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#21 SterioDesign

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 11:18 AM

Salvador is a serviceable NHL defenseman with one year left on a contract at what is an average salary for an NHL defenseman.  If someone was willing to take Tallinder off our hands, they would do the same for Salvador.  Volchenkov can be amnestied, if that's the route Lou wants to go. 

 

If Clowe is not playing, it means his salary won't count towards the cap, and would be paid by insurance.  When he's on the ice, he's a useful player who is moderately overpaid. 

 

You can look at a player's value relative to his contract if you want to do some kind of abstract analysis of what player gives you the most bang for the buck.  In real life though, a player's salary only matters to the extent that it prevents a team from making some other plausible roster move.  You have yet to specify what player is out there that the Devils cannot now get because certain players are overpaid. 

 

Otherwise, none of us has any idea if ownership has an internal budget on salary, and under what circumstances it would be willing to bend if the right player becomes available. 

 

EDIT:  By way of example, the Wild had one of the worst allocations of salary over the past couple of years in Dany Heatley.  It did not prevent them from getting Parise and Suter, or trading for Pommenville, or doing anything else that they wanted to do.

 

Thats kind of the point why I wan't salvador or A-Train out. They MAYYY bring something useful once in awhile but guys like Fayne and Greene can take over that role + bring some offence once in awhile.

 

I want this team to become younger, faster and I want our kids to get more experience. Totally willing to deal with rookies brain farts at time. I did it all season with Gelinas and Merril and it never bothered me.

 

To me Greene is a better veteran and presence than Sal + plus he had some big moments scoring big goals for us. Needs to play steady

 

Merril will be really solid, seems like he has all the tools, he simply has to play now and learn in the NHL. Needs to play steady

 

Gelinas still have some stuff to work on but again he'll learn by playing and gaining confidence. Needs to play steady

 

Larsson, that poor kid. Was playing 20+ minutes awhile ago and then was rotting in the AHL. I don't think he'll become the top dman we all wanted, i just don't see him having the tools it needs but we'll see. He'll be a solid top 4 dman at the very least. Needs to play steady

 

Zids bring too much offence and creates so much that we can't let him go yet while we need production desperately. He's really not great defensively but at least he can make plays and get the puck out of the zone. A-Train and Sal can only slap it around the boards or off the glass. Only giving the puck to the other team most of the time. Needs to play steady

 

Fayne is a perfect top 4 for us IMO, he's still young and can produce once in awhile and can be real solid defensively. Needs to play steady

 

Harrold... well wtv. I like what he can bring once in awhile. I dont mind him but there's just no room. Perfect 7th guy i guess.

 

If there's injuries there's a few guys we can call up too it's really not a problem, especially if we already have 7-8 dmen in the NHL, some can take on bigger roles.

 

bottom line... i honestly don't think Sal or Volch are making us that much better "now" to compensate from not "investing" in our younger guys, which is what our future strength will be. 


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 11:39 AM

agree with most of the posts here and I think just about anyone would agree that we need to figure out a way to dump out sal and volch just a matter of how.. fayne and greene definitely need to be here over those two.
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Posted 15 April 2014 - 11:49 AM

I'd like to see all 6 go. Is that so wrong? Okay keep Zubrus around for 4th line minutes. All these players are still tradeable to me.

 

The guys with two seasons left (Zubrus, Volchenkov, and Ruutu) are all probably tough sells.  You're likely getting a similarly unappealing contract in return.

 

Ryder has the "buy low, possibly solid reward guy" potential.  Some GMs might be interested in Sal as a third-pairing guy, until they see videotape of him.  They probably wish he was $1 million cheaper. 

 

Not sure what appeal Brunner has to anyone.  He's already 28 and hasn't shown any improvement in his time in the NHL, and was a healthy scratch at times.  Another guy who might have more appeal at $1 million less.   


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 12:21 PM

[quote name="HellOnICE" post="1261211" timestamp="1397572789"]

I'm not sure no one takes Salvador. One team could looking to improve a PK, need a veteran guy who can play 3rd pairing - for one season. It's not crazy[/]

That team must not have any scouting department. I've appreciated Salvador for his toughness but he's pretty much finished. It's not crazy but it's not easy. And doesn't Salvador have a NTC? I doubt he waives and if he does it will be somewhere he wants to go but they may not want him to begin with. It also is tough trying to dump your team Captain. No way Deboer would support this move.

I don't see a Tallinder option for getting rid of Salvador but I guess it's possible.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 12:23 PM

[quote name="HellOnICE" post="1261211" timestamp="1397572789"]

I'm not sure no one takes Salvador. One team could looking to improve a PK, need a veteran guy who can play 3rd pairing - for one season. It's not crazy[/]

That team must not have any scouting department. I've appreciated Salvador for his toughness but he's pretty much finished. It's not crazy but it's not easy. And doesn't Salvador have a NTC? I doubt he waives and if he does it will be somewhere he wants to go but they may not want him to begin with. It also is tough trying to dump your team Captain. No way Deboer would support this move.

I don't see a Tallinder option for getting rid of Salvador but I guess it's possible.

 

Salvador does not have an NTC.  DeBoer would have no say over whether he gets traded, and probably wouldn't think it was the end of the world anyway. 


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 12:27 PM

Salvador does not have an NTC.  DeBoer would have no say over whether he gets traded, and probably wouldn't think it was the end of the world anyway. 

 

Someone quickly call Edmonton.  They have NO defenders.


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 12:46 PM

The guys with two seasons left (Zubrus, Volchenkov, and Ruutu) are all probably tough sells.  You're likely getting a similarly unappealing contract in return.

 

Ryder has the "buy low, possibly solid reward guy" potential.  Some GMs might be interested in Sal as a third-pairing guy, until they see videotape of him.  They probably wish he was $1 million cheaper. 

 

Not sure what appeal Brunner has to anyone.  He's already 28 and hasn't shown any improvement in his time in the NHL, and was a healthy scratch at times.  Another guy who might have more appeal at $1 million less.   

 

I should have specified that I think all players are tradeable by the trade deadline next year. At that point they will have little time left on their contracts and possibly have a place on another team where they are needed,


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 01:15 PM

Someone quickly call Edmonton. They have NO defenders.


Ok Lou - I'm Edmonton GM, give me Larsson and Gelinas and I'll give you RNH and Yakupov - deal?
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Posted 15 April 2014 - 01:18 PM

I should have specified that I think all players are tradeable by the trade deadline next year. At that point they will have little time left on their contracts and possibly have a place on another team where they are needed,

 

Definitely true...a guy like Sal (if he's playing decently) becomes a low-cost, decent depth move at next season's deadline.  But if the Devils have all six of those players on the roster by next year's deadline, then the Devils are probably in similar position to where they were last season...probably right around the final playoff seed.  I think Lou would like to move some of those bodies earlier, especially to free up some cash.


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 02:02 PM

to me for the owners its a matter of understanding... "ok, buying out those guys will cost us x amount of money... but it's an investissement for the future" cause really, those 2 guys are not giving us a better chance to win that much, they were in and out of the lineup with injuries at times and its like we didnt skip a beat with them. We struggled scoring all season, but having those guys playing 20+ minutes at time is somewhat assuming you're not gonna create much or good breakouts during those 20 minutes lol

 

i know we're a defensive team and i know i sound like offensive is everything and that its not everything. But you need to try a lot to score and you need special skills, you'll need a perfect play or guys or skills to score some goals. While wtv you do on defence you at least always have the goalie who can bail you out. (in most cases, unless the dman left a guy wide open on one side for an empty netter or wtv)


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 02:07 PM

Salvador does not have an NTC. DeBoer would have no say over whether he gets traded, and probably wouldn't think it was the end of the world anyway.


Ok. Was unsure of the NTC issue. Either way he's still close to unmoveable. Volchenkov might have to be amnestied and we just suck up one more year of Salvador before the young guns come knocking.
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Posted 15 April 2014 - 02:39 PM

Zids bring too much offence and creates so much that we can't let him go yet while we need production desperately. He's really not great defensively but at least he can make plays and get the puck out of the zone. A-Train and Sal can only slap it around the boards or off the glass. Only giving the puck to the other team most of the time. Needs to play steady

 

Fayne is a perfect top 4 for us IMO, he's still young and can produce once in awhile and can be real solid defensively. Needs to play steady

 

You're forgetting that we simply don't have the space for all of those players you want AND Volch/Sal.  Your post is unrealistic and entirely dependent on Lou getting rid of two players that are going to be hard to even trade.  You have stated before in previous posts that you don't have a lot of faith in Lou.  We as fans, as hardcore fans I should add, have to decide between Fayne and Zidlicky to bring back.  IMHO


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 03:05 PM

You're forgetting that we simply don't have the space for all of those players you want AND Volch/Sal.  Your post is unrealistic and entirely dependent on Lou getting rid of two players that are going to be hard to even trade.  You have stated before in previous posts that you don't have a lot of faith in Lou.  We as fans, as hardcore fans I should add, have to decide between Fayne and Zidlicky to bring back.  IMHO

 

i dont forget, all im pointing out is what the perfect scenario would be in a perfect world and what we really need. Not what i think will happen or wtv.

 

I also never said that i don't have a lot of faith in Lou. 


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 03:32 PM

 

I also never said that i don't have a lot of faith in Lou. 

 

Would you fault anyone for thinking that you don't, given your posts on Lou's shortcomings in the past year or so? I agree with most of what you wrote in this thread but it's hardly a leap of faith to think you lack faith in Lou.


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 03:50 PM

Would you fault anyone for thinking that you don't, given your posts on Lou's shortcomings in the past year or so? I agree with most of what you wrote in this thread but it's hardly a leap of faith to think you lack faith in Lou.

 

No i wouldn't fault anyone thinking that cause it's a very fine line. 

 

To be specific and i explained myself plenty of times, Lou is a genius and a mastermind when it comes to hockey and i would not have trade him for anyone in the last 20+ years. He made the Devils what they are today.

 

BUT, i honestly think his stubbornness his costing him at times and is absolutely unnecessary. I never expected him to be perfect and never make mistakes but when something is made out of stubbornness i absolutely cant stand it and i truly believe that he could have been even a greater GM if he would have been a little more open and not as anal about some stuff.

 

I was never behind the strict rules he had like no beards/no twitter or sh!t like that or closed to public practices or training camp and sh!t like that. It obviously didnt help to market the team at some extend and some secrecy surrounding the organization is also over the top and only make sense in his own mind.

 

Again, it's like if your gf never locks the doors on the car, you hate it and keep on telling her to lock the doors. Never got busted or stolen anything in 15 years or wtv so you don't really have a point to make or anything to say unless that "technically you really should do this cause it could be bad" and you get in arguments for years and she keeps on saying that nothing ever happened to to calm down.

 

So that one day that your car is stolen because the door was unlocked, well you're gonna snap and all those repressed frustrations are gonna explose and the "i told you so's" will be flying. Thats pretty much what happened with me when Lou (imo) sh!t the bed with Zach. lol


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 04:04 PM

No i wouldn't fault anyone thinking that cause it's a very fine line.

To be specific and i explained myself plenty of times, Lou is a genius and a mastermind when it comes to hockey and i would not have trade him for anyone in the last 20+ years. He made the Devils what they are today.

BUT, i honestly think his stubbornness his costing him at times and is absolutely unnecessary. I never expected him to be perfect and never make mistakes but when something is made out of stubbornness i absolutely cant stand it and i truly believe that he could have been even a greater GM if he would have been a little more open and not as anal about some stuff.

I was never behind the strict rules he had like no beards/no twitter or sh!t like that or closed to public practices or training camp and sh!t like that. It obviously didnt help to market the team at some extend and some secrecy surrounding the organization is also over the top and only make sense in his own mind.

Again, it's like if your gf never locks the doors on the car, you hate it and keep on telling her to lock the doors. Never got busted or stolen anything in 15 years or wtv so you don't really have a point to make or anything to say unless that "technically you really should do this cause it could be bad" and you get in arguments for years and she keeps on saying that nothing ever happened to to calm down.

So that one day that your car is stolen because the door was unlocked, well you're gonna snap and all those repressed frustrations are gonna explose and the "i told you so's" will be flying. Thats pretty much what happened with me when Lou (imo) sh!t the bed with Zach. lol


LL said he does negotiate during the season so that analogy only works if your gf was actually locking the door, but just didn't tell you about it.
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Posted 15 April 2014 - 04:11 PM

LL said he does negotiate during the season so that analogy only works if your gf was actually locking the door, but just didn't tell you about it.

 

Like lou Said... words are cheap. You clearly choose to believe Lou who's in a corner in a very bad spot right now possibly saying stuff to save his ass. And saying you think guys like Elias, Brodeur, Zach etc etc would just lie publicly to the media about being frustrated about Lou's way of not dealing during the season. Cause really they'd have to 1- go out of their way to pretend to be frustrated 2- make up a lie.... that doesnt add up at all. It's one thing to keep something secret like not talking about a trade or talks... its another level to pretend its pissing you off.

 

Again people will believe what they want to believe. 


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 04:57 PM

Like lou Said... words are cheap. You clearly choose to believe Lou who's in a corner in a very bad spot right now possibly saying stuff to save his ass. And saying you think guys like Elias, Brodeur, Zach etc etc would just lie publicly to the media about being frustrated about Lou's way of not dealing during the season. Cause really they'd have to 1- go out of their way to pretend to be frustrated 2- make up a lie.... that doesnt add up at all. It's one thing to keep something secret like not talking about a trade or talks... its another level to pretend its pissing you off.

 

Again people will believe what they want to believe. 

 

Yes, and you will believe what you want to believe, certainly.  Even though Lou just said 'I've started contract negotiations with people and you haven't known about it' and that ownership was partly responsible for why Parise was unsigned (something which I've said for 3 years), you continue to go on and on and on and on and on and on about this.


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 05:25 PM

Yes, and you will believe what you want to believe, certainly.  Even though Lou just said 'I've started contract negotiations with people and you haven't known about it' and that ownership was partly responsible for why Parise was unsigned (something which I've said for 3 years), you continue to go on and on and on and on and on and on about this.

 

yeah. he said that yesterday. yet i keep on going on and on and on about it ever since hey lol 


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 06:31 PM

Maybe Lou can trade SD and MB for DiG and DinLA? 


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