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#21 CHIP72

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 01:05 AM

I'm a 76ers fan in addition to a Devils fan, and I have no problem with what the 76ers are doing.  As others have noted, in the NBA if you are a mid-level team that makes the playoffs most seasons but isn't a championship contender, you are perpetually stuck in the netherworld of never becoming a championship contender.  You really need a superstar, and preferably two superstars (or at least a superstar and a star plus caliber player), to win NBA championships.  The 76ers as they were constituted for about 3 year period (2009-2012) had a nice team with a lot of good complementary players, the kind of guys who help you win an NBA title as your 3rd to 8th best players, and they played a smart brand of basketball.  Unfortunately, they didn't have a superstar, and they weren't in a position to easily acquire one either.  (The disastrous Andrew Bynum deal was their attempt to get a player who could tilt the court for them; unfortunately he only ever tilted the bench.)

 

By doing what they are doing, the 76ers have a chance to get multiple superstar or at least star plus players on their roster.  The Michael Carter-Williams draft pick this past season looks like a genius move right now, and they made a very calculated move to trade for Nerlens Noel (who hasn't played this season but was thought by many to be the best pro prospect in last year's draft; because of an injury he suffered last season in college, he dropped to the #6 pick in last year's draft however).  Assuming the 76ers don't get screwed in this year's NBA draft lottery, they'll have a top 3 pick (their own) and roughly the #10 pick (also acquired from New Orleans in the Noel deal) in what is considered to be a deep draft.  (New Orleans will keep their first round pick if it is in the top 5; the only way that will happen is if they win one of the top 3 spots in the lottery, which is a slim possibility right now.)  If the young guys the 76ers have and will have turn into star players (a big if), they could turn into a legitimate NBA championship contender within 3 years.


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 01:41 AM

Man the NBA sounds awful. What a joke league.

And I really don't like the new owners and their team of a$$hole msg execs. They'll probably spend the bare minimum on our team so long as they have just enough people paying full price on season tickets! But don't you dare re-sell your ST or the wrath of God will smite thee.
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Posted 29 March 2014 - 02:06 AM

Man the NBA sounds awful. What a joke league.

And I really don't like the new owners and their team of a$$hole msg execs. They'll probably spend the bare minimum on our team so long as they have just enough people paying full price on season tickets! But don't you dare re-sell your ST or the wrath of God will smite thee.

 

The issue with how to construct NBA championship-caliber teams isn't purely an NBA thing; to a large degree it is related to the nature of basketball.  (The way the NBA's salary cap is set up does make it more difficult to acquire superstar caliber players via trade or free agency however.)  With basketball teams having such small rosters, a superstar-caliber player has a greater impact on his team's fortunes over a season than individual players in other sports.  (I say over a season because some specific positions in other sports, namely goalies in hockey and pitchers in baseball, can have an even bigger impact on a team's success in a single game.)  Individual players strongly influencing their teams' success has been true throughout the history of basketball and the NBA, going back to George Mikan in the late 1940s and early 1950s; Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Larry Bird, David Robinson, and LeBron James are just a few of the examples of players who single-handedly significantly improved their teams as soon as they joined them.


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 03:15 PM

Man the NBA sounds awful. What a joke league.

And I really don't like the new owners and their team of a$$hole msg execs. They'll probably spend the bare minimum on our team so long as they have just enough people paying full price on season tickets! But don't you dare re-sell your ST or the wrath of God will smite thee.

 

I wonder if Harris would have even bought the team if The Rock wasn't included in the purchase.


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Posted 31 March 2014 - 03:19 PM

I wonder if Harris would have even bought the team if The Rock wasn't included in the purchase.

 

Who would?


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Posted 31 March 2014 - 03:39 PM

I wonder if Harris would have even bought the team if The Rock wasn't included in the purchase.

 

The answer to that is an emphatic NO.  The team would likely have been forced into bankruptcy and/or moved if not for the arena being part of the package.


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 08:07 PM

Just a bump here because the OP brought up ownership concerns because of the 76ers.

 

Fascinating stuff what the 76ers are doing in the NBA. After a dreadful season that was basically the most obvious tank ever (The 76ers had only two legit NBA players on their roster half the season), they use their 3rd pick on the arguably the most talented player in the draft -- a player that had back injury concerns before the season ended and then dropped from 1st overall after a foot fracture was discovered that might make him miss his 1st season.

 

This was basically the same thing as last year when the 76ers traded their best player for a lottery pick that might have gone first overall before a hand injury kept him out the entire season. With their 2nd pick (10th overall), they take Dario Saric  -- he just signed a deal overseas and won't be able to come over to the NBA for two seasons. They actually dropped two spots to make that pick and receive a future 1st round pick to do so.

 

3 awesome moves by a GM that must have full support from ownership because they are going to be atrocious again next year. Two top 10 picks, and two players that won't play on their team next season.

 

Well, we know this is not Lou's philosophy. He won't actively take a step back, but Lou might not be a GM forever. These owners have invested heavily in analytics for the 76ers They brought this to the Lou and the Devils. They went to Bettman to try and get their pick. It's already interesting with Lou around. It's going to be a lot more interesting to see what happens when Lou's time is up in NJ.


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 08:18 PM

I am worried about them making money available to Lou to use at his will. We need a good product on the ice. Will they let him open the reigns and allow him to make an offer if he so chooses that allows him to rival that of a big market team..i.e. Front loaded or signing bonus heavy deal. 52 for 7 years let's say but buyout protected if most of the payments are made in a lumpsum July 1st. I feel like that's what the market is these days.


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 08:19 PM

Hopefully they'll have the same patience with post-Lou GMs and not force them to panic or anything like that, but build slowly 


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 08:21 PM

Just a bump here because the OP brought up ownership concerns because of the 76ers.

Fascinating stuff what the 76ers are doing in the NBA. After a dreadful season that was basically the most obvious tank ever (The 76ers had only two legit NBA players on their roster half the season), they use their 3rd pick on the arguably the most talented player in the draft -- a player that had back injury concerns before the season ended and then dropped from 1st overall after a foot fracture was discovered that might make him miss his 1st season.

This was basically the same thing as last year when the 76ers traded their best player for a lottery pick that might have gone first overall before a hand injury kept him out the entire season. With their 2nd pick (10th overall), they take Dario Saric -- he just signed a deal overseas and won't be able to come over to the NBA for two seasons.

3 awesome moves by a GM that must have full support from ownership because they are going to be atrocious again next year. Two top 10 picks, and two players that won't play on their team next season.

Well, we know this is not Lou's philosophy. He won't actively take a step back, but Lou might not be a GM forever. These owners have invested heavily in analytics for the 76ers They brought this to the Lou and the Devils. They went to Bettman to try and get their pick. It's already interesting with Lou around. It's going to be a lot more interesting to see what happens when Lou's time is up in NJ.


It's a really bad comparison. A really bad one.

There is zero parity in the NBA, and then you can turn things around very quickly with one or two players. That's really the only option that half if not more of the teams in the NBA really have, and it still doesn't pan out for most of the teams that try it. It also doesn't help that it's very rare to get a great player past the top ten picks in the draft that turns into a great player.




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Posted 26 June 2014 - 08:21 PM

I am also wondering if they would let him use buyouts. We don't know. You would have to assume yes. You don't get into sports to sell Corporate Partners on a weak team.


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 08:24 PM

I am also wondering if they would let him use buyouts. We don't know. You would have to assume yes. You don't get into sports to sell Corporate Partners on a weak team.


I don't think it would be an issue. They're not buying out a LeCavalier or Luongo deal.


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 08:37 PM

It's a really bad comparison. A really bad one.

There is zero parity in the NBA, and then you can turn things around very quickly with one or two players. That's really the only option that half if not more of the teams in the NBA really have, and it still doesn't pan out for most of the teams that try it. It also doesn't help that it's very rare to get a great player past the top ten picks in the draft that turns into a great player.




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We'll disagree. It succeeds and fails just as often for teams in the NBA than it does for NHL teams. But I am not comparing the NHL and NBA rebuilding options...just that there are owners that are willing to be very patient and suffer to get better.

 

You can definitely do that at the NHL level. Buffalo had a new owner that promised to spend and spend and spend. Only problem was the free agents sucked and no one wanted to go to Buffalo. They've realized their mistakes and a new GM is ready to rebuild with drafting and player development.

 

Anyway, there is a very special player in next year's draft. You might have owners telling their GMs to get better at all cost, and there might be other owners that realize the best way to get better is to not actively try to improve this season.

 

It does help that these owners have already doubled their investment since buying the 76ers. They bought the 76ers a few years back for under $300 million. The Bucks were sold this past season for just under $600 million (easily regarded as the worst franchise in the NBA with an the oldest arena in the NBA). The 76ers would probably be sold for $700 million today.


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 09:00 PM

We'll disagree. It succeeds and fails just as often for teams in the NBA than it does for NHL teams. But I am not comparing the NHL and NBA rebuilding options...just that there are owners that are willing to be very patient and suffer to get better.

You can definitely do that at the NHL level. Buffalo had a new owner that promised to spend and spend and spend. Only problem was the free agents sucked and no one wanted to go to Buffalo. They've realized their mistakes and a new GM is ready to rebuild with drafting and player development.

Anyway, there is a very special player in next year's draft. You might have owners telling their GMs to get better at all cost, and there might be other owners that realize the best way to get better is to not actively try to improve this season.

It does help that these owners have already doubled their investment since buying the 76ers. They bought the 76ers a few years back for under $300 million. The Bucks were sold this past season for just under $600 million (easily regarded as the worst franchise in the NBA with an the oldest arena in the NBA). The 76ers would probably be sold for $700 million today.


It's not that tanking can't work in the NHL. It's that most teams don't really have to do it, and it takes a long time for it to be a fruitful strategy, unlike the NBA where you really only need two or three players to compete for a championship. Basically, McDavid cannot turn a team around all on his own. The right player in the NBA draft can.

Also, you can wind up with elite players beyond the lottery slots in the NHL. That's an extreme rarity in the NBA draft.


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 09:35 PM

It's a really bad comparison. A really bad one.
There is zero parity in the NBA, and then you can turn things around very quickly with one or two players. That's really the only option that half if not more of the teams in the NBA really have, and it still doesn't pan out for most of the teams that try it. It also doesn't help that it's very rare to get a great player past the top ten picks in the draft that turns into a great player.
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I was about to say exactly this. In the nba there are maybe 5 teams any year that can legitimately win a championship, if you're not one of those five you might as well tear it down and hope to land a prime time player to take you to that level. In the nhl anything can happen once you make the playoffs. You don't need a player on the level of Crosby, Tavares or ovechkin to win.

It's nice to try to get insight on what these owners might be like, but this really doesn't say much IMO. The sixers aren't looking to compete this year or next.

Also I really doubt harris actually dictated in any way the personnel decisions of the sixers.

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 11:41 PM

I'll also point out that they've hired a boatload of top executives to come in and run our arena.. The arena is a big deal to keeping this franchise here, so it's critical that it make money

I also love what I'm hearing about changes with the food vendor and a "reimagined upper concourse".. They are investing heavily and doing it with Jersey pride in mind.. Can't wait to see what other changes they have in store

Guess we will see how much they allow Lou to spend this offseason but I'm excited to see what happens.. If we get a big UFA, I want a Josh Harris signed 16x20 in my living room
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Posted 27 June 2014 - 08:57 AM

i think the whole re imaged upper course thing will be a nice change of scenery.. its nice that they are changing certain things that should be changed like the crappy food situation etc.
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