Jump to content

Photo

Jagr Is Back


  • Please log in to reply
102 replies to this topic

#101 '7'

'7'

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,888 posts

Posted 06 May 2014 - 11:43 AM

I am not sure I agree with this.  Gretzky in his prime got to play with very talented players.  Jagr had Lemieux, but after he retired, that was a pretty dire Pittsburgh team.  People might want to say that Martin Straka is good but he played years and years with Jagr - who knows how good he is without Jagr?  After he left Pittsburgh the first time he had some not good years.

 

On the other hand, there's some evidence that Jari Kurri and Glenn Anderson weren't all that great either.

 

It would've been interesting to see how Jagr in his prime would've done surrounded by other HOFers.  I think Gretzky is better certainly but I think the gap is less than you might imagine.

 

Kurri had a very small window when he did not play with Gretzky, and in that period of time he was still tremendous in the regular season and playoffs (winning a cup). If he'd never seen Wayne in his life Kurri would've still found his way to 1000 points


Edited by '7', 06 May 2014 - 11:44 AM.

  • 0
^7^ is just defending his sport sheeps.. as Alcibiades the exiled Athenian rationalizes in his speech to the enemy Spartans, he wants to take revenge on Athens because he loves it and can't stand to see the state it's in now - Triumph
Posted Image Posted Image

#102 Triumph

Triumph

    A Legend

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 27,486 posts

Posted 06 May 2014 - 12:00 PM

Kurri had a very small window when he did not play with Gretzky, and in that period of time he was still tremendous in the regular season and playoffs (winning a cup). If he'd never seen Wayne in his life Kurri would've still found his way to 1000 points

 

He played with Messier then, and Messier is also a Hall of Famer.  I think Kurri is probably a great player who scores 500+ goals without any HOF-type centers, but it's hard to say, and his decline was somewhat ugly.


  • 0

http://drivingplay.blogspot.com - The blog with three first lines
 


#103 '7'

'7'

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,888 posts

Posted 06 May 2014 - 12:14 PM

He played with Messier then, and Messier is also a Hall of Famer.  I think Kurri is probably a great player who scores 500+ goals without any HOF-type centers, but it's hard to say, and his decline was somewhat ugly.

 

But Kurri is good enough that he would've ended up wiith good or great linemates wherever he went. Say he ended up in Winnipeg...Hawerchuk. Quebec? Stastny's

 

He was very effective up until 34 or so. 34 in 1994 seemed a lot older in NHL years then. Plus he had more playoff miles than most other guys. Bryan Trottier pretty much fell off a cliff after he turned 32...it's probably the accumulated playoff wear and tear


  • 0
^7^ is just defending his sport sheeps.. as Alcibiades the exiled Athenian rationalizes in his speech to the enemy Spartans, he wants to take revenge on Athens because he loves it and can't stand to see the state it's in now - Triumph
Posted Image Posted Image




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users