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#161 Neb00rs

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 12:10 PM

I think Lou is getting ready to retire. I have always seen him going out the door with Marty.


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Posted 31 March 2014 - 12:36 PM

If this team misses the playoffs again (and we know there's a VERY good chance that it will), I think you're going to see some changes.  I think even with the 2012 run, I don't think Lou is comfortable missing the playoffs three out of four seasons.

 

I've posted this already, but the good news is if Lou really wants to make changes, he can.  Exactly three players are signed beyond 2015-16:  Zajac, Henrique, and Clowe.  No truly disastrous, hard-to-move contracts on the books.  Of course, whether you trust Lou to make the right moves is a different debate, but this is not a team with several underperforming players tied up in high-priced, long-term deals. 

 

I believe what Sterio is talking about here is specifically Brodeur talking about all of these things to the media - Lou is typically not okay with this kind of candor.  Little bit of nuance lost in translation, I think.


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Posted 31 March 2014 - 12:52 PM

I believe what Sterio is talking about here is specifically Brodeur talking about all of these things to the media - Lou is typically not okay with this kind of candor.  Little bit of nuance lost in translation, I think.

 

Yeah, this makes sense, especially within the context of the thread.


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Posted 01 April 2014 - 03:00 PM

this could be what Kinkaid needs to come up as Cory's backup. If Marty goes, Kinkaid comes up to NJ, Wedgewood becomes Albany starter, and Maxime Clermont can get called up to back Wedgewood up. As much as i'd hate to see Marty go, its time to move on.


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Posted 04 April 2014 - 04:18 AM

this could be what Kinkaid needs to come up as Cory's backup. If Marty goes, Kinkaid comes up to NJ, Wedgewood becomes Albany starter, and Maxime Clermont can get called up to back Wedgewood up. As much as i'd hate to see Marty go, its time to move on.


I originally thought it might be Marty for 2 more years with Kinkaid as backup...now that Cory is here I like this goalie situation even more!

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 07:59 AM

10 days left as a Devil....

 

 

unless Lou re-signs him for 2014-15


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 01:33 PM

Marty is really pissing me off lately...

 


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 02:05 PM

Marty is really pissing me off lately...

You had me there SD, I thought Marty opened his mouth again lol.


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 03:02 PM

Im really curious if any other team will offer him anything. Still believe the devs will offer him a final year if he chooses to keep playing.
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Posted 06 April 2014 - 03:21 PM

Im really curious if any other team will offer him anything. Still believe the devs will offer him a final year if he chooses to keep playing.

 

It's interesting that the Wild were looking at Brodeur but for whatever reason (the Wild decided against it, Lou never was going to trade Marty, etc) they went with Bryzgalov. So far Ilya, is 5-0-3 with the Wild with a .920 save percentage and 2 shutouts.

 

They couldn't be happier with what has transpired. It's a reminder that many goalies can give you a level of play (for whatever amount of time) that you'd have to be kidding yourself to believe that a 42-year-old goalie can match at any point.

 

I don't see anyone going after Brodeur. Besides him being atrocious over the last few years, you are getting more problems than signing any other goalie. Brodeur has already said he has to get more games than this year. Who can offer him that? What happens if a team thinks they can give him what he wants, but another goalie clearly outplays him? Is Brodeur going to stick around and sit on the bench for 60 games for a new team? I don't think so. Not a good situation to have a goalie saying goodbye mid season.

 

I think Brodeur knows there is not a place for him here in New Jersey. He's actually been very respectful of Cory when he gets a large run of games. His issue was never that Cory was starting over him but rather he just wasn't playing. It's a difference. He knows Cory is the better goalie, but he selfishly wants to play. I say selfishly only because he just isn't good enough anymore.

 

It's kind of sad with Brodeur. He has accomplished everything there is to accomplish, but he isn't ready to retire. He'll eventually make that call, but it probably won't be him going out on his own terms. So I say it's sad because there is a great chance the entire league says "Sorry Marty, thanks, but no thanks."

 

In his mind he probably thinks he still has it. That's been his message all year. He just needs to play. That isn't how it works though. For every game like the one against Philly (a really nice game and one that he thinks proves his point), there is an okay game and two bad ones. Playing 55-65 games is not going to change that.

 

The only thing I'll find interesting is who blinks first between Lou and Marty. Is Lou able to tell Marty that the Devils need to move on without him? Can Lou put aside his personal and professional admiration for Brodeur to make that call? And can Marty make a decision to step away without putting Lou in such a tough spot?


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 06:16 PM

Someone hit this man in the head with a frying pan to wake his ass up to reality.
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Posted 06 April 2014 - 06:19 PM

Look, Brodeur clearly sees to some degree that he might not find a place in the NHL next year, because he said so in one of his many interviews.  And I think he sees the writing on the wall here - including the Winter Classic, he's started 9 of the last 24 games, Schneider has started 15.  That's a 51-31 split over an 82 game season, and that's the ratio he's looking at here going forward, at best.  So he wants to play and for a winner, but he recognizes, in his tortured language, that winning teams might not want such an old goalie.

 

I think 'going out on your own terms' is for fans.  I don't blame players who want to keep playing.  They train your whole life to do something, they're one of the best in the world at it, and most guys won't get to a high level in anything else they do.  For Brodeur to go out on his own terms - that ship sailed 2 years ago.  There's a few great athletes who've managed it - most do not.  But fans forget about those years.


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 06:59 PM

Look, Brodeur clearly sees to some degree that he might not find a place in the NHL next year, because he said so in one of his many interviews.  And I think he sees the writing on the wall here - including the Winter Classic, he's started 9 of the last 24 games, Schneider has started 15.  That's a 51-31 split over an 82 game season, and that's the ratio he's looking at here going forward, at best.  So he wants to play and for a winner, but he recognizes, in his tortured language, that winning teams might not want such an old goalie.

 

I think 'going out on your own terms' is for fans.  I don't blame players who want to keep playing.  They train your whole life to do something, they're one of the best in the world at it, and most guys won't get to a high level in anything else they do.  For Brodeur to go out on his own terms - that ship sailed 2 years ago.  There's a few great athletes who've managed it - most do not.  But fans forget about those years.

 

You are probably right...re: going out on your own terms, but Brodeur has not done himself any favours. I also think that most of the NHL greats have done a good job knowing when his time is up. His latest comments that went around show he really doesn't get it totally.

 

Brodeur's legacy should be pretty interesting, and I imagine his career will be  examined and interrogated quite a bit as more advanced stats become more mainstream. The blog "Brodeur is a Fraud" looked into a lot of the things that made Brodeur overrated, and with the criteria changing on how we are judging goalies...who knows how he will be looked at.

 

I know the two things aren't closely related, but perhaps it becomes more pages to the haters case file.


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 09:01 PM

Brodeur is still going to be regarded as one of the top 5 goalies of all time even if there is a re-evaluation.  'Brodeur is a Fraud' - which by the way has changed its name as Brodeur's legacy has been re-evaluated among the true cognoscenti - has merely pointed out that A: Brodeur doesn't have a super-high SV% and that he has a mid-career SV% gap and that he's really not super better than all his peers.  What Brodeur gained by having by far the most disciplined team in the NHL (thereby increasing SV% because SV% decreases in 4 on 5 situations and decreases substantially in 3 on 5 situations) in front of him he lost with NJ's scorer who has nicked him of a shot or two a game for the last 20 years.

 

The real critical thing is that there don't seem to be many potential successors to the Brodeur throne.  Rask and Schneider got a super late start to their careers.  Luongo spent half his career on bad teams.  Lundqvist is excellent - the Rangers are going all-in-ish these next 2 years so we'll see if they manage a Cup.  The last two Calder winning goalies were Mason and Raycroft and teams have stopped drafting goalies in the top 10 of the NHL draft - there isn't a ready-made narrative for great goaltender anymore.


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 06:12 AM

Of the current keepers,   Fleury has a very long shot of getting near Brodeur's Wins Totals.  To do so, Fleury would have to be as successful in the second half of his career as he has been in his first half, and that is a tall order for any athlete, indeed.


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 06:57 AM

Look, Brodeur clearly sees to some degree that he might not find a place in the NHL next year, because he said so in one of his many interviews.  And I think he sees the writing on the wall here - including the Winter Classic, he's started 9 of the last 24 games, Schneider has started 15.  That's a 51-31 split over an 82 game season, and that's the ratio he's looking at here going forward, at best.  So he wants to play and for a winner, but he recognizes, in his tortured language, that winning teams might not want such an old goalie.

 

I think 'going out on your own terms' is for fans.  I don't blame players who want to keep playing.  They train your whole life to do something, they're one of the best in the world at it, and most guys won't get to a high level in anything else they do.  For Brodeur to go out on his own terms - that ship sailed 2 years ago.  There's a few great athletes who've managed it - most do not.  But fans forget about those years.

 

It made sense that everyone involved wanted Marty to keep playing for the Devils beyond 2012.  For one, he'd just come off a terrific 50-game stretch of .920+ play.  For another, even if they had wanted to, it's not like the Devils had anywhere else to go...they had Hedberg, Frazee, and Kinkaid from within...sure, Lou could've brought someone else in, but as we all know, PR plays a HUGE part in all of this...no way in hell Lou was going to let Marty go to another team, especially when he had been playing well enough to help his team reach the SCF.  Lou and the Devils would've been shredded by just about EVERYONE if he had just let Marty walk...now, for many Devils fans (especially the ones who aren't pure Marty fanboys and have been truly watching this season and last), it can't happen soon enough (sad as that may be). 

 

On one hand, sure, it probably would've made Marty even more legendary if he had called it quits on his own after the 2012 SCF, but it's impossible to blame anyone for thinking he still had something left after his extended run of very good play. 

 

And yeah, the guys who get out at just the right time (John Elway, Patrick Roy, to name a couple) are clearly the exception.  But if you can get an absurd amount of terrific play and some championships for a couple of "meh" years at the very end, you take it every time, no questions asked.

 

re:  the bolded, I wonder to what degree.  I think logically he knows it (how can he not?), but I think it will still come as a major surprise to him if he basically announces "I'm done with the Devils...here I am, come get me!"...and all he hears are crickets.       


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 06:57 AM

there isn't a ready-made narrative for great goaltender anymore.

 

This. And teams have shown a propensity for letting goaltenders walk, trading them, or buying them out, as soon as they begin to fall off. 


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 09:07 AM

It made sense that everyone involved wanted Marty to keep playing for the Devils beyond 2012.  For one, he'd just come off a terrific 50-game stretch of .920+ play.  For another, even if they had wanted to, it's not like the Devils had anywhere else to go...they had Hedberg, Frazee, and Kinkaid from within...sure, Lou could've brought someone else in, but as we all know, PR plays a HUGE part in all of this...no way in hell Lou was going to let Marty go to another team, especially when he had been playing well enough to help his team reach the SCF.  Lou and the Devils would've been shredded by just about EVERYONE if he had just let Marty walk...now, for many Devils fans (especially the ones who aren't pure Marty fanboys and have been truly watching this season and last), it can't happen soon enough (sad as that may be). 

 

On one hand, sure, it probably would've made Marty even more legendary if he had called it quits on his own after the 2012 SCF, but it's impossible to blame anyone for thinking he still had something left after his extended run of very good play. 

 

And yeah, the guys who get out at just the right time (John Elway, Patrick Roy, to name a couple) are clearly the exception.  But if you can get an absurd amount of terrific play and some championships for a couple of "meh" years at the very end, you take it every time, no questions asked.

 

re:  the bolded, I wonder to what degree.  I think logically he knows it (how can he not?), but I think it will still come as a major surprise to him if he basically announces "I'm done with the Devils...here I am, come get me!"...and all he hears are crickets.       

 

I think he expects to get offers from bad teams, he just won't take them.


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 09:27 AM

one thing for sure, we all grew up knowing it would be an horrible moment to see Marty go.

 

But with all this recent crap he's making it a lottttttt easier on us to move on.


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 09:59 AM

Marty is really pissing me off lately...

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That was a lucky save. Too many times this season he's let those shots get through. God he sucks. Cory's better. :)
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