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#1 Chimaira_Devil_#9

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 09:24 AM

We all know where we stand, 0-12 is horrendous, and it has been a difference maker.

 

Personally i don’t believe its psychological for the majority of our shooters (Elias and Jagr and Henrique aside) i think it’s just a distinct lack of talent. The majority of our shooters just don’t have the hands.

 

I was intrigued as to who the Devils could bring in to solve this problem. So i decided to investigate the shootout records for this season so far of all the 2014 UFA forwards this summer.

 

Unsurprisingly about 100 or so UFA forwards didn’t have a single shootout attempt this season.

 

Here are the figures for all those that did and a few notable players who didn’t even attempt a shot.

Player		Shootout Attempts	Goals	Success Rate
Gaborik, Marian »	2		2	100%
Terry, Chris »		2		2	100%
Hemsky, Ales »		1		1	100%
Ott, Steve »		3		2	66.70%
Moulson, Matt »		5		3	60%
Setoguchi, Devin »	8		4	50%
Selanne, Teemu »	4		2	50%
Roy, Derek »		2		1	50%
Grabovski, Mikhail »	12		5	44%
Vrbata, Radim »		12		5	44%
Vanek, Thomas »		7		3	43%
Stempniak, Lee »	5		2	40%
Jokinen, Olli »		8		3	37.50%
Cammalleri, Mike »	6		2	33%
Pouliot, Benoit »	3		1	33%
Raymond, Mason »	7		2	28.60%
Jokinen, Jussi »	8		2	25%
Santorelli, Mike »	8		2	25%
Alfredsson, Daniel »	10		2	20%
Legwand, David »	5		1	20%
Jagr, Jaromir »		5		1	20%
Iginla, Jarome »	6		1	16.60%
Bertuzzi, Todd »	7		1	14.30%
Michalek, Milan »	8		1	12.50%
Whitney, Ray »		3		0	0%
Callahan, Ryan »	3		0	0%
Koivu, Saku »		3		0	0%
Bouchard, Pierre-Marc »	2		0	0%
Handzus, Michal »	2		0	0%
Sislo, Mike »		1		0	0%
Heatley, Dany »		0		0	0%
Stastny, Paul »		0		0	0%
Gionta, Brian »		0		0	0%
Bolland, Dave »		0		0	0%
Samuelsson, Mikael »	0		0	0%
Kulemin, Nikolai »	0		0	0%
Downie, Steve »		0		0	0%
Smyth, Ryan »		0		0	0%
Moss, David »		0		0	0%

A player who tops a lot of peoples 1st choice free agent list (including mine) Paul Stastny, hasn’t had an attempt so far this year. So it seems unlikely that he would be able to help the situation (although with Duchene and O'Riley on the team its highly unlikely they ever really get to the stage they need to use Stastny). Either way he isn’t one of colorados go to guys.

 

Matt Moulson on the other hand, who is a player i also a player quite a few would like to see the devils take a shot at, has had decent success in the shootout this year (he was 100% with the Islanders before going to the wild).

 

Groboviski, Vrbata and Vanek all also have fairly decent records this year. I mean 40% of the time, they score every time!!!

 

In terms of value to be had, and bringing in a pure ringer for the skills competition (a la Viktor Kozlov) Chris Terry of the Carolina Hurricanes is a great shout. 100% success rate and only making the league minimum. alternatively guarantee success with Gaborik at the other end of the scale.

 

A player to avoid like the plague is Ryan Callahan. Many think he would be a good fit for the Devils, and as his shootout statistics suggest, he would fit in seamlessly with the Devils current shootout tactics..

 

 

Some interesting options.


Edited by Chimaira_Devil_#9, 11 April 2014 - 09:31 AM.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 09:28 AM

If Stastny cannot be had, I'd take a flier on Grabovski.

I don't think targeting guys specifically good at shootouts is a good idea, though. That's a bonus. I mean, look at Clowe, you could argue one of the benefits of signing him was shootouts.
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Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:22 AM

I would never look to sign a player based on shootout numbers

 

I honestly think nearly every single player in the entire league would score more than 3 goals in 46? shootout attempts or whatever the number is now...

 

 

6.52% is unfathomable


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:46 AM

Can't shop for players based on SO stats. Agree with DP about it being a bonus, but under no circumstance should it be the driving force to shop for or sign a particular player.

 

The goal should be winning in regulation. 


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 11:05 AM

Ok ,so i wasnt actually serious.

 

I woke up this monring and saw 0-12 and thought "really, how is this possible?". 

 

I just wanted to see if any of the guys who are UFA this year excelled.

 

I would still take Stasnty even though he hasnt played in the skills competition this year, and Moulson's skills would clearly be an added bonus.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 11:21 AM

You know Brian's coming back, and he was actually good in the shootout with us anyway.
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Posted 11 April 2014 - 11:38 AM

You know Brian's coming back, and he was actually good in the shootout with us anyway.

 

 

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 12:00 PM

The Devil's lack finishers. They need 2 bona fide scorers. True shooters. If you get those 2, or even 1, they will score in the shootout. Combine that with a fresh season for Henrique or maybe even Clowe and I think things might be better on both the goal scoring and SO front. I know getting that help is way easier said than done.

If I coached a team, I would mandate all my shooters use the same template every time so it would disguise tendencies. Look at that video of Oshie and every attempt against Russia was virtually identical up to the finish. I think teams have been freewheeling the SO and losing valuable points along the way. If you play a system for 65 minutes, why not have one for the SO, which determines those same 2 points?

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 12:20 PM

The Devil's lack finishers. They need 2 bona fide scorers. True shooters. If you get those 2, or even 1, they will score in the shootout. Combine that with a fresh season for Henrique or maybe even Clowe and I think things might be better on both the goal scoring and SO front. I know getting that help is way easier said than done.

If I coached a team, I would mandate all my shooters use the same template every time so it would disguise tendencies. Look at that video of Oshie and every attempt against Russia was virtually identical up to the finish. I think teams have been freewheeling the SO and losing valuable points along the way. If you play a system for 65 minutes, why not have one for the SO, which determines those same 2 points?

 

What do you mean by "template"?!?


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 12:20 PM

Yeah you can pretty much assume Brian Gionta's returning..and he's technically a scorer.  He might help a bit.

 

I do miss his one-and-only forehand-backhand move.  


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 12:27 PM

just saying, michael ryder is a "scorer" a "pure shooter". It is why i was elated with his signing. the problem is when that shot isn't going in, or he doesn't have linemates doing the heavy lifting, he is an anchor


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 12:58 PM

I think alot of the problem can be solved if we get Elias to see a sports psychologist for his shootout yips. Man is Chuck Knoblauch the shootout... minus hitting Keith Olberman's mom


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 01:54 PM

just saying, michael ryder is a "scorer" a "pure shooter". It is why i was elated with his signing. the problem is when that shot isn't going in, or he doesn't have linemates doing the heavy lifting, he is an anchor


He is not a top 6 forward. I would say he is a perfect 3rd liner except he can't doesn't skate at all. The Des need a top 6 shooting forward. Think Iginla-esque.

Ryder is certainly one of my least favorite Devs of all time.
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Posted 11 April 2014 - 02:44 PM

I think alot of the problem can be solved if we get Elias to see a sports psychologist for his shootout yips. Man is Chuck Knoblauch the shootout... minus hitting Keith Olberman's mom

 

I was at that game. It was the best throw he made all season. 


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 02:55 PM

Radim Vrbata is the guy I want signed. He would help the offense and at least get 20 goals and 50 points and  his career shootout percentage on 82 attempts is 42%. He's at 20 goals and 50 points so far this year but with 255 total shots. If his shooting percentage this season was above 7.8% he would be having another great season.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 03:51 PM

I have no interest in discussing how to 'solve the shootout.' Tell the guys to grow some balls and take the sticks out of their asses.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 06:20 PM

Michalek is a money player shootout or not.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 07:08 PM

I have no interest in discussing how to 'solve the shootout.' Tell the guys to grow some balls and take the sticks out of their asses.


Then you Sir are clearly in the wrong thread.
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Posted 12 April 2014 - 09:07 AM

The Devil's lack finishers. They need 2 bona fide scorers. True shooters. If you get those 2, or even 1, they will score in the shootout. Combine that with a fresh season for Henrique or maybe even Clowe and I think things might be better on both the goal scoring and SO front. I know getting that help is way easier said than done.

If I coached a team, I would mandate all my shooters use the same template every time so it would disguise tendencies. Look at that video of Oshie and every attempt against Russia was virtually identical up to the finish. I think teams have been freewheeling the SO and losing valuable points along the way. If you play a system for 65 minutes, why not have one for the SO, which determines those same 2 points?

I thought that's why Ryder was brought in, and Brunner. Both failed as did Clowe. All three are supposed "finishers'/shooters. Lou's experiment fell short. 


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 10:01 AM

I have no interest in discussing how to 'solve the shootout.' Tell the guys to grow some balls and take the sticks out of their asses.

 

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