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Posted 01 July 2014 - 08:43 PM

The worst will be the interviews where he "wanted to be here all along"

 

Reason #43409792 I really hope he just retires.  A return here would be cringe-inducing on a lot of levels...especially with all of the obvious lies his teammates will have to spew (starting with Cory). 


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Posted 01 July 2014 - 09:41 PM

Clemmer is back!

 

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 10:39 PM

Why would a backup goalie sign here?  I mean, I'd like someone like Nabokov, but the Devils clearly have the intention of using Schneider for 65+ games.  Plus Brodeur carried the team in November and he can carry them again, if he re-signs here.  I wouldn't want to spend more than $1M on a backup.

 

It wouldn't shock me if a couple of decent backups wind up having to go overseas because of the lack of spots.  They'd surely prefer to sign here rather than sign in the KHL.


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Posted 01 July 2014 - 10:43 PM

Lou will look like a fvcking moron if he signs Marty now after saying he wants Kinkaid to be the back-up.

 

The only reason it's still a non-zero chance of happening - besides the obvious - is because Lou hasn't been all that patient the last couple of times we had younger backups (remember JF Damphousse?).  And he 'did' talk Beezer out of retirement way back when.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 05:19 AM

The only reason it's still a non-zero chance of happening - besides the obvious - is because Lou hasn't been all that patient the last couple of times we had younger backups (remember JF Damphousse?).  And he 'did' talk Beezer out of retirement way back when.

 

If the backup spot goes, say, 0-4-1 with a GAA over 3.50 with a save% in the .870-.880 range through late November or so, and Cory appears the slightest bit tired from his new workload, and Marty is available (and it's looking more and more like he very well will be), I find it impossible to believe that Lou doesn't explore bringing Marty back. 

 

I think Clemmer is what he is at this point (not very good at all and not going to surprise anyone), so it's really on Kinkaid to play well enough to kill any chance Marty might have to come back. 


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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 10:01 AM

If the backup spot goes, say, 0-4-1 with a GAA over 3.50 with a save% in the .870-.880 range through late November or so, and Cory appears the slightest bit tired from his new workload, and Marty is available (and it's looking more and more like he very well will be), I find it impossible to believe that Lou doesn't explore bringing Marty back. 

 

I think Clemmer is what he is at this point (not very good at all and not going to surprise anyone), so it's really on Kinkaid to play well enough to kill any chance Marty might have to come back. 

 

No, I don't think Brodeur is going to walk back in here for a backup gig.  I think he wants a shot at a starter's job, and the only way he gets that here is if Schneider gets hurt.  I do believe that if Schneider were hurt for more than 2 weeks, Lou's first call would be to Pat Brisson, but I suspect if Brodeur does go into the season without a job, he's going to try to do what Bryzgalov did this season, and Bryz ended up getting into 32 games and played 2 rounds in the playoffs.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 10:35 AM

I really really hate this signing. Was so obvious too. The very idea of a goalie worse than Brodeur possibly playing 20 games next year is a disaster. Clemmensen is that. 


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 10:43 AM

Idk, he saved us in 2008-09 when Marty went down for a long period of time.  Can't hate the guy, but I hope Kinkaid can beat him for 2nd place.  Clemmer pulled off some crazy sh!t when he backed Marty up, so I'm not expected the guy to just roll over. 


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 10:46 AM

I really really hate this signing. Was so obvious too. The very idea of a goalie worse than Brodeur possibly playing 20 games next year is a disaster. Clemmensen is that. 

 

Agreed that he is awful, but on the plus side Kinkaid is being handed a shot.  Kinkaid is probably a little worse than the average NHL backup, but hopefully not so much that it would cost NJ a full win in the standings.  Also obviously the backup isn't going to play 20 games without an injury.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 10:48 AM

Idk, he saved us in 2008-09 when Marty went down for a long period of time.  Can't hate the guy, but I hope Kinkaid can beat him for 2nd place.  Clemmer pulled off some crazy sh!t when he backed Marty up, so I'm not expected the guy to just roll over. 

 

He didn't save the team. The Devils were playing dominant hockey, and Clemmensen had a pretty easy stretch of hockey. He didn't sh!t the bed, but the Devils team defense didn't give him much of a chance to. They were that good.

 

Anyway, that was 6 years ago. The dude has put up back-to-back sub .900 seasons. He actually made Brodeur of last year look very strong.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 11:01 AM

He didn't save the team. The Devils were playing dominant hockey, and Clemmensen had a pretty easy stretch of hockey. He didn't sh!t the bed, but the Devils team defense didn't give him much of a chance to. They were that good.

 

Anyway, that was 6 years ago. The dude has put up back-to-back sub .900 seasons. He actually made Brodeur of last year look very strong.

 

Hokum.  Clemmensen got lucky during that stretch to be sure, but he also played very well.  He did not 'have a pretty easy stretch of hockey'.  And he definitely saved that season.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 11:07 AM

Hokum. Clemmensen got lucky during that stretch to be sure, but he also played very well. He did not 'have a pretty easy stretch of hockey'. And he definitely saved that season.


The team played amazingly in front of him. He did well for a while. By the end of his run when Marty came back he was losing games and half the league figured out he had no glove hand and couldn't move side to side.
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Posted 02 July 2014 - 11:09 AM

Agreed that he is awful, but on the plus side Kinkaid is being handed a shot.  Kinkaid is probably a little worse than the average NHL backup, but hopefully not so much that it would cost NJ a full win in the standings.  Also obviously the backup isn't going to play 20 games without an injury.

 

I didn't really care too much if Kinkaid got a shot or not, so long as Brodeur wasn't here. There are much better options than Kinkaid or Clemmensen out there. I know there are many goalies not looking for a 15-20 game role, but there are only 60 spots, and goalies would like an NHL salary too. Only 2 or 3 games to decide between Kinkaid or Clemmensen. Someone will win or lose a job in that time, but it's definitely not enough games.

 

Hokum.  Clemmensen got lucky during that stretch to be sure, but he also played very well.  He did not 'have a pretty easy stretch of hockey'.  And he definitely saved that season.

 

I may have forgotten a lot about the 08/09 season, but I think the Devils would have been a playoff team with Weekes in nets. Clemmer was very good, but the team was playing excellent in front of him.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 11:12 AM

Can't hate the signing. 2-way and we all could see it coming; it's the type of veteran goaltender that was meant to tell Kinkaid "this is your job to lose". Clemmer will most likely be with Wedgewood in the A.. Kinkaid can taste NHL backup duty and I think he'll play his ass off for it.

 

You look around the league and it's an interesting era; so many promising and skilled young goalies were backups just 2-3 years ago (Halak, Bernier, Rask, Andersen). Kinkaid knows what he has to do.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:19 PM

I didn't really care too much if Kinkaid got a shot or not, so long as Brodeur wasn't here. There are much better options than Kinkaid or Clemmensen out there. I know there are many goalies not looking for a 15-20 game role, but there are only 60 spots, and goalies would like an NHL salary too. Only 2 or 3 games to decide between Kinkaid or Clemmensen. Someone will win or lose a job in that time, but it's definitely not enough games.

 

I don't think the backup goalie will play 20 games unless Schneider has an injury.  The Devils have to be looking to give him 65 games at the very least, with 72 a possibility.  With Clemmensen, the Devils have the ability to bring Kinkaid up and down for NHL games and AHL games, that way he doesn't get rusty.

 

There are better options, but most of them are at a higher price point than either Clemmensen or Kinkaid, and most of them were once starters.  Would I rather have Nabokov?  Sure, but I'd rather have him at $1 million, not $1.5M.

 

 

I may have forgotten a lot about the 08/09 season, but I think the Devils would have been a playoff team with Weekes in nets. Clemmer was very good, but the team was playing excellent in front of him.

 

The point is that Clemmensen was the guy in the net.  Maybe Weekes could have done it, we don't know.  What we do know is that Weekes had 3 sub .900 SV% seasons before his final one in NJ, where he posted a .920.  Maybe he's the starter, maybe he isn't, but an .895 SV% would've sunk the team - maybe not condemning them to missing the playoffs, but certainly a lower seed.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:25 PM

Weekes was most certainly not doing the job in '08-09 when he was the starter. When they picked their spots with him later in the year he improved but no it wasn't just a matter of the team doing well or Weekes would have kept the starter job
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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:32 PM

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I actually hope Marty has the good taste to retire. 

 

People have it in their heads he just wants win 700, not that he actually just wants to play.  Haters gonna hate ... and probably not sign him either.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 05:10 PM

If he just wanted to play he wouldn't have priced himself out of Pittsburgh and Tampa.  I'm all for playing for love of the game but if it was just about that Marty'd be on a team.  He wants to have his cake, ice cream and cherry too.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 05:26 PM

Hokum.  Clemmensen got lucky during that stretch to be sure, but he also played very well.  He did not 'have a pretty easy stretch of hockey'.  And he definitely saved that season.

 

 

He didn't save the team. The Devils were playing dominant hockey, and Clemmensen had a pretty easy stretch of hockey. He didn't sh!t the bed, but the Devils team defense didn't give him much of a chance to. They were that good.

 

Anyway, that was 6 years ago. The dude has put up back-to-back sub .900 seasons. He actually made Brodeur of last year look very strong.

I'm going to call bullsh!t.  What if Clemmer started dropping games like Hedberg did in 2011.  People blame Hedberg for that sh!t and I agree.  As a backup goalie, Hedberg totally sh!t the bed.  If Clemmenson dropped 10 or 20 games, that amazing team that got bounced in the first round wouldn't have even been there.  Clemmenson had a really good stretch.  Luck or not, it saved that season.  If Hedberg comes in and does that same job in 2011, that could have been a playoff team as well.  You have to be able to rely on a guy like that if your starter gets hurt.  You quote his last two seasons on a pretty bad Florida team, but ignore his over .911 sv% seasons in 2011 and 2012 behind Vokoun.  And Vokoun wasn't exactly the Rolls-Royce of health those two years if Clemmer played 30 games in both of those seasons. 

EDIT:  Just to add, I always felt that Weekes wasn't any good.  I felt the same way with him then that I felt with Marty this season.  Just not a very calming effect when he's in between the pipes. 


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 05:45 PM

I'm going to call bullsh!t.  What if Clemmer started dropping games like Hedberg did in 2011.  People blame Hedberg for that sh!t and I agree.  As a backup goalie, Hedberg totally sh!t the bed.  If Clemmenson dropped 10 or 20 games, that amazing team that got bounced in the first round wouldn't have even been there.  Clemmenson had a really good stretch.  Luck or not, it saved that season.  If Hedberg comes in and does that same job in 2011, that could have been a playoff team as well.  You have to be able to rely on a guy like that if your starter gets hurt.  You quote his last two seasons on a pretty bad Florida team, but ignore his over .911 sv% seasons in 2011 and 2012 behind Vokoun.  And Vokoun wasn't exactly the Rolls-Royce of health those two years if Clemmer played 30 games in both of those seasons. 

EDIT:  Just to add, I always felt that Weekes wasn't any good.  I felt the same way with him then that I felt with Marty this season.  Just not a very calming effect when he's in between the pipes. 

 

That's fine. I have my opinions about 2009 and others have different ones. If you were around in 2009, the board was a little divided on the Weekes/Clemmensen goalie situation. Anyway, its irrelevant now, so I won't divulge deeper into it. Btw, I have no clue what you are talking about with Hedberg in 2011 or 2012. Hedberg was very good in 2011 and excellent in 2012. His play while Brodeur shat the bed at the start of the '12 season was pretty huge for a team that didn't make the playoffs by much.

 

I am not ignoring '11 or '12. It's just long gone. It's not even worth bringing up. Clemmensen is 36, which for many goalies can be a very large number. His last two years, he was maybe the worst goalie in the NHL. If he was 10 years younger, I might think less of it (probably not since anyone who puts up numbers like that during this era is not very good), but he's old. And most likely will continue to not be very good.


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