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#221 2ELIAS6

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 08:57 PM

iam not getting my hopes up at all what so ever.. i just dont think we will get any descent fa .. for example someone a lot of us would like to have stastny would be getting way too big of a pay day for lou to even be a bidder and i doubt he would even have any interest in coming here... be prepared for the gionta brothers..probably about as exciting as its going to get.
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Posted 01 June 2014 - 09:03 PM

with the success of the rags, and the fact we've missed the playoffs two seasons in a row now, I hope Lou has a little more urgency to get this team competitive ASAP


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 09:06 PM

with the success of the rags, and the fact we've missed the playoffs two seasons in a row now, I hope Lou has a little more urgency to get this team competitive ASAP

the problem is what he thinks its going to take to get competitive compared to what we all think its really going to take are kind of 2 different things... i think he believes he pretty much has the pieces he needs to be competitive
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Posted 01 June 2014 - 09:09 PM

We are competitive. Most of the league is competitive, the nature of parity.

 

If anything I'd say you can't worry about the NYR or Chicago or whoever. You need to look at our roster and do what you can to improve it piece by piece without making a mistep. It's a very hard job.


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 09:09 PM

the problem is what he thinks its going to take to get competitive compared to what we all think its really going to take are kind of 2 different things... i think he believes he pretty much has the pieces he needs to be competitive

but Lou knows we need scoring and we need some speed...he has to bring in some help


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 09:17 PM

Cordell has assumed the Devils could be interested in a MIke Richards. The problem is I see Richards as a 3rd line center at this point in his career. He's got a ton of miles on him and it's starting to show in his production. He's definitely not top 6, but his contract is prohibitive to make a trade for him. I think his cap number is sort-of-kind-of OK, but I'm not sure I'd want to sign up for 6 more years. Maybe if they bought him out, and then we'd get into a bidding war for a 3rd line center...


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 09:40 PM

2ELIAS6, on 01 Jun 2014 - 9:57 PM, said:2ELIAS6, on 01 Jun 2014 - 9:57 PM, said:

 be prepared for the gionta brothers..probably about as exciting as its going to get.

 

 

As much as I'd like to disagree... I can't. All signs point to Lou signing Brian Gionta and then adding a few utility players on the cheap. He wanted to trade for Gionta earlier in the year. You know he has to be salivating at the chance to bring him back to NJ this offseason. Lou being given a chance to sign an ex-Devil is like handing a drunk the keys to a Jack Daniels distillery.


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 11:23 PM

I wouldn't take Mike Richards for free.  I don't know where anyone is getting the idea that the Kings are married to the guy.


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 11:34 PM

We are competitive. Most of the league is competitive, the nature of parity.

 

If anything I'd say you can't worry about the NYR or Chicago or whoever. You need to look at our roster and do what you can to improve it piece by piece without making a mistep. It's a very hard job.

 

I like the idea being expressed in this thread that NJ needs to get both younger and better, because look at what the Rangers are doing.  Yeah, that's real easy, you just get all the young players available on the free agent market, and boom, Stanley Cup.


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 09:22 AM

I like the idea being expressed in this thread that NJ needs to get both younger and better, because look at what the Rangers are doing.  Yeah, that's real easy, you just get all the young players available on the free agent market, and boom, Stanley Cup.

 

the rangers did get younger - it just took them a while - steppan, kreider, mcdonaugh, hagelin - these are their young guys. but they drafted/traded for them. the devils also have plenty of youth - larsson, gelinas, merrill, henrique - they're just not the offensive leaders.

 

we've discussed, ad nauseum, that marty and shootouts cost this team the playoffs. one is quite hopefully being taking care of and the other hopefully just has regression to assist. what the devils need to try and find is someone who can score goals. its sounds simple and hard (that's what they need and it's not easy to find that). they tried last year with ryder - that's what he was brought in to do. he didn't do enough in that department and was dreadful in every other.


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 09:28 AM

Richards best days are behind him. I'm glad to see Deboer and Lou are discussing some changes.
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Posted 02 June 2014 - 09:29 AM

As much as I'd like to disagree... I can't. All signs point to Lou signing Brian Gionta and then adding a few utility playe

 

I can't help but think that the new owners know what's at stake. I'm sure they would have given Lou an ultimatum by now that the residual effects of Parise/Kovalchuk leaving better end on July 1st, or else. Attendance, ratings, and of course success all hinge on Lou getting a star or two on offense. For the first time in forever, an internal budget/cap ceiling isn't the major consideration Lou has to navigate around, he's kind of left to do his job and hopefully make some impactful deals. I won't be excited until those deals are made though.


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 09:40 AM

What signs Slasher? What signs point to anything Lou will or won't do. We never know what Lou will or won't do. I mean Kovalchuk's trade might've been the one thing people called a few days before it happened, was it Denis Potvin?

 

Rangers got younger, for sure. Sather did a good job. I hope his assistant leaves soon, as I have heard he's been a real key key in that organizational development in recent years. Jeff Gorton.

 

What I'd say is though, if the Rangers lose this cup, they may have a setback for a couple of seasons with young guys growing into bigger contracts, role players getting overpaid from other teams, and leaders like Nash, Lundqvist getting older.  They gave up a lot (and had to) to get Saint Louis, but he's getting up there. How many years does he have left at a high level. They do not have 1st rounders for 3 years straight and not a surplus of talented young guns coming into the line up.

 

There's a real fine line between moving forward, sideways and down in this league. GMs need to be steady, pounce on opportunities and every now and then, take the risks when you absolutely have to.


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 10:33 AM

I agree with you that NY's window is extremely small. If they don't win this year or next year, you're looking at a few very long contracts weighing them down into the 2020s... A declining Henrik (after next year maybe), Nash/Richards (depending on who they buy out this July), even Dan Girardi's, who I don't think his level of play stays constant through 2020. And that's not even taking into account some of the kids who are fighting for a big contract next year and beyond, and the lack of first rounders. I don't think they're due for an Islanders-type regression but I do see them evening out a bit. This year and next year are Cup or bust in Rangerstown in my opinion. The MSL trade is kinda symbolic of Sather recognizing this 2-3 year window.


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 11:08 AM

iam not getting my hopes up at all what so ever.. i just dont think we will get any descent fa .. for example someone a lot of us would like to have stastny would be getting way too big of a pay day for lou to even be a bidder and i doubt he would even have any interest in coming here... be prepared for the gionta brothers..probably about as exciting as its going to get.

If Lou was prepared to pay/match big time for Zach(not that long ago and btw w/Kovy still in the fold), why is Stastny out of the question. Teams that are strong down the middle won't pay as much, but his dad (Peter) likes Lou. Gionta bros.? you might be right.  Brian w/ miles on him is a third liner these days. Hope Lou doesn't


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 11:24 AM

If Lou was prepared to pay/match big time for Zach(not that long ago and btw w/Kovy still in the fold), why is Stastny out of the question. Teams that are strong down the middle won't pay as much, but his dad (Peter) likes Lou. Gionta bros.? you might be right.  Brian w/ miles on him is a third liner these days. Hope Lou doesn't

 

Did Lou ever confirmed he matched Minnesota's offer?  All I remember him saying is that he put in a "competative offer" which can be very subjective.  His could have been $10M apart from the Wild's offer and in his mind that would be "competative."


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 11:34 AM

Did Lou ever confirmed he matched Minnesota's offer?  All I remember him saying is that he put in a "competative offer" which can be very subjective.  His could have been $10M apart from the Wild's offer and in his mind that would be "competative."

 

But even so, with an 8 year max term now allowed by the new CBA, a ±$7M overall cap hit that he might've offered to Parise is probably more than what it takes to get Stastny. Can't see us not being competitive to get a player like him, especially now that we actually have money.

 

Is he the answer to all our prayers? Who knows? I would sure hope so, but that's the kind of risk you take with every UFA. And guys like Vanek and Gaborik (especially) seem out of our league, price wise.

 

Getting a guy like Stastny, as well as one of Vrbata, Jokinen, or Moulson would constitute an extremely successful offseason for New Jersey, especially if Schneider is re-signed. Solid team and a good use of about the same money we were just paying Kovalchuk and Brodeur just a year ago.


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 11:37 AM

The Rangers signed two of the top college UDFAs and have a few guys that they just drafted in Buchenvich and Duclair who look like they might be something.  I'd hold off on the 'Rangers have a short window' talk, though certainly if they lose Stralman they'll be worse off.


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 11:44 AM

I'm a bit more concerned about how the Devils can remain competitive in their division much less make the playoffs.


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 12:13 PM

Seeing the rangers make the cup makes me more upset about not making the playoffs. The east was terribly mediocre this year and the rangers made the most of their breaks. The only thing separating the devils and a 65 game season from Schneider from the rangers were a couple of goals
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