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#541 Daniel

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:49 PM

For some reason I think they'll fill spots and still manage to land some big names.


The Penguins have 15 million to fill six spaces that don't include a backup goalie without a significant amnesty candidate. Absent a big trade, no chance.

Assuming the Rags amnesty Richards, they could probably throw a lot of money at one big name, but it would be tight.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:51 PM

Aside from a 42 year old Jagr, the rest of those forwards really tore it up, huh? Not to mention Clowe is one hit away from the ER. The players he acquired fit the Devils mold. Which is why i said, going through the motions. The goalie acquisition was nice to see though. That trade was very un-Lou like.

Ryder and Brunner don't really fit the mold and trading for a top goalie is a splash no matter how you want to portray it.
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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:54 PM

Aside from a 42 year old Jagr, the rest of those forwards really tore it up, huh? Not to mention Clowe is one hit away from the ER. The players he acquired fit the Devils mold. Which is why i said, going through the motions. The goalie acquisition was nice to see though. That trade was very un-Lou like.

 

It's easy to look back in hindsight and complain about past moves after they don't work out without looking at the situation as a whole. Ryder has a history as a consistent goal scorer, Brunner and Olesz were signed based on potential for cheap, and Clowe delivered as expected when not hurt. 

 

And the trade was what Lou does. He makes those moves when he sees a reason or opportunity, like he did with Gilmour, Mogilny, Kovalchuk, etc. 


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:58 PM

Ryder and Brunner don't really fit the mold and trading for a top goalie is a splash no matter how you want to portray it.


I hope the Devils lock him up. Schneider should be priority #1
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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:58 PM

I guess this whole discussion is predicated on whether or not we can actually get a big name UFA to come here. I'm reminded of Clowe's response in getting signed with NJ when he said the price and terms were right. There was no mention of wanting to play with the Devils. This club is still in the lower tier as far as being a sexy place to play.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:03 PM

It's easy to look back in hindsight and complain about past moves after they don't work out without looking at the situation as a whole. Ryder has a history as a consistent goal scorer, Brunner and Olesz were signed based on potential for cheap, and Clowe delivered as expected when not hurt.

And the trade was what Lou does. He makes those moves when he sees a reason or opportunity, like he did with Gilmour, Mogilny, Kovalchuk, etc.


I hear ya and know where you're coming from. I guess a part of me would rather see this team miss the playoffs for 3-5 years if it meant getting a chance to build a roster like the Kings or Hawks. If I knew we could potentially pull that off, I'd actually be patient with the work ahead. As opposed to cheap low tier acquisitions (minus Schneider), and barely making the playoffs.
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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:08 PM

The Penguins have 15 million to fill six spaces that don't include a backup goalie without a significant amnesty candidate. Absent a big trade, no chance.

Assuming the Rags amnesty Richards, they could probably throw a lot of money at one big name, but it would be tight.


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Rangers might be able to, but they'll have to say goodbye to a couple of their key role players from this year who will undoubtedly.  Rangers hit on almost all of their cheap pickups over the last year or few years (Boyle, Zuccarello, Stralman, Pouliot, Moore).  I'd be surprised if Sather/AV have that success again in such a short window/turnaround needed on the roster.

Keep in mind the Pens have a bit of a pickle on defense.  It's overall a pretty crummy unit to begin with, with an oft-maligned/enigmatic Paul Martin who has at least done enough to force the Pens to keep him around.  They have Niskanen who emerged in Letang's absence and is hitting FA who will be able to get a nice contract, I'd be surprised if they kept him.  Orpik who is close to finished, and Scuderi who they brought back and is pretty close to Salvador territory.

The jewel of the bunch (Maata) will now be coming off serious injury/surgery the first part of the season.  Letang is now highly paid, has questions surrounding his durability with the stroke going forward, and appears less than enthused/capable of playing solid defense.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:11 PM

It's easy to look back in hindsight and complain about past moves after they don't work out without looking at the situation as a whole. Ryder has a history as a consistent goal scorer, Brunner and Olesz were signed based on potential for cheap, and Clowe delivered as expected when not hurt. 

 

And the trade was what Lou does. He makes those moves when he sees a reason or opportunity, like he did with Gilmour, Mogilny, Kovalchuk, etc. 

 

If we drafted better over the longer haul, Lou probably wouldn't be taking so much heat (including from me).

Lou does his best on the trading front and finding fits/values for the roster.  I don't think he will sign any outside FAs this offseason, absent maybe a 4th line type to replace one of the 4th liners.  I think he will be active on the trade front however.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:59 PM

Interesting, I have many of the same questions and I'm not sure either.  Bernier did a complete reversal and was probably one of the worst players in all of hockey when accounting for minimum games played this season. Carter spent some time nicked up, but when he played he was useful and impactful.  Gionta was very up and down this year.  Some streaks he was effective, but also misused in a lot of others.  Some games he got completely manhandled and played poorly positionally speaking when put at Center.

 

If they get played like a 3rd line this year, it's very questionable whether we can think of being a playoff team. 

 

They won't be played as a 3rd line unless there are injuries.  Bernier was not one of the worst players in hockey - he just didn't finish and the goalies didn't make a save behind him.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:18 PM

which came first schneider or the new owners


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:18 PM

I hope the devils buy out Clowe. I could skate faster than him and still wouldn't get injured as much...


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:20 PM

I hope the devils buy out Clowe. I could skate faster than him and still wouldn't get injured as much...

They couldn't buy-out Clowe even if they wanted to. If his concussion issues persist, he'll be Prongered to LTIR.
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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:22 PM

I hope the devils buy out Clowe. I could skate faster than him and still wouldn't get injured as much...

 

I don't think Clowe can be bought out.


Clowe actually put up decent numbers this past season.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 11:00 PM

I hear ya and know where you're coming from. I guess a part of me would rather see this team miss the playoffs for 3-5 years if it meant getting a chance to build a roster like the Kings or Hawks. If I knew we could potentially pull that off, I'd actually be patient with the work ahead. As opposed to cheap low tier acquisitions (minus Schneider), and barely making the playoffs.

 

I see where you're coming from. The problem I have is that 3 - 5 losing years doesn't guarantee a good team. For every Kings and Hawks there's an Oilers and Islanders. I think this team has enough pieces (especially defense and goaltending) to be successful within the next 2 - 3 seasons if the right forwards get plugged in. Keep in mind Lou won't be around much longer. We may be seeing that rebuild when he leaves and the new guy decides to put his own stamp on things. 


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 11:57 PM

Devil Dan 56, on 19 Jun 2014 - 12:00 AM, said:

We may be seeing that rebuild when he leaves and the new guy decides to put his own stamp on things. 

 

 

Lou is only 71 years old, seems to be in good health, and seems to enjoy what he's doing. He could be the GM for another 10 years, and absolutely no one will fire him. So, I dunno.. i'm not so sure he's retiring so soon.


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 12:31 AM

For a buyout of Clowe to make sense, the Devils have to expect to get less than the difference of his buyout and his actual contract.  Buying him out would cost 12.79M, playing him costs 19.2.  So the Devils would have to expect less than 6.4M in value over the life of the contract, which even given the concussion issues he's had, doesn't seem likely to me.  Two more seasons like the one he just had would get him there.


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 03:39 AM

I'm thinking Clowe is fine.  I think I'd be kind of swaying towards Brian Boyle.  Although I wouldn't pay him 2m/year that's for sure.  The player that I wanted to point out was Patrik Elias.  I sat down and stared at the stats and he had 53 points in 65 games.  Has he slowed in skating at all?  I was thinking that the only thing that's truly going to slow Patty down would be injuries, as compared to his age slowing him down. 


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 08:02 AM

Lou is only 71 years old, seems to be in good health, and seems to enjoy what he's doing. He could be the GM for another 10 years, and absolutely no one will fire him. So, I dunno.. i'm not so sure he's retiring so soon.

"Only" 71..

Being a GM is a pretty stressful job for anyone, let alone a man in his 70s.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 08:52 AM

I mean, sure, it's stressful...but something tells me if he's been doing it for 30 years, the guys like him, Poile and Sather have figured out a system of ways to make their lives very manageable. Let's remember they are helming a hockey team. They don't have nuclear missles or brain surgery to do in the morning. At the end of the day, I think they know this.


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 08:59 AM

Lou seems like the type of guy that if he had surgery for a major illness the minute he got out of the hospital he would be back in his office doing business as usual.

Maybe as he gets older he'll dish-off some duties to whoever he feels can become the "Next One"


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