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#21 Devils731

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:49 PM

Great that Jagr is back.

Does this also mean Jagr believes the team will be making additional moves to get better?
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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:23 PM

Great that Jagr is back.

Does this also mean Jagr believes the team will be making additional moves to get better?

 

Who knows what Lou says in private, but I thought it was funny what he said in his end of season presser to the media:

 

 

Q: A few Devils players at times this season have said they need a top scorer added to the roster. Obviously, it’s easier said than done. Nobody is going to hand you Sidney Crosby, but is that something you really feel this team needs going forward?

 

Lamoriello: “Well, let me put it to you this way: I've love to have that player who said that to you tell me. He should never worry about what you don't have. He should make the most of what you have. And that to me is something I don't really like to hear, that a player would be worried about what we don't have. Their job is to perform within the abilities that we have. It's what you make out of what you have, not what you don't have."

 

All year, Jagr and Brodeur got free rein to say what they wanted, so maybe Jagr was able to extract that from Lou, but I doubt it.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:27 PM

Glad to see him coming back. They still have more work to do but I like this signing. 


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:42 PM

5-6 million whoof
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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:45 PM

Why? What evidence is there that Jagr is washed up? He just scored 67 points and drove play to a ridiculous extent. There's no reason why he can't play 2 or 3 more seasons if he stays even close to this level. Now he might prefer playing in another league than playing the Teemu Selanne role of the last 2 years where he's on the 3rd line and PP, but he was one of the NHL's best forwards last year.

I don't want a 44 yr old forward at a stupidly high salary. And the wheels with Jagr will come off quickly at some point. He looked really sluggish at times the second half this year. He also produced because this system is tailor made for players with certain liabilities. We got killed in a lot of odd man rushes and will do so again next year. I also doubt Jagr puts up close to his production this past season.

I like Jagr but I'd rather spend 5 or 6 million on something younger and more investment worthy over a build forward term in 2015. This coming season I could care less as unless Lou makes serious improvements this team won't make the playoffs.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:47 PM

If its that much I am thinking Lou is assuming we will be relying on him heavily again next year to score.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:50 PM

Lou certainly enjoys spending money on old players.
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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:50 PM

I don't want a 44 yr old forward at a stupidly high salary. And the wheels with Jagr will come off quickly at some point. He looked really sluggish at times the second half this year. He also produced because this system is tailor made for players with certain liabilities. We got killed in a lot of odd man rushes and will do so again next year. I also doubt Jagr puts up close to his production this past season.

I like Jagr but I'd rather spend 5 or 6 million on something younger and more investment worthy over a build forward term in 2015. Next year I could care less as unless Lou makes serious improvements this team won't make the playoffs.

 

I think Jagr only got better as the season went on. You won't find anyone younger to replace Jagr's production for $5-6 million, especially at a 1-year.  Free agency gets you a Clarkson or a Clowe.

 

You aren't getting a 44-year-old Jagr either. The guy is obviously a freak. What he has done at 41-42 has not been done in this league. No sense in worrying about a drop-off, especially on a 1-year deal. 


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:54 PM

$5 million for Clowe or $5 million for 2013-2014 Jagr?  Hmmm...let me think about that one...lol


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:55 PM

The Devils still have more moves to make


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:56 PM

I don't want a 44 yr old forward at a stupidly high salary.

 

Imagine you could know in advance that Jagr would repeat last season.  How much do you think that is worth in free agency?

 

 

 

And the wheels with Jagr will come off quickly at some point. He looked really sluggish at times the second half this year.

 

Yeah, sluggish to the tune of a nearly 62% Corsi in the final 25 games of the season.  He was retardedly dominant down the stretch.  

 

 

 

He also produced because this system is tailor made for players with certain liabilities. We got killed in a lot of odd man rushes and will do so again next year.

 

This has tons to do with the right wing, I bet.  Improving at wing will certainly fix this issue.  Also newsflash but teams give up odd man rushes.

 

I also doubt Jagr puts up close to his production this past season.

 

I don't think he will put up 67 points again, but 60 seems like a reasonable estimate per 82 games.

 

I like Jagr but I'd rather spend 5 or 6 million on something younger and more investment worthy over a build forward term in 2015. This coming season I could care less as unless Lou makes serious improvements this team won't make the playoffs.

 

Yeah, no, this is insane, but we've been over this.  The Devils finished the season with a positive goal differential, they played a sh!twagon goalie half the year, and they flubbed every shootout they played in.  There's a bit of a correction coming on PP luck and OT luck that should be smoothed over or better by shootout improvement + Schneider for 65 games.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:57 PM

So funny, the guy leads the team in scoring, doesn't miss a game, and people still think he's too old. 

 

He's too old for a 5 year deal, but a one year deal after the season he just had? I'd be in on that all day long. Especially since I don't think it will affect any other moves they may (or may not) make. 


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:59 PM

I wasn't expecting to hear about a deal this quickly, this just made my day! I don't care about Jagr's age, especially on a 1 year deal, the guy was awesome last year and they desperately needed to retain him.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 03:00 PM

I like this, I mean why the heck not.  The man's a physical freak of nature.  Now if Lou can add a Stastny type..I'll be real excited.

 

Oh, but let this be the only 40 year old Lou signs this off season..please.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 03:01 PM

Hey next year is a regular scheduled season. Should be easier for him without compressed sched. and Olympics.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 03:02 PM

I know people will say we should be getting younger, bla bla bla, but the numbers Jagr had this year, and the influence he can have on our younger players makes his presence on our team invaluable.

 

Very glad he's back, he certainly earned it, with his play.

 

Jagr's the exception to that rule.  He proved he's more than able to be a positive on and off the ice and we absolutely needed him back.

 

But yes we need to get younger and faster around him.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 03:03 PM

Imagine you could know in advance that Jagr would repeat last season. How much do you think that is worth in free agency?


Yeah, sluggish to the tune of a nearly 62% Corsi in the final 25 games of the season.


This has tons to do with the right wing, I bet.


I don't think he will put up 67 points again, but 60 seems like a reasonable estimate per 82 games.


Yeah, no, this is insane, but we've been over this. The Devils finished the season with a positive goal differential, they played a sh!twagon goalie half the year, and they flubbed every shootout they played in. There's a bit of a correction coming on PP luck and OT luck that should be smoothed over or better by shootout improvement + Schneider for 65 games.


I will believe the latter when I see it Tri and I hope you are right but when it comes to your projections, there always seems to be a caveat the following seasons in other areas that fall off and we keep seeing this saber stat dance of what needs to be addressed. Lou has to find Zajac and Jagr a legitimate winger for Jagr to hold up and that line to succeed consistently if not dominate.

Lou has to make further moves with the forwards and probably through trades. He absolutely has to. There is no debate on this point not being accurate that I will even entertain.

Puck possession is an important stat but it is not a saving grace for the kind of deficiencies we had last year. It kept us close but showed how weak the roster was in certain areas both skill wise and depth wise.
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Posted 29 April 2014 - 03:04 PM

$5 million for Clowe or $5 million for 2013-2014 Jagr?  Hmmm...let me think about that one...lol

 

First off, Clowe's salary is more or less okay so long as he's healthy.  If he's not, his salary won't count against the cap (notwithstanding the technicalities) and insurance will cover much of the real dollars.

 

Second, Jagr put up more points over the past two years than Paul Statsny, who everyone wants to break the bank for.  You could be paying Jagr $8 million next year.  If it's only for one year, and it doesn't prevent other moves, it doesn't matter.  If the bottom drops out next year, so be it.  Next season is a good year to be awful anyway.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 03:07 PM

As long as it's something on the order of say 4m with the rest in GP bonuses that's not a bad deal.
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Posted 29 April 2014 - 03:12 PM

First off, Clowe's salary is more or less okay so long as he's healthy. If he's not, his salary won't count against the cap (notwithstanding the technicalities) and insurance will cover much of the real dollars.

Second, Jagr put up more points over the past two years than Paul Statsny, who everyone wants to break the bank for. You could be paying Jagr $8 million next year. If it's only for one year, and it doesn't prevent other moves, it doesn't matter. If the bottom drops out next year, so be it. Next season is a good year to be awful anyway.


Clowe and Jagr are two completely different players who are in two different situations respectively. Yes at an age to age and production to production comparison in terms of value, Jagr has more weight due to his production. And for the record again I've hated the Clowe contract as it negated the good fortune of not keeping Clarkson.
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