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#201 '7'

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 09:52 PM

Here's what's coming up the rest of the week

 

3-1 loss to Minnesota. Parise scored the empty net winner to a chorus of boos as he smugly grins and skates back to the Wild bench

 

12,000 Rag fans in the building on Saturday as the Rangers beat us 4-1. Highly audible Maaaarty or Cooooorrry depending on who is sacrificed that day. Devils give up multiple 2-0's and 3-0's.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 10:09 PM

No one likes losing, and I am sure for most here this is uncharted waters for Devils fans, but there doesn't need to be one scapegoat. You want Deboer gone...fine. There is a good chance he is, but this really has not much to do with him.

 

This team is just not very good at all. Fans have been clamoring for Gelinas. Well you got him, and once again he showed, despite the offensive boost he could bring, he can't play a lick of defense. Not a lick. I think two goals were on him. People want to get upset that you Gelinas and Merrill were on the ice together late....again it's late, you are down 4-2. You fvcking roll the dice. This wasn't a tie game late. They were down two goals. You want Gelinas to be out there with Salvador? I feel that some people will find anything to blame Pete with. You dress him. You play him when you are down, and you do it with someone that can move the puck too. Wasn't everyone loving the Gelinas-Larsson tandem months ago?

 

Zubrus is finished. Rutuu is who we thought he was. Ryder is just awful. Brunner is struggling. Clowe is Clowe. Elias is 37. Brunner is slumping again. You rely on Jagr at 42 to be the offensive catalyst every night..with the linemates he gets to play with?

 

A new coach will not save this team. A new coach trying to get these players to play any differently than say...they have for most of the year...will only be a bigger recipe for trouble. This team will most likely struggle with any coach next season. Forget about the coach, and look at this lineup. Do you think a coach is missing the link?

 

What this team needed tonight was a Zach Parise. They needed an lya Kovalchuk. And they needed a David Clarkson tonight.

 

There are a lot of bubble teams around the league. The ones that are stepping up are the better teams that have had better goaltending and better star players to lead them each night. Not ones that have a coach that motivates them more. You want a coach that goes in and just screams and yells at a team that isn't good enough to win games. Well that was probably Deboer in Florida. You'll have a team quitting on a coach much faster that way. NHL players tune those coaches out.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 10:19 PM

No one likes losing, and I am sure for most here this is uncharted waters for Devils fans, but there doesn't need to be one scapegoat. You want Deboer gone...fine. There is a good chance he is, but this really has not much to do with him.

This team is just not very good at all. Fans have been clamoring for Gelinas. Well you got him, and once again he showed, despite the offensive boost he could bring, he can't play a lick of defense. Not a lick. I think two goals were on him. People want to get upset that you Gelinas and Merrill were on the ice together late....again it's late, you are down 4-2. You fvcking roll thed ice. This wasn't a tie game late. They were down two goals. You want Gelinas to be out there with Salvador? I feel that some people will find anything to blame Pete with. You dress him. You play him when you are down, and you do it with someone that can move the puck too. Wasn't everyone loving the Gelinas-Larsson tandem months ago?

Zubrus is finished. Rutuu is who we thought he was. Ryder is just awful. Brunner is struggling. Clowe is Clowe. Elias is 37. Brunner is slumping again. You rely on Jagr at 42 to be the offensive catalyst every night..with the linemates he gets to play with?

A new coach will not save this team. A new coach trying to get these players to play any differently than say...they have for most of the year...will only be a bigger recipe for trouble. This team will most likely struggle with any coach next season. Forget about the coach, and look at this lineup. Do you think a coach is missing the link?

What this team needed tonight was a Zach Parise. They needed an lya Kovalchuk. And they needed a David Clarkson tonight.

There are a lot of bubble teams around the league. The ones that are stepping up are the better teams that have had better goaltending and better star players to lead them each night. Not ones that have a coach that motivates them more. You want a coach that goes in and just screams and yells at a team that isn't good enough to win games. Well that was probably Deboer in Florida. You'll have a team quitting on a coach much faster that way. NHL players tune those coaches out.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 10:22 PM

Well said dr33, and I hate saying this but the blame should be falling on Lou. After missing the playoffs 3 of the past 4 years I'm ready for a major change.
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Posted 18 March 2014 - 10:33 PM

No one likes losing, and I am sure for most here this is uncharted waters for Devils fans, but there doesn't need to be one scapegoat. You want Deboer gone...fine. There is a good chance he is, but this really has not much to do with him.

This team is just not very good at all. Fans have been clamoring for Gelinas. Well you got him, and once again he showed, despite the offensive boost he could bring, he can't play a lick of defense. Not a lick. I think two goals were on him. People want to get upset that you Gelinas and Merrill were on the ice together late....again it's late, you are down 4-2. You fvcking roll the dice. This wasn't a tie game late. They were down two goals. You want Gelinas to be out there with Salvador? I feel that some people will find anything to blame Pete with. You dress him. You play him when you are down, and you do it with someone that can move the puck too. Wasn't everyone loving the Gelinas-Larsson tandem months ago?

Zubrus is finished. Rutuu is who we thought he was. Ryder is just awful. Brunner is struggling. Clowe is Clowe. Elias is 37. Brunner is slumping again. You rely on Jagr at 42 to be the offensive catalyst every night..with the linemates he gets to play with?

A new coach will not save this team. A new coach trying to get these players to play any differently than say...they have for most of the year...will only be a bigger recipe for trouble. This team will most likely struggle with any coach next season. Forget about the coach, and look at this lineup. Do you think a coach is missing the link?

What this team needed tonight was a Zach Parise. They needed an lya Kovalchuk. And they needed a David Clarkson tonight.

There are a lot of bubble teams around the league. The ones that are stepping up are the better teams that have had better goaltending and better star players to lead them each night. Not ones that have a coach that motivates them more. You want a coach that goes in and just screams and yells at a team that isn't good enough to win games. Well that was probably Deboer in Florida. You'll have a team quitting on a coach much faster that way. NHL players tune those coaches out.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 10:39 PM

that's a real nice post dr33.

 

it's a team that needed everything to go right and for the coach to maximize the chances for that to happen. neither did and here we are.

 

i hope and pray that this season makes no player truly safe and lou looks at cold hard facts:

 

the following players have NO business being on the team next year: brodeur, salvador, bernier, carter.

 

the following players need to be marginalized and made to be minor characters: zubrus, ruutu, volchenkov

 

xxxx-zajac-jagr

henrique-elias-xxxx

brunner-xxxx-clowe

rutuu-zubrus-sislo

 

greene-larsson

merrill-fayne

gelinas-volchenkov

harrold

 

schneider

xxxxx

 

fill those x's


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 10:41 PM

Doesn't help that Pete and Lou systematically dispose of any kind of speed (Josefson, Tedenby, Loiktionov, Larsson) because it doesn't fit with the 'system'.  If you want to say none of those players are any good maybe that's true in the first three cases, but it's an organizational flaw that isn't linked to the lack of talent.  We keep going slow, slower and slowest and wonder why teams skate around us.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 10:45 PM

that's a real nice post dr33.

 

it's a team that needed everything to go right and for the coach to maximize the chances for that to happen. neither did and here we are.

 

i hope and pray that this season makes no player truly safe and lou looks at cold hard facts:

 

the following players have NO business being on the team next year: brodeur, salvador, bernier, carter.

 

the following players need to be marginalized and made to be minor characters: zubrus, ruutu, volchenkov

 

xxxx-zajac-jagr

henrique-elias-xxxx

brunner-xxxx-clowe

rutuu-zubrus-sislo

 

greene-larsson

merrill-fayne

gelinas-volchenkov

harrold

 

schneider

xxxxx

 

fill those x's

 

Want to know who to blame? Look at that 4th line..and you aren't so wrong with that one. That's an $8 million+ 4th line even with an NHL min player on it.

 

Lou has had some bad luck with Parise and Kovy, but he has really failed at evaluating his own players that he sees every night. You can't do that as a GM.

 

Be careful what you wish for with that defense. It sounds great, but I expect a lot of hiccups along the way with that group. Might be very nice though.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 10:57 PM

that's a real nice post dr33.

 

it's a team that needed everything to go right and for the coach to maximize the chances for that to happen. neither did and here we are.

 

i hope and pray that this season makes no player truly safe and lou looks at cold hard facts:

 

the following players have NO business being on the team next year: brodeur, salvador, bernier, carter.

 

the following players need to be marginalized and made to be minor characters: zubrus, ruutu, volchenkov

 

xxxx-zajac-jagr

henrique-elias-xxxx

brunner-xxxx-clowe

rutuu-zubrus-sislo

 

greene-larsson

merrill-fayne

gelinas-volchenkov

harrold

 

schneider

xxxxx

 

fill those x's

Good stuff DR33 and sundy. Agree with a lot. 

 

That defense would be a dream come true and make too much damn sense but I'm hoping that's what we trot out next year. If Lou dumps Sal and lets Zidlicky walk I will be in utter shock. Also, I start to wonder how active Lou is in regards to trades. The deck is full of defensemen, and clearly we need a forward. Is this the offseason one of these defensemen gets dealt?


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:02 PM

I kind of expect one of the kids to be gone this offseason, maybe two.  If Lou's going to keep Pete around AGAIN after a non-playoff season then he'd better improve the talent and get him vets he's not going to send to the doghouse the minute they aren't perfect.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:18 PM

Just once before the end of this season I'd love to see the Gelly/Larsson pairing back together. They were SO GOOD together before Larsson went down/got sent down and Gelinas looked at his best. Will it work again? No idea, but I'd at least like to find out.


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:20 PM

That'll be one of the great what ifs in Devils history, cause I don't think we'll ever see that again...I definitely see at least either Larsson or Gelly gone, one way or another before next season.


What burns my *** is with Larsson-Gelly rocking that's when we had our only real sustained stretch of the season (winning five of six against GOOD competition).


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:31 PM

That'll be one of the great what ifs in Devils history, cause I don't think we'll ever see that again...I definitely see at least either Larsson or Gelly gone, one way or another before next season.
What burns my *** is with Larsson-Gelly rocking that's when we had our only real sustained stretch of the season (winning five of six against GOOD competition).


Exactly. There's not one scapegoat for the season but there have certainly been sooooooooooo many head scratching personnel decisions that I think it's fair to move on from both Lou and Pete.
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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:33 PM

I mean I know people say you can't just hand young guys spots but you can't bury them at the first sign of trouble either.  At some point the '95 Devils had to transition over to Elias-Sykora-White-Rafalski-Gomez-etc.  What's our under-25 core at the moment?  Merrill, an overmatched version of a young Mark Fayne?  Henrique, who randomly gets hot for two weeks and then dissapears again?


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:52 PM

I mean I know people say you can't just hand young guys spots but you can't bury them at the first sign of trouble either.  At some point the '95 Devils had to transition over to Elias-Sykora-White-Rafalski-Gomez-etc.  What's our under-25 core at the moment?  Merrill, an overmatched version of a young Mark Fayne?  Henrique, who randomly gets hot for two weeks and then dissapears again?

 

I guess Boucher would have to be in there.

 

Damon Severson?


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Posted 19 March 2014 - 02:31 AM

Thank heavens Tim Sestito was in the lineup, where would we have been without him?


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Posted 19 March 2014 - 02:59 AM

It's simple Lou Lams has to go.

It's just that simple.

Marty leaving would be helpful as well.
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Posted 19 March 2014 - 04:17 AM

that's a real nice post dr33.

 

it's a team that needed everything to go right and for the coach to maximize the chances for that to happen. neither did and here we are.

 

i hope and pray that this season makes no player truly safe and lou looks at cold hard facts:

 

the following players have NO business being on the team next year: brodeur, salvador, bernier, carter.

 

the following players need to be marginalized and made to be minor characters: zubrus, ruutu, volchenkov

 

xxxx-zajac-jagr

henrique-elias-xxxx

brunner-xxxx-clowe

rutuu-zubrus-sislo

 

greene-larsson

merrill-fayne

gelinas-volchenkov

harrold

 

schneider

xxxxx

 

fill those x's

 

The funny part is that mentally, you've marginalised Gionta so much you didn't even mention him, and nobody else noticed.


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Posted 19 March 2014 - 04:39 AM

It's simple Lou Lams has to go.

It's just that simple.

Marty leaving would be helpful as well.

 

Unfortunately #30 will be in Camp in September   :doh1:


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Posted 19 March 2014 - 05:08 AM

All I wanna know is where did a) Marty's ability to boost shooting percentages go and b) why doesn't this team win for him/score for him anymore?

 

Oh wait.  :thumbsup:


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