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#521 SMantzas

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 11:53 AM

The question is how much more Fayne adds than Volchenkov and Salvador, both of whom you'd be paying more, and if you'd be comfortable giving Fayne more minutes than he's gotten, especially when you take into account that he would presumably make that up by getting PK time.  (It's also possible that Fayne's average icetime looks low because he was in DeBoer's doghouse for the first month or two of the season). 

 

I don't know the nuts and bolts, but it really seems like the Devils PK is close to being a set of interchangeable parts.  I mean, I guess Volchenkov adds a shot blocking element, but I don't see what Salvador brings that can't be taught to a more skilled player.   

As much as I/we rip Salvador and Volchenkov, they are very good on the PK.  There are certain instincts out there that can only be refined with experience.  By the way, I don't think Fayne coming back is contingent on a buyout.  He is a RH and I suspect both he and Larsson can't both exist on the roster.  If they think Larsson can replace what he does, than I doubt he is back


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 11:55 AM

Although they are top pk'ers you have to take into account that Volch and Sal are one year older in the downside of their careers. That means they'll be much slower and injury prone. It's just a matter of time before they become completely useless. Sal scares the hell out of me in his own zone. His puck handling has become very shaky and reactionary.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 01:39 PM

I really hope the staff don't  plan on trying to keep the 4th line intact. It's time to let that go.

It really is. I was hopeful that they'd finally realize that now that it has been two seasons since CBGB was so productive.

 

I'd be happy with a fourth line of: Carter-Zubrus-Matteau

 

That would leave space in the top 9 for:

Jagr

Zajac

Elias

Henrique

Clowe

Brunner

Ryder

Ruutu

 

Then Lou could probably sign a UFA for that last spot, if that's his plan. Moving Ryder to a team with a system that he better fits would open up a spot for Josefson, too, who hopefully will be a regular this season.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 01:46 PM

It really is. I was hopeful that they'd finally realize that now that it has been two seasons since CBGB was so productive.

 

I'd be happy with a fourth line of: Carter-Zubrus-Matteau

 

That would leave space in the top 9 for:

Jagr

Zajac

Elias

Henrique

Clowe

Brunner

Ryder

Ruutu

 

Then Lou could probably sign a UFA for that last spot, if that's his plan. Moving Ryder to a team with a system that he better fits would open up a spot for Josefson, too, who hopefully will be a regular this season.

 

It's been one season since Carter-Gionta-Bernier was productive.  They combined for 18 goals in 2012-13, which is perfectly acceptable for the roles they were playing.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 01:57 PM

why are the Devils worried about the fourth line when they need to address the first two lines


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 02:10 PM

Really happy to see Sislo get re-signed. I hope he can break through and get a place on the 4th line.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 02:53 PM

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 03:56 PM

Thinking about this past season.. I hope Lou does something to add some excitement to this team.

 

Because now that these exciting playoffs are over, I'm starting to remember just how horribly dull and boring the Devils were this past season.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 04:15 PM

Thinking about this past season.. I hope Lou does something to add some excitement to this team.

 

Because now that these exciting playoffs are over, I'm starting to remember just how horribly dull and boring the Devils were this past season.

 

Excitement?

 

I bet every time Lou hears that word he does this check of his own mental dictionary while thinking "EX-SIGH-MENT!?" a la Mr. Burns with recycling when Lisa asked if his plant had a recycling program.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 04:53 PM

I can't believe there's so much focus on the 4th line. I thought they were more efficient than our 3rd line, especially with how little the 4th line was getting paid.

I'd honestly be fine with keeping the 4th line and getting some other players off my team if it meant we were renovating our first two lines

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 05:48 PM

It's been one season since Carter-Gionta-Bernier was productive. They combined for 18 goals in 2012-13, which is perfectly acceptable for the roles they were playing.


What about all their other metrics/ stats?
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Posted 18 June 2014 - 06:50 PM

What about all their other metrics/ stats?

 

Carter and Bernier were fine that season.  Gionta wasn't.  He came around this season.  One of the things I wish we had data on, and I don't have the ability to figure this out at all, is the future Corsi value of a single Corsi event.  Imagine that Team A gets a Corsi event that is not a goal.  How often does the next Corsi event belong to Team A?  Reverse it - how often after scoring a goal does the Corsi event belong to Team A?  One of the things I wonder is that since the Gionta line was so poor at scoring goals in 2013-14, is some of their improvement in Corsi a result of the puck not going in?  I'm not sure.

 

Even if you give that line in 2012-13 30 scoreless games they would've been NJ's best full season 4th line since Rupp-Holik-? in 2009.  Granted a lot of the time they were the 3rd line and here they were miscast, but I can't imagine that's the idea next year.  And again, the focus on the 4th line is ridiculous.  The Devils had a forward not pulling his weight on each of the top 3 lines.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 07:04 PM

Lou will lose Fayne, keep Sal, secure the CBGB line and go through the motions the rest of the way. We've seen this movie before and it has a very dull ending.
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Posted 18 June 2014 - 07:53 PM

Lou will lose Fayne, keep Sal, secure the CBGB line and go through the motions the rest of the way. We've seen this movie before and it has a very dull ending.

 

We've seen this post quite often and it too has a very dull ending.  Like last year, when Lou signed 5 forwards and traded for a top goaltender - yawn, business as usual.  Same old sh!t.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 07:59 PM

Carter and Bernier were fine that season.  Gionta wasn't.  He came around this season.  One of the things I wish we had data on, and I don't have the ability to figure this out at all, is the future Corsi value of a single Corsi event.  Imagine that Team A gets a Corsi event that is not a goal.  How often does the next Corsi event belong to Team A?  Reverse it - how often after scoring a goal does the Corsi event belong to Team A?  One of the things I wonder is that since the Gionta line was so poor at scoring goals in 2013-14, is some of their improvement in Corsi a result of the puck not going in?  I'm not sure.

 

Even if you give that line in 2012-13 30 scoreless games they would've been NJ's best full season 4th line since Rupp-Holik-? in 2009.  Granted a lot of the time they were the 3rd line and here they were miscast, but I can't imagine that's the idea next year.  And again, the focus on the 4th line is ridiculous.  The Devils had a forward not pulling his weight on each of the top 3 lines.

 

Interesting, I have many of the same questions and I'm not sure either.  Bernier did a complete reversal and was probably one of the worst players in all of hockey when accounting for minimum games played this season. Carter spent some time nicked up, but when he played he was useful and impactful.  Gionta was very up and down this year.  Some streaks he was effective, but also misused in a lot of others.  Some games he got completely manhandled and played poorly positionally speaking when put at Center.

 

If they get played like a 3rd line this year, it's very questionable whether we can think of being a playoff team. 


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:25 PM

We've seen this post quite often and it too has a very dull ending. Like last year, when Lou signed 5 forwards and traded for a top goaltender - yawn, business as usual. Same old sh!t.


Aside from a 42 year old Jagr, the rest of those forwards really tore it up, huh? Not to mention Clowe is one hit away from the ER. The players he acquired fit the Devils mold. Which is why i said, going through the motions. The goalie acquisition was nice to see though. That trade was very un-Lou like.
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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:27 PM

How do the Rangers and Pitt have more cap space than us?


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:31 PM

How do the Rangers and Pitt have more cap space than us?


They both have more spots to fill.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:35 PM

They both have more spots to fill.


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For some reason I think they'll fill spots and still manage to land some big names.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:43 PM

For some reason I think they'll fill spots and still manage to land some big names.



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