I wish you could acknowledge this, is that re-signing an impending UFA was made much easier because of the new CBA, which limited the number of years.  That's why Letang is ultimately still on the Penguins, or why he would have otherwise been traded.  While Staal traded before, it was much easier to trade him, one, because the Penguins didn't need him in the short-term (it's much easier to trade a forward of Staal's caliber when you have Crosby and Malkin), two, they knew that whatever you would sign him to would create a cap crunch, third, Staal had another year left at a time when the owners could reasonably expect to have a new CBA in place that limited the number of years for UFA deals, four, they were hoping to land Suter or Parise.  But really, comparing any team's situation to the Penguins doesn't work.  When you have players like Malkin and Crosby, virtually everyone else on your team becomes expendable so long as the price is right.  (You can basically put Crosby on a team with an AHL roster, and your team is still in playoff contention). 

 

From everything you read, with Zach it basically came down to the Wild and the Devils.  So it is not a case like Kovy, Vanek or whoever that basically told their teams that they would be playing somewhere else the following year.  It was a calculated risk.  Sometimes they pay off, other times they don't. 


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 09:39 AM

edit: listen we clearly don't agree on this and we'll likely never will. Different mentalities. Fact is now we're lacking offence and we didn't win the cup either, so it would have been the best move "on paper"

 

Not winning a Cup doesn't automatically equal failure.  I wouldn't trade that 2012 run for not even trying.  I doubt at the time that you were saying "I really hate watching the Devils make the playoffs and beat two of our most hated rivals on the way to the Finals.  I'd rather Lou have planned for 2013."  Lots of great memories from that run (HENRIQUE!  IT'S OVER!) and I wouldn't trade them for anything.  Sometimes you come up a little short, but that doesn't mean you then break out the hindsight and say "Well, it didn't result in the ultimate prize, so we shouldn't have even tried."  Seriously, what kind of mentality is that?       


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 10:39 AM

Not winning a Cup doesn't automatically equal failure.  I wouldn't trade that 2012 run for not even trying.  I doubt at the time that you were saying "I really hate watching the Devils make the playoffs and beat two of our most hated rivals on the way to the Finals.  I'd rather Lou have planned for 2013."  Lots of great memories from that run (HENRIQUE!  IT'S OVER!) and I wouldn't trade them for anything.  Sometimes you come up a little short, but that doesn't mean you then break out the hindsight and say "Well, it didn't result in the ultimate prize, so we shouldn't have even tried."  Seriously, what kind of mentality is that?       

 

I'm ashamed to say it but if you gave me the option of the Devils winning the Cup but not playing the Rangers at all in the playoffs, or 2012 as it happened, I would have a hard time making a choice.

 

I still see the team in decline. We're lacking offence since Zach, Kovy and Clarkson left. We covered a little chunk of it and we're not even close to have covered it and yet we know we're gonna lose more very soon with Elias declining, Jagr retiring and Zids leaving somehow. We have absolutely nothing in our system, boucher MIGHT produce but he'll likely simply cover for the loss of one of those guys. We're still incredibly lacking scoring. 

 

Then yeah we can sign players, but we'll have to overpay if we want a scorer and god knows if we'll be able to get one too. Thats up in the air totally. Then through trades? well thats another thing that is up in the air...

 

You look around the league and there's teams already better than us who have SEVERAL top prospects coming their way and we're super dry. I simply don't see how we'll recover from such a blow with the ressources that we have. We've lost wayyyyyy too much at once. Thats why im SO pissed at Lou for letting it happen. We absolutely couldnt afford to lose those guys for nothing. As hard it would have been to trade them, if that was the only way well what can you do. 

 

This is as melodramatic and glass half empty as it gets. Most of the things you mention are problems all teams go through at one point and problems that many teams will have to deal with in the coming years. They are also not necessarily problems that will sink a team.

 

It's one thing to say that this team is "in decline" (though every team is in decline at some point - unless you believe a peak can last forever), and it's another thing to say "We have absolutely nothing in our system," and "I simply don't see how we'll recover from such a blow with the resources that we have," That's just plain silly.

 

Additionally, do you really think the Devils are the first team to have lost a bunch of  good players at once? I know another one: the 2007 Devils. They had in the preceding years lost Scott Stevens, Scott Niedermayer, and Brian Rafalski. They recovered to draw multiple star/essential players to the team through the draft and trades and make the Stanley Cup finals in 2012. Stop exaggerating the issue.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 10:50 AM

I hope Laviolette is behind the bench next season. He can get some fire out of this lazy, soft squad.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 10:55 AM

I hope Laviolette is behind the bench next season. He can get some fire out of this lazy, soft squad.

 

I don't think they're lazy at all.  I do think they try.  But it's not a terribly talented bunch, they've got some age on the roster, and when a guy like Ryder isn't producing, it hurts that much more.  Based on who's out there, how much better should they really be?   


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:07 AM

Best example i can give to you guys is Letang and Staal, a year before their contracts we're up Shero made them an offer and if they we're not gonna take it they would have been traded (Staal did) he couldnt afford to lose guys like that on the market, gave the players an ultimatum got a return, or the player."


And who's to say trading Staal didn't cost them a deeper playoff run last year? Funny thing is while you tout the futures they got back for him they gave up a bit of that future renting Iginla and the other players they got at the deadline anyway.
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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:13 AM

Best example i can give to you guys is Letang and Staal, a year before their contracts we're up Shero made them an offer and if they we're not gonna take it they would have been traded (Staal did) he couldnt afford to lose guys like that on the market, gave the players an ultimatum got a return, or the player.

 

Of course it would have sucked to get rid of Letang at that time but both of those cases we're during the summer.

 

Zach was coming off a major injury. We didn't know how good he was going to be, and neither did anyone else. That's part of why he only got a 1 year deal when he was RFA. Nobody would have given anything great to get Zach that offseason. So unless you trade him in the middle of the season, on a team that would go on to the finals, when all indications were we were 1 of 2 teams with a good chance of signing him, there was no way to make a good trade. If you have real solution, for Zach Parise, rather than an example of what a different team, with 2 much different players did, then stop bringing it up.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:27 AM

And who's to say trading Staal didn't cost them a deeper playoff run last year? Funny thing is while you tout the futures they got back for him they gave up a bit of that future renting Iginla and the other players they got at the deadline anyway.

 

Their bottom 6 is still a giant mess.  And looks to be for the foreseeable future, because their minor league forwards are garbage (seems like Shero's been trading a lot of draft picks lately, the cardinal sin)


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:43 AM

Not winning a Cup doesn't automatically equal failure.  I wouldn't trade that 2012 run for not even trying.  I doubt at the time that you were saying "I really hate watching the Devils make the playoffs and beat two of our most hated rivals on the way to the Finals.  I'd rather Lou have planned for 2013."  Lots of great memories from that run (HENRIQUE!  IT'S OVER!) and I wouldn't trade them for anything.  Sometimes you come up a little short, but that doesn't mean you then break out the hindsight and say "Well, it didn't result in the ultimate prize, so we shouldn't have even tried."  Seriously, what kind of mentality is that?       

 

problem is that you're looking at this comparing results. AFTER our cup run that's not where the mistake was made, it was way before that. Go back to that summer when Lou made the decision, he didnt know he'd make it to the cup finals. I dont think nobody really thought we could make it either.

 

And dont get me wrong with what you said that i said. Of course i enjoyed the cup run but ultimately the results of that is years and years of failures so far and it's not about to get that much better.

 

 

Lou admitted running out of time in negotiations that summer after waiting last minute to even start talking with Zach. he ADMITTED IT, then he DID NOT made the decision knowing that they'd make it to the finals with him. Come on now. 

 

I fvcking loved Zach but put me in Lou's shoes and if i would have known that i couldnt sign my top player long-term, i wouldnt just milk his last season risking losing him for nothing. There's absolutely no way. Now people will bring up the financial issues, well thing is they we're not settle that summer, and they we're still not settled when Lou made his offer before free agency few days before july 1st. So that theory is quite out of the window. 


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:44 AM

And who's to say trading Staal didn't cost them a deeper playoff run last year? Funny thing is while you tout the futures they got back for him they gave up a bit of that future renting Iginla and the other players they got at the deadline anyway.

 

That's kind of flimsy to be honest.  They made it to the conference finals, and got swept by an incredibly hot Boston team.  I suppose you can invoke the butterfly effect, but it's hard to imagine that Staal would have made much of a difference there. 


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:45 AM

Zach was coming off a major injury. We didn't know how good he was going to be, and neither did anyone else. That's part of why he only got a 1 year deal when he was RFA. Nobody would have given anything great to get Zach that offseason. So unless you trade him in the middle of the season, on a team that would go on to the finals, when all indications were we were 1 of 2 teams with a good chance of signing him, there was no way to make a good trade. If you have real solution, for Zach Parise, rather than an example of what a different team, with 2 much different players did, then stop bringing it up.

 

Lou said Zach's injury was never even brought up in negotiations that they trust their medical staff and bla bla. Again, people will simplybelieve what they want to believe even if its Lou.


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