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#221 DJ Eco

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 08:46 AM

We won't make the playoffs, simple as that. Like some others have said, I'd rather be mathematically eliminated by Thursday. The worst possible scenario, in my opinion, would be to win the next 3 (including Boston) and be 1 point out, with not getting a point in this Calgary game having been the difference. That is probably the only scenario that would make me flip my sh!t at the end of the season.


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#222 dmann422

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:04 AM

Yeah I avoided the forum last night for my own sanity. It's really hard for me to get down on these guys because it's obvious they gave it everything but just didn't have it. So many guys were gassed at the end there, so it's not for a lack of effort.

It's unfortunate but again you just look back on the terrible start to the season, some of the blown leads and the shootout and that's the difference. And I agree that id rather miss by several points than only by one, although I always want to win.

Honestly if we're out by Thursday I'm fine if brodeur gets the final 3 as his farewell, and I hope the fans show up to make it memorable.
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Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:48 AM

Sometimes I think you just have to make a statement with certain guys.  I think Ryder is one of them. 

 

Is there a chance some team buys low on him, and he bounces back and scores 25+ for his new team, making that GM look awfully good?  Sure. 

 

But no way in hell that I hang onto Ryder because I'm afraid of that happening.  Seriously, screw him.  9 points in 33 games?  The guy has literally done nothing for a team that desperately needed contributions from him, and while we're talking about numbers, his shots are down too...2 SPG this season, 2.41 SPG for his career (to be fair, that number is puffed up a bit by his first three seasons, where he averaged 2.78 SPG).  He's only had a couple of years similar to this one, as far as SPG go (in '07-'08 and '10-'11), and his numbers those seasons are similar to ones he's put up this year.  Basically, if he's not getting his shots, he's not producing.

 

Of course, pure "puck-luck" guys will fire back with:

 

If he reached his career 12.6% rate, he'd have 20 goals this season.

If he shot the 14.7% rate he averaged in the prior two seasons, he'd have 23 goals.   

 

That's fine and it makes some sense and that does support a case for a potential turn-around next season...but for me, it goes back to the same thing.  The guy friggin' VANISHED for almost a full half-season.  I don't think he should get a mulligan on it.  And fans in Boston probably thought he'd bounce back in '10-'11 after he scored 18 goals in '09-'10, but he basically had a similar year...18 goals in 79 GP after scoring 18 goals in 82 GP.  No way I'm taking a chance on a repeat of this season with Ryder...even if the goals are sprinkled out more evenly, 18 goals or so from a Ryder-type just aren't enough.    

 

 

The problem with this 'puck-luck' approach is that you are never 'due'. Just because someone is a career 13% shooter, does not mean that he has to regress to that mean following a bad season. He can just as well have another bad season. This is because we are talking about human beings, who's skills and bodies degrade over time, and who also deal with team dynamics/coaching/lines and so forth. This isnt a a pair of dice. Maybe in the long term he averages out to 13%, but how many poor seasons do you want to put up with?


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Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:56 AM

The problem with this 'puck-luck' approach is that you are never 'due'. Just because someone is a career 13% shooter, does not mean that he has to regress to that mean following a bad season. He can just as well have another bad season. This is because we are talking about human beings, who's skills and bodies degrade over time, and who also deal with team dynamics/coaching/lines and so forth. This isnt a a pair of dice. Maybe in the long term he averages out to 13%, but how many poor seasons do you want to put up with?

 

Basically what I'm saying.  Ryder has had back-to-back seasons of low goal production before (I pointed out the Boston seasons).  I'm definitely not banking on him becoming a 25+ guy next season due to things possibly "evening out".  I think the Devils should move him (and I've only really just started to feel that way, but I've had enough).   


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Posted 08 April 2014 - 11:24 AM

Meh, they took away Ryder's center and he's playing hurt.  I get disgusted when I see him carrying the puck too but like dr33 said, he needs the right players around him to make it work.  He's not going to make offense for himself, he's just not that kind of player.  He needs people that can cut through defense and get him the puck, not Dainius Zubrus.


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Posted 08 April 2014 - 07:19 PM

Meh, they took away Ryder's center and he's playing hurt.  I get disgusted when I see him carrying the puck too but like dr33 said, he needs the right players around him to make it work.  He's not going to make offense for himself, he's just not that kind of player.  He needs people that can cut through defense and get him the puck, not Dainius Zubrus.

If he's still playing hurt then they really should've sat him awhile ago because he's doing nothing for them trying to play through it. No doubt the numbers suggest he should rebound but playing on a team like the Devils I won't hold my breath for it to happen. Do we even think Lou will be able to get linemates that suit him this offseason? Small sample size but it's a bit funny that his GF% and CF% were higher with Loktionov than any of his other linemates this year. Wish Loktionov had more of a chance with him.


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Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:21 PM

Basically what I'm saying.  Ryder has had back-to-back seasons of low goal production before (I pointed out the Boston seasons).  I'm definitely not banking on him becoming a 25+ guy next season due to things possibly "evening out".  I think the Devils should move him (and I've only really just started to feel that way, but I've had enough).   

 

As an experienced Devils fan, I am smart enough now to scream "MOVE HIM BEFORE HE CAN'T BE MOVED."


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Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:51 PM

Ryder was always streaky but he has hit a career low with us. We can live without him.
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Posted 09 April 2014 - 08:01 AM

Ryder was always streaky but he has hit a career low with us. We can live without him.

him and brunner were both bad pick ups imo.. maybe better than what we had but noow were stuck with them for another year
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Posted 09 April 2014 - 08:29 AM

him and brunner were both bad pick ups imo.. maybe better than what we had but noow were stuck with them for another year

 

But...but... what about the people who got Brunner jerseys?  What about the people who changed their Kovy jerseys to Ryder jerseys?!  Will someone please think of the children!!?


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 08:36 AM

him and brunner were both bad pick ups imo.. maybe better than what we had but noow were stuck with them for another year

 

I really had high hopes for Brunner.

 

Turns out he just needs a Zetterberg-caliber player as his center to actually do anything.  Go figure.


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