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#121 NJDevils1214

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 09:40 AM

I will pay for all of us to go see him play for the Leafs. 85% save percentage seems about right. Granted he'll have 15 assists to Kessel.

He'll be exposed, much like Clarkson, wherever he ends up.

I don't think he needs to be exposed anymore. He is already doing/done that on and off the ice. Other teams certainly aren't oblivious.I also wouldn't be surprised if teams motivation for pursuing him was mainly to fill some more seats and sell some jerseys similar to what Jagr can do for a team.


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 10:03 AM

Actually in your first example, I just meant they'd move the SS prospect to the other position, not Jeter.  You're right though...if he was bad enough over a long period it could turn into a 'should Jeter be benched' in general debate as opposed to just benching him for any specific player.


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 12:38 PM

Even casual baseball fans know that batting average defines how good a player is (I mean it doesn't, but let's assume that it does).  They have no idea that save percentage defines how good a goalie is.  That's what it comes down to - simple ignorance of the basic stats.  

 

If Jeter were hitting .220 in June, a lot of Yankee fans would say, oh, he'll turn it around, he's Derek Jeter.  But Brodeur with a .903 SV% which is basically the equivalent - fans don't realize that there's anything wrong.  Part of this is because baseball is a game of failure whereas hockey goalie is a game of successes - any fan can point to 'great saves' a goalie makes.  This is how Mike Vernon won a Conn Smythe trophy and how Grant Fuhr went to the Hall of Fame.

 

(As a sidenote, as a Yankees fan and Devils fan, it's great the number of championships I've witnessed, but watching Jeter and Brodeur go through parallel declines has been really tough to take.  At least one will be gone at the end of this calendar year.)


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 04:18 PM

And if anyone thinks Lou doesn't have a hand in the goaltending situation playing out the way it has this year well I don't know what to tell you.  Marty wasn't playing at all before the Olympics then after his meeting with Lou now he's suddenly playing every second game out of the break, then after Cory's first real slip Marty's the starter again.  They've let him get away with murder vis-a-vis his public complaining, even upping his games played after he complains and I don't think that's Pete either.  Pete chained him to the bench after the Yankee Stadium debacle. 

 

This ignores every conceivable fact and substitutes with imagination. Marty didn't play again until Cory sh!t the bed. Saying, "Lou did this because well, just cause..." is not a valid argument.


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 10:37 PM

This interview is for everyone who thinks Brodeur does nothing wrong and just asks the questions during his availability. This is Brodeur agreeing to a special interview request by a reporter who has been on the beat for 3 full months. The comments are ridiculous. 100% uncalled for comments.

 

On another note, although Avery is a classless douche, Brodeur still deserved to get fired on by Avery for even addressing his stint with Dancing on the Stars. You go after Avery...well...you are going to get burned hard. This is what happens when you've never heard of the words "no comment".

 

That was my take on it. It was a dumb topic to begin with by a desperate reporter looking for a story. Randy Miller has a job for what purpose? As for Marty, I always felt he was egotistical. It didn't show until recently. I guess it just happens. The whole MB30 thing and basically having influence after winning three Cups. Before the trade deadline, I thought he'd stay. But not the way it resulted with basically a Daily News leak killing a deal with Minnesota. The odd thing is his shadow will still loom over Schneider after he's gone because there will be immense pressure on him to finally be the guy. Even in a good statistical year, Schneider hasn't proven himself yet. I'll be curious to see what they do in the offseason for a backup.


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 10:42 PM

Actually in your first example, I just meant they'd move the SS prospect to the other position, not Jeter.  You're right though...if he was bad enough over a long period it could turn into a 'should Jeter be benched' in general debate as opposed to just benching him for any specific player.

 

As a huge Yankees fan and big Jeter guy, it has worked out because Derek defied logic by staying healthy most of his career. Despite playing a tough position, he was able to start most games and still produce. The brilliance of Jeter has been his leadership and professionalism. He's so team oriented. Though once the injuries started, it changed everything probably making him reconsider hanging around. It's a lot more work rehabbing and preparing for the season. Rivera's final year definitely had an impact. I'm glad this is it for him but of course also sad. DJ is the last of our generation. A throwback player who could've played in any era.


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 10:51 PM

I have a decent amount of friends that watch almost every game and still think Brodeur deserves to be the #1 and that he isn't finished. Like NJDevs4978 said, for a lot of people, their love and respect for Brodeur clouds their judgement.

 

In many aspects, it reminds me of the conclusion of Messier's career. He returned the second time and it was a disaster. He always got too much ice-time and took minutes away from players they brought in and younger players. I shudder to think what might've been if 2004-05 wasn't canceled. There will always be diehards who will remain loyal to the bitter end with legendary stars. It's very easy for that to cloud their judgment and what's best for a franchise moving forward. Ironically, Ottawa made that difficult decision with Alfredsson letting him walk to Detroit. They replaced him with Ryan, who played hurt before his season ended. However, it hasn't worked out. The Sens are one of the league's most disappointing teams. Sometimes, it's hard to replace that leadership.


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 11:05 PM

This ignores every conceivable fact and substitutes with imagination. Marty didn't play again until Cory sh!t the bed. Saying, "Lou did this because well, just cause..." is not a valid argument.

 

Marty played the second game after the Olympics after Cory WON the first game back.  Marty played the fourth game after the Olympics after Cory suffered a tough loss to the Sharks that wasn't his fault.  Cory didn't sh!t the bed until his third post-Olympic start but they were splitting games from the hop (Marty was already slated to start in Carolina win, lose or draw for Cory in Detroit).  Essentially the first start to be affected by Cory's bad play was the Philly game, after they'd already split six games.


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 11:48 PM

You're molding the facts to fit your statements. Marty started on March 1st vs. the Isles so Cory could start March 2nd vs. the Sharks. Cory got the home game and the more important game. "Cory suffered a tough loss to the Sharks." Again, mold the facts. Cory allowed 4 goals on 22 shots that game; a save pct. of .818. Cory's previous game, he had a save pct. of .895. Marty posted a .947 in his game vs. the Isles so Pete decided to put him back in the rotation after not playing for a month and only a few games in the month before that (Cory played double in Jan.) Some theory you have here, when Cory doesn't play it's Lou's fault but when only Cory was playing that was Pete's choice. 

 

I digress. So Marty got the next March start on the 4th vs. Detroit. This was an alternation based on Cory's drop in play. Marty was not very good, he put up an .870 vs. the Wings. Cory got the next start on March 7 and proceeded to let in more goals, 7, than Marty did in the Yankee Stadium game, 6. Did Cory get benched like Marty did? Nope. Marty played the next day (obviously) and wasn't great with an .879. However, in his previous 3 games, Cory put up an .803 save pct. So Marty got March 11th in which he put up a .968 save pct. Nonetheless, Cory got the next start. He put up an .810, bringing his post-break four game total to a whopping .804. Still though, Cory gets to play after just 2 starts by Marty because Marty put up a .906 and an .871 in those games. What does Cory do? Puts up an .870, bringing his post-break 5 game total up to a mind-bendingly great .817. Still, the 2 goalies are alternating.

 

Let's eliminate all of that though. How about the past 4 games? 2 starts for Cory (against the Islanders and Maple Leafs) and he puts up a .930. 2 starts for Marty (against the Rangers and Coyotes) and he puts up a .943. This is not a mystery folks; people are just getting carried away.

 

Now, trivia question: Did I argue that Marty is the better goalie?

 

Answer: No. My only point is to address the ridiculous assertions being made here and all over the board.


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 12:04 AM

Fact is Marty played two back-to-back games and a non back-to-back that had very little to do with Cory's performance.  And Marty wasn't even playing back-to-backs before the Olympics so it wasn't an automatic split heading into the break.  It shouldn't have been an automatic split the first six games after the break.  He was announced as the starter for the Isle game before Cory even played the Jackets.  He was given the start for the Tuesday Wings game (at that point the most important of the season mind you) clearly in part because of all the trade speculation.  Then he was given the Canes game on Saturday before the Wings game on Friday.  Spin it any way you want, it was premeditated...and Pete wasn't announcing starters a full game in advance before the break for the most part.


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 12:15 AM

Fact is Marty played two back-to-back games and a non back-to-back that had very little to do with Cory's performance.  And Marty wasn't even playing back-to-backs before the Olympics so it wasn't an automatic split heading into the break.  It shouldn't have been an automatic split the first six games after the break.  He was announced as the starter for the Isle game before Cory even played the Jackets.  He was given the start for the Tuesday Wings game (at that point the most important of the season mind you) clearly in part because of all the trade speculation.  Then he was given the Canes game on Saturday before the Wings game on Friday.  Spin it any way you want, it was premeditated...and Pete wasn't announcing starters a full game in advance before the break for the most part.

 

This ignores everything I have just pointed out and replaces it with spin. Saying 'fact is' proves nothing. The FACT is that none of what you have provided is fact. I have provided clear numbers that demonstrated no conspiracy (especially on the part of Lou) and a completely clear reasoning for the alternation in starts. Your OP  and this post of yours are a complete reach to save the point. I will wait on evidence, but I have already provided all of it.


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 12:19 AM

They announced Brodeur as the starter a game in advance for two straight back-to-backs...this IS fact, not opinion.  

 

If you want to post numbers how about Cory's numbers before the break?  So after Cory dominated going into the break and won his first game coming out of it, then Marty gets two of the next three games?  How does that make any sense?  


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 12:27 AM

They announced Brodeur as the starter a game in advance for two straight back-to-backs...this IS fact, not opinion.  

 

If you want to post numbers how about Cory's numbers before the break?  So after Cory dominated going into the break and won his first game coming out of it, then Marty gets two of the next three games?  How does that make any sense?

 

I am not denying any of Cory's pre-break numbers. I have no bias on the subject. What do his pre-break numbers have to do with anything? He has not been put into the backup's role at all because of how well he played - unlike Marty for whom it only took one game for that to happen. I posted the numbers I did, because again, they clearly show reason behind the starts.

 

This is probably why I correctly predicted the starter for the last few games now while everyone else acts so surprised: not because of some great secret I know but because I am taking an honest, objective look at the situation. At this point I feel like you are trying to justify what you have surprisingly learned is not true.

 

Edit: And as such. it is clear why Marty started those 2 games. Clear. See: My OP.


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 12:34 AM

If you think Marty was put into the backup role based on 'one' game when his save percentage for the season was below .900 I don't know what to tell you other than you're the one showing bias.  Cory was already the starter six of the previous eight games before the Yankee Stadium sideshow.

 

And btw I'm haven't been genuinely 'surprised' at who the starter's been for the majority of games since the break either.  But you attributing it solely to stats is nieve...save percentage numbers weren't determining who was starting earlier in the season.  Plus you're comparing save percentage stats in single games against the Islanders and Sharks as if they were equal difficulty.


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 12:45 AM

If you think Marty was put into the backup role based on 'one' game when his save percentage for the season was below .900 I don't know what to tell you other than you're the one showing bias.  Cory was already the starter six of the previous eight games before the Yankee Stadium sideshow.

 

And btw I'm haven't been genuinely 'surprised' at who the starter's been for the majority of games since the break either.  But you attributing it solely to stats is nieve...save percentage numbers weren't determining who was starting earlier in the season.  Plus you're comparing save percentage stats in single games against the Islanders and Sharks as if they were equal difficulty.

 

No, my point is that one blow up game was the straw that did it - that saw Marty not starting at all. Cory had multiple below .900 games before his .788, 7-goal game. 

 

I am not comparing stats from any one game vs. another. I am comparing stats from all the games vs. each other. Marty's starts against the Rangers and Coyotes with a .943 must be so much better than Cory's starts against the Maple Leafs and Islanders with a .930 right? NO! Nor did I make that claim because I don't think it's worthy to do so.

 

Point is, you need to prove that there was collusion on the part of Lou, and you have not done that. My numbers serve to dispel the notion in clear terms and I think they serve to do that. 


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 05:03 PM

Have we discussed his latest comments on the board?

 

 

His requirements are simple.

“I’m not going to sit more than I sit this year. That’s not something I want,” Brodeur said. “If I come back, it’s not a question of money. It’s because I still love it and I still enjoy the game.

“And I want to be in a position to have another shot (at winning), no matter what role I’m in. To me it would seem empty to leave without having a chance of winning something. Hopefully it will be this year and that will change a lot about my decision and what I’m going to do in my future.”

 

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 05:09 PM

He's leaving.  I think what will end up happening is that he waits - hey, the media'll be talking about him all the time, but Brodeur doesn't pay attention to that stuff, he just sits down with reporters all the time because he's being honest - until someone gets hurt and he can be a starter somewhere for a while.  He'll do that, likely be bad, and retire.


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 05:20 PM

He's leaving.  I think what will end up happening is that he waits - hey, the media'll be talking about him all the time, but Brodeur doesn't pay attention to that stuff, he just sits down with reporters all the time because he's being honest - until someone gets hurt and he can be a starter somewhere for a while.  He'll do that, likely be bad, and retire.

 

His demands are ridiculous. Wants more games than this year on a solid team. People all over the league are laughing at it.

 

They mentioned in a bit in Ottawa during the intermission because of Anthony's comments and his comments today, and it is joke after joke.


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 05:29 PM

I love that he thinks that like we've oppressed him by "only" giving him half the starts. He's in for a cruel fvcking wake-up call.


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 05:55 PM

His demands are ridiculous. Wants more games than this year on a solid team. People all over the league are laughing at it.

 

They mentioned in a bit in Ottawa during the intermission because of Anthony's comments and his comments today, and it is joke after joke.

 

A bit, like  a comedy bit? ... What were Anthony's comments?


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