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#961 Triumph

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 08:26 PM

Part of me is wondering after a season wanting of Stastny is if it's worth the length/term. I'm beginning to question it, but in the short term  I am fine with the signing, long term - I am nervous.

 

If the Devils had a ton of prospects/young players, it would be a question.  They don't, so Stastny isn't going to make them make a difficult move with their youngsters.  And even though it's higher variance it's almost certainly better to put your free agent money into one top player than 2 middling players.


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 01:37 AM

It's looking like one ECF appearance (a loss to you-know-who of course) in all of Sather's time with the Rangers.  They've won a whopping 6 playoff series so far in his time there.  Yeah, I'm sure that was the plan when he was signed up.  There's definitely a crapshoot feel to the playoffs these days, but all Sather seems to know how to do is bring in expensive marquee names, even if they're clearly not what they were (Wade Redden).  Damned near zero creativity.

 

 

Sometimes, the best moves you make are the ones you don't. He broke up a team that reached an ECF. Looks like I was right about the Nash trade. Dubinsky was a key cog who Tort misused. Subtracting him hurt their identity. They also lost Prust and Anisimov. I hated the AV hiring but he's done a respectable job. The problem is they still don't have a top line center and lack a power play QB. The second one hurts big time. You can't rely on an aging Richards with no true point. McDonagh probably is playing with a separated shoulder.

 

Not even the most negative Ranger fan could've predicted Nash's demise. Concussions didn't help. His puck possession stats are good but he's paid to finish. I actually feel for him. He's trying but just looks like a shell. Too much on perimeter. The best thing AV did was turn Kreider into a power wing. He uses his size, strength and speed around the net. It still doesn't excuse the lack of adjustments with the PP. Kreider is an important player because he's their fastest skater and is one of the few who drives the net. When your bravest guy is Zuccarello, that just won't cut it. Zuke plays with balls. His line with Brassard and Pouliot are the only one that gets any consistent pressure.

 

Obviously, Game 4 was a flat out embarrassment. But also highlighted their weaknesses. When you subtract a Callahan who's your leader, you risk becoming soft. The Rangers are as vanilla as it gets. I can't explain St. Louis. Obviously, it becomes more clear with his Mom's tragedy. Supposedly, she was sick for a while which might be the truth behind why he wanted to come here. That's a horrible thing. Feel for MSL and his family.

 

My biggest issue with the team is their lack of guts. Are they really about to go belly up to a Pens team that isn't what we'd call great by any stretch? At some point, enough is enough. Every good team shows a pulse. I took the Pens in 7 because I thought it would be hard fought. I don't think I'm asking for a lot for my team to show up for Game 5 and get the series back to MSG. I'm fed up with the excuses. Vigneault was a whiner with Vancouver. I don't need to hear about the schedule or how disappointed he and the players are about the booing. I don't believe in booing. There aren't enough real fans at the games anymore. I don't even care enough to go. That's what Dolan wanted. They priced out the diehards. The old MSG was much better.

 

CR, this isn't about the goalie anymore. It's about how poorly constructed they're built. Lundqvist is a top 3 goalie. I get into debates all the time about whether I'd put him ahead of Richter. I still wouldn't. Richter knew how to win the big games. But he also benefited from much better talent. It's not even a contest. My fear is that as long as Sather is running the ship, Hank's remaining good years will be wasted. He's getting older. He's not the reason they're down. 25 giveaways. Imagine that happening under Tort. No toughness. Easy to play against.

 

FWIW, Montreal looks like the better team than Boston. They lost on a fluky goal but I like how they play. They're not big either but play with much more ferocity. And boast the biggest power play weapon. Subban. Price looks locked in. I originally took the Bruins but think it might be the Habs year. Either one of those teams should reach the SCF. Glad the Ducks woke up and got back in that series. The Hawks look pretty tough. Love how the Wild compete at home. That'll be a tough Game 4. I think it's Kings and Hawks out West which would be a rematch. A toss up.


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 06:47 AM

D21, I still think Lundqvist is a good goalie, and wasn't trying to imply that a series loss here would be his fault (if he has a terrible Game 5 though, he's got to get some of the blame).  Let's face it, in the NHL, the goalie often gets either too much of the credit or the blame.  Regardless of what happens, is it Lundqvist's fault that his team suffered back-to-back shutouts?  In all fairness, the only series I really remember him being dreadful in was 2005-06, and he had a lot of help on that one. 


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 08:00 AM

Rip to Marty St Louis' mother. If he plays tonight it's gotta be tough.

Also on Nash- I really don't think it has much to do with pressure, I just don't think he's all that great, and in the playoffs when your playing top teams they'll be more adept at shutting down your best offensive weapon, especially when you don't have many other threats.

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 11:26 AM

FWIW, Montreal looks like the better team than Boston. They lost on a fluky goal but I like how they play. They're not big either but play with much more ferocity. And boast the biggest power play weapon. Subban. Price looks locked in. I originally took the Bruins but think it might be the Habs year. Either one of those teams should reach the SCF. Glad the Ducks woke up and got back in that series. The Hawks look pretty tough. Love how the Wild compete at home. That'll be a tough Game 4. I think it's Kings and Hawks out West which would be a rematch. A toss up.

 

i really dont know how anyone could think that MTL is the better team... watching games Boston ALWAYS has the puck. They control everything. Mtl has to wait for opportunities they really dont create anything other than odd man rushes once in awhile since everyone is always in their end .


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 11:37 AM

i really dont know how anyone could think that MTL is the better team... watching games Boston ALWAYS has the puck. They control everything. Mtl has to wait for opportunities they really dont create anything other than odd man rushes once in awhile since everyone is always in their end .

 

Montreal looks really good when Subban is on the ice. Not so much when he is on the bench.


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 11:49 AM

Douglas Murray is such an incredible disaster.  I complain about Salvador but this guy is way worse - I'm not even sure he could be decent in the AHL at this point.


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 11:53 AM

i really dont know how anyone could think that MTL is the better team... watching games Boston ALWAYS has the puck. They control everything. Mtl has to wait for opportunities they really dont create anything other than odd man rushes once in awhile since everyone is always in their end .

 

Ya but SHOT QUALITY is what MTL has going for them. Bruins just take softies from center ice trying to drive up their CORSI.


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 12:30 PM

Ya but SHOT QUALITY is what MTL has going for them. Bruins just take softies from center ice trying to drive up their CORSI.

 

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 12:33 PM

Man you're cool. Like really. I hope your friends knows how cool you are on the internet. Be sure to tell them

 

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 12:49 PM

It was just a chirp. Relax.

 

how can i possibly relax, you just acknowledged me, thats huge. Coolest guy on the internet actually acknowledged me. This is unreal. I gotta call a few people, gotta have to take screen shots. Theres no way they'd believe me. 


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 01:51 PM

Sometimes, the best moves you make are the ones you don't. He broke up a team that reached an ECF. Looks like I was right about the Nash trade. Dubinsky was a key cog who Tort misused. Subtracting him hurt their identity. They also lost Prust and Anisimov.

 

 

You bring up a TON of good points, man... When I'm not getting in a good-natured shouting match with a Rangers fan, but actually talking flat out hockey, you said a lot of the things I've been saying all season. The loss of Dubinsky and Prust hurt a lot more than anyone would've ever guessed. Two of those "intangibles" players, you can't really explain it.

 

 

 

 

When your bravest guy is Zuccarello, that just won't cut it. Zuke plays with balls. His line with Brassard and Pouliot are the only one that gets any consistent pressure.

 

This pretty much explains the Rangers' season in a nutshell.

 

 

 

 

I don't believe in booing. There aren't enough real fans at the games anymore. I don't even care enough to go. That's what Dolan wanted. They priced out the diehards. The old MSG was much better.

 

Yup. I went to MSG for a few games during the Rangers' "dark years". I felt the fan intensity back then, got booed for the jersey I was wearing, got heckled everywhere, all the fun things associated with going to an away arena. I went to the two games at MSG this season to check out the renovations. Both games were absolute THRILLERS. First one Rangers and Devils were going tit-for-tat with goals until Carter scored the winner with a few minutes left. Second game, Rangers answered back at the end of the third period to force overtime, which Gelinas scored the winner in. Regardless, they were both incredible games. But I didn't hear one peep, not one heckle all game. I didn't hear more than 3 or 4 loud "Let's Go Rangers!" chants all game, the building was so quiet. Even this year's intro music and video on the jumbotron seems sanitized, forced, and corporate. The renovations were nice, but the atmosphere was horrible. I've seen more excitement at the Nassau Coliseum every time I've been (8-9 times, I think). The people in the seats aren't real fans, it's become just another tourist or upscale client-meeting attraction in midtown, which is a bummer, from a neutral hockey fan's perspective. On a very basic level, I enjoy and appreciate the hostility and intensity of an away fanbase at an away arena.

 

 

 

 

I get into debates all the time about whether I'd put him ahead of Richter. I still wouldn't. Richter knew how to win the big games. But he also benefited from much better talent. It's not even a contest. My fear is that as long as Sather is running the ship, Hank's remaining good years will be wasted. He's getting older. He's not the reason they're down. 25 giveaways. Imagine that happening under Tort. No toughness. Easy to play against.

 

I agree 100% with everything you said. People underestimate the intangibles in some of the goalies we call "top goalies". There's an animal instinct that the best goalies have, to win the big game. Ten years might go by and Henrik could still be an incredibly talented but losing goalie, and Rangers fans will still be entirely blaming the team in front of him. That's fair and all, but the BEST goalies have carried the team, won the big games, stolen games or whole series even. That's just one of the qualities wrapped up in being "a great". What solidifies Brodeur to me as the #1 or at least #2 goalie in the history of the game is not only that he was able to win championships with a well-built and balanced team, but the way he played when the team wasn't well-built and balanced. The only equivalent would be Henrik Lundqvist winning a few Stanley Cups and THEN keeping the team in first place/top of the league for 4-5 years with the Tortorella team he had in 2012. But yeah, didn't mean to make this a Henrik-Brodeur debate; I agree with you that he's just not in that league, not for lack of skill but the intangibles.


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 02:08 PM

Richter was a terrific goalie for a while...but injuries and playing on some meh teams hurt him.  He was better than his numbers suggest. 


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 02:27 PM

Derek is getting too nostalgic about the Richter years. Lundqvist is the better goalie. You don't think Lundqvist could have won the Cup with 1994 team? Do you think prime Richter is leading the Rangers of the last 7-8 years very far?  Henrik  had an incredible run in 2012 on a team that didn't have much business being there.

 

Richter played quite well in 1994. Lundqvist has played just as well in the playoffs, but just never had the benefit of being on a team nearly as good as the 1994 team.


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 03:00 PM

Derek is getting too nostalgic about the Richter years. Lundqvist is the better goalie. You don't think Lundqvist could have won the Cup with 1994 team? Do you think prime Richter is leading the Rangers of the last 7-8 years very far?  Henrik  had an incredible run in 2012 on a team that didn't have much business being there.

 

Richter played quite well in 1994. Lundqvist has played just as well in the playoffs, but just never had the benefit of being on a team nearly as good as the 1994 team.

 

Not saying that I disagree with your overall point, but in 2012 the Rangers were a top seed in the East and won the division.  They had a very good season (even if some will claim it was luck), and rightfully deserved to be in the ECF.  I'm not saying that they were the 80's Oilers, but you're selling that team and, by extension, the 2012 Devils, short of what they were.


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 03:09 PM

Not saying that I disagree with your overall point, but in 2012 the Rangers were a top seed in the East and won the division.  They had a very good season (even if some will claim it was luck), and rightfully deserved to be in the ECF.  I'm not saying that they were the 80's Oilers, but you're selling that team and, by extension, the 2012 Devils, short of what they were.

 

They most likely won the Atlantic and the East only because Crosby played 22 games, but  Lundqvist was excellent and the main reason they won the Conference. He won the Vezina, .930 save percentage, 8 shutouts. They scratched, clawed and barely survived  past the 7th and 8th seeds to get to the conference finals (Lundqvist had a .945 and .927 save percentage in those series)

 

The 2012 Devils weren't all that. Remember, they needed OT wins in game 6 and 7 to beat the Panthers. Devils got hot offensively for a few weeks, and didn't play against very tough teams. It was a fun ride, and that's all that matters.


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 04:46 PM

They most likely won the Atlantic and the East only because Crosby played 22 games, but  Lundqvist was excellent and the main reason they won the Conference. He won the Vezina, .930 save percentage, 8 shutouts. They scratched, clawed and barely survived  past the 7th and 8th seeds to get to the conference finals (Lundqvist had a .945 and .927 save percentage in those series)

 

The 2012 Devils weren't all that. Remember, they needed OT wins in game 6 and 7 to beat the Panthers. Devils got hot offensively for a few weeks, and didn't play against very tough teams. It was a fun ride, and that's all that matters.

 

we were a couple of bounces from winning the first 2 games of the finals. Which probably would have resulted in us winning the cup. That devils team was a very good team, we had tons of scoring depth, we had very solid defense and Marty played excellent in that play off run aside from the panthers games.

 

 

Some teams beat other teams due to match ups, the panthers gave us fits all year that year. It wasn't surprising that we struggled to beat them, given they had our number. But that didn't make us a bad team, and the rangers were tough as fvcking nails to play against, I feel like you must not have watched them in 2012. You know what was a large contributor to lunqvist excellent year in 2012? Extremely well executed play in their own zone, tons of shot blocking and sacrifice.

 

If the pens make it to the finals or win it all this year are they bad for struggling with the blue jackets?


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 05:09 PM

They most likely won the Atlantic and the East only because Crosby played 22 games, but  Lundqvist was excellent and the main reason they won the Conference. He won the Vezina, .930 save percentage, 8 shutouts. They scratched, clawed and barely survived  past the 7th and 8th seeds to get to the conference finals (Lundqvist had a .945 and .927 save percentage in those series)

 

The 2012 Devils weren't all that. Remember, they needed OT wins in game 6 and 7 to beat the Panthers. Devils got hot offensively for a few weeks, and didn't play against very tough teams. It was a fun ride, and that's all that matters.

 

With good goaltending the Panthers are probably done in 5.  The Devils got hot goaltending for several weeks and that's really what catapulted the team.  Were the Devils of 2012 elite?  Probably not, but there's definitely a case to be made that they were the best team out of the East that year.


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 06:51 PM

Pittsburgh needs to wake up. Rags really took it to them in that first.
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Posted 09 May 2014 - 07:27 PM

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