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#941 devilsrule33

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 10:28 PM

I'm really not ready to trade Gelinas in many packages, and definitely not because the Devils have Severson. Not sure he's going to translate into a big offensive players. Let's see how this AHL season goes.

 

As for Gelinas...rookie season of 29 points in 60 games on crummy offensive team, and I believe he played mostly on the 2nd PP.

 

His defense was atrocious. Probably as bad as I can remember any defenseman playing on the Devils. Definitely don't blame Pete for scratching him at all, but it just seemed like there was too much thinking being asked of him by the way he was jerked around."

 

"We are scratching you because your defense sucks, and you need to improve it"

"Be more physical because you are big and that's what big defenseman do"

"But our team desperately needs offense, so we will play you, but don't be stupid and be smart defensively"

"Just we REALLY need your offense..so create something"

"Okay, you suck defensively, but we need offense, so you'll be the 7th defenseman and get no shifts"

"Better do something offensively or there is no reason for you in the lineup....but don't fvck up"

 

He'll figure it out. I'm excited for him to QB the first PP, and put up some good numbers. Not expecting him to be remotely good defensively, but some improvements have to be there. Just don't try and hit anybody.


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 10:32 PM

I don't think he'll be on the first unit this year.  I don't think what he wants to do works with what guys like Jagr and Elias want to do.  I think the first unit'll be Jagr-Elias-Cammalleri-Zidlicky-?  where ? can really be anyone from Merrill to Zajac to Greene, and the 2nd unit will have Gelinas, some D, Henrique, Clowe, Ryder/Havlat.  This team has too many forwards.

 

Also I think Kurtis Foster was worse defensively, though he was better positionally, I suppose.  


Edited by Triumph, 10 July 2014 - 10:34 PM.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 11:40 PM

Henrique, and a dman/pick is a loss of a trade for Kane IMO. We lose a valuable forward, potential pick and value on the back end for a a forward. Isn't worth it!!!
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Posted 10 July 2014 - 11:48 PM

Lot of people overrating Henrique here. 36 goals and 23 assists in the past two years (119 games). Sure it hasn't always been roses with linemates, but if you have him penciled in as a center....23 assists in 119 games! Then there is his incredible high shooting percentage (5th in the NHL last season).

 

If you have him penciled in as part of the core, the Devils don't have much of a core then. Obviously the ideal thing is to trade a defenseman for more offense, but no one on the NJ defense is getting you Kane. Of course this exercise is irrelevant since I don't think Kane is the player Lou goes after.


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 06:46 AM

You wouldn't trade Henrique for EKane straight up?? That's surprising. EKane is a pure talent who has the near term potential of being a superstar. He hits a lot. Shoots a lot. Is a fun player to watch. Henrique is a potential 30 goal scorer, but he's nowhere near as dynamic or talented a player as EKane. I think any discussion would indeed involve a player like Henrique. I disagree that it would take Henrique + Ryder + Young D + 1st. That's not realistic based on the fact Kane seems to want out and Jets need to do something. I think Henrique + Ryder + 1st gets it done without a D for sure, and I think it's also possible Henrique + Ryder + high 2nd gets it done. Granted, all with the caveat that it's highly unlikely NJ is even looking at him.

it's close, I mean you say henrique is a potential 30 goal scorer yet Kane has only scored 30 goals and 50 points once. It's not as if he's already a bonafide star. Take out the lockout year and their stats over the past 3 years are very similar. I'm sure Kane will be the better player in the end but henrique is a top end pker. It's close straight up but I'm not adding a first rounder or a prospect.

Your right it's not happening, not because we're not looking at Kane but because henrique will never be traded. But it's also July and we all miss hockey.
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Posted 11 July 2014 - 09:46 AM

it's close, I mean you say henrique is a potential 30 goal scorer yet Kane has only scored 30 goals and 50 points once. It's not as if he's already a bonafide star. Take out the lockout year and their stats over the past 3 years are very similar. I'm sure Kane will be the better player in the end but henrique is a top end pker. It's close straight up but I'm not adding a first rounder or a prospect.

Your right it's not happening, not because we're not looking at Kane but because henrique will never be traded. But it's also July and we all miss hockey.

 

This.  Lou isn't going to give up what is an established two-way center for a player like that.  I believe you can call him an established 2-way player, but he's definitely still has more to prove on the offensive side of the puck.  Lou lives to have homegrown players like that.  You don't get far in this league without having depth in the center position, and getting rid of Henrique does hurt that, regardless whether Henrique is a better wing than a center.  You lose Henrique, you're down to Zajac and Elias, and who after them can play in the top 6 AND win draws?  You're looking at Ruutu, Zubrus, Josefson.  


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 11:15 AM

 

Do not even think of trading this kid.


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 11:39 AM

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 11:47 AM



Do not even think of trading this kid.


I'll like him a lot more when he figures out the defensive side of defense. This will be a big year for him.
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Posted 11 July 2014 - 12:49 PM

 

Do not even think of trading this kid.

In that video, I find it funny how DeBoer thinks that Bernier is this gritty power forward that is really effective in front of the net.  I don't see it. If you just need a big body, that's what we pay Zubrus 3.1/year for.  Putting Bernier out there on a 4 on 4 in OT.  That's like putting Gionta out there because he has speed.  


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 12:52 PM

In that video, I find it funny how DeBoer thinks that Bernier is this gritty power forward that is really effective in front of the net.  I don't see it. If you just need a big body, that's what we pay Zubrus 3.1/year for.  Putting Bernier out there on a 4 on 4 in OT.  That's like putting Gionta out there because he has speed.  

 

I'll disagree. Bernier works with Gelinas' shot because unlike many of our top forwards, they don't want to get dirty. Bernier fully accepts that role and is willing to take the risk of getting a hard slapper to the face.

 

When Gelinas is on the ice, you still need a guy to screen the goalie. No matter how hard a player shoots from the point, a goalie will most likely stop it if they see it. Bernier is that guy.

 

It was a 4-on-3 PP, btw. That's the perfect time to go with Bernier.


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 01:00 PM

I'll disagree. Bernier works with Gelinas' shot because unlike many of our top forwards, they don't want to get dirty. Bernier fully accepts that role and is willing to take the risk of getting a hard slapper to the face.

 

When Gelinas is on the ice, you still need a guy to screen the goalie. No matter how hard a player shoots from the point, a goalie will most likely stop it if they see it. Bernier is that guy.

 

It was a 4-on-3 PP, btw. That's the perfect time to go with Bernier.

Oh, whoops, wasn't watching Rags players as much as the Devils, definitely my bad. I don't know, I think Zubrus would be just as effective in front of the goalie, if not better and harder to displace and remove.  


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