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Posted 02 May 2014 - 10:16 AM

I'm willing to bet some team takes him on to, at the very least, sell some merchandise/tickets while seeing if he can turn back the clock when he has something to prove.. The only way he isn't playing elsewhere next season is if he decides to hang them up, which he won't because he wants 700 wins badly

 

The one place he can't go next year is here in NJ. That ship needs to sail


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 10:31 AM

I'm willing to bet some team takes him on to, at the very least, sell some merchandise/tickets while seeing if he can turn back the clock when he has something to prove.. The only way he isn't playing elsewhere next season is if he decides to hang them up, which he won't because he wants 700 wins badly

 

The one place he can't go next year is here in NJ. That ship needs to sail

 

Yep. Marty is an "attraction" type of pick up for teams that have trouble putting asses in the seats. Thing is, I dunno if Marty's pride would allow him to go to a team that's in that position as they're likely not going to contend.

 

I don't agree with those saying Montreal. I agree that it makes perfect sense considering his heritage, but Price/Budaj is a good tandem and who knows how far they go this year as it stands now. The only way I can see him going there is if they decide to trade one of those two, but its really unlikely. 

 

Don't count out Minnesota. Bryz is UFA and I could see them going to Marty to tandem with Backstrom. Harding is possibly done b/c of his MS.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 10:38 AM

A few thoughts:

 

- I don't get a team or a GM being desperate enough to bring in Brodeur for tickets/jersey/whatever else makes more money. Most importantly, I don't see that being the case. Marty Brodeur is not going to sell more tickets or sell more jerseys unless he is excellent and makes the team better. A 42-year-old goalie that is struggling on a bad team is not going to help anyone. This isn't Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux making a quick stop on a retirement tour, or even a 41-year-old and still very good Hasek stopping in Ottawa for a contender. 

 

- There is no way Brodeur is going to any other team knowing he will be the backup. Some guys are wired that way. Some guys can transition from being a very good goalie like a Vernon/Joseph to the backup role. Others can not.  That's not a knock on Brodeur. The man's been one of the greatest ever and is used to starting 70-78+ games his entire career. I don't think he ever wants to come back just for locker room camaraderie and to be around the game, and maybe get 15-20 games. He wants to be a difference maker like he has his entire career. This is a guy that was upset about playing only half the games this season. So a lesser role than that on a new team seems very unlikely.

 

- He wants to play for a winner. He really only knows winning in his career. Some guys can get used to losing and the atmosphere that goes with it. I don't think he ever has. So this leaves so few teams, and I am sure all of them will be looking at multiple possibilities before Brodeur if they wanted to upgrade their goaltending. And status quo would probably be a better option.

 

- There are a few people saying Montreal but that just seems like a very sad place I doubt he would entertain. They have one of the best goalies in the NHL. They don't need Brodeur, and he certainly doesn't need them to fulfill some career long dream. That dream would be sitting on the bench most of the season. That idea wouldn't excite any Habs fans either. Price's status is sky high there.

 

- The only situation I see for him (and I fvcking dread it) is him returning here. He knows Cory should be getting 65+ games. Lou probably knows it. But can Lou tell Marty, especially if there are no options out there, that we have a goalie and it is time to move on. I'm not so sure he can. Does Marty even want that? Well if he can get 30 games maybe he can talk himself into that role. But like CR1976 has said and many as well, just having Brodeur on this roster creates a ton of short and long-term problems. None of them are good.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 11:32 AM

A few thoughts:

 

- I don't get a team or a GM being desperate enough to bring in Brodeur for tickets/jersey/whatever else makes more money. Most importantly, I don't see that being the case. Marty Brodeur is not going to sell more tickets or sell more jerseys unless he is excellent and makes the team better. A 42-year-old goalie that is struggling on a bad team is not going to help anyone. This isn't Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux making a quick stop on a retirement tour, or even a 41-year-old and still very good Hasek stopping in Ottawa for a contender. 

 

- There is no way Brodeur is going to any other team knowing he will be the backup. Some guys are wired that way. Some guys can transition from being a very good goalie like a Vernon/Joseph to the backup role. Others can not.  That's not a knock on Brodeur. The man's been one of the greatest ever and is used to starting 70-78+ games his entire career. I don't think he ever wants to come back just for locker room camaraderie and to be around the game, and maybe get 15-20 games. He wants to be a difference maker like he has his entire career. This is a guy that was upset about playing only half the games this season. So a lesser role than that on a new team seems very unlikely.

 

- He wants to play for a winner. He really only knows winning in his career. Some guys can get used to losing and the atmosphere that goes with it. I don't think he ever has. So this leaves so few teams, and I am sure all of them will be looking at multiple possibilities before Brodeur if they wanted to upgrade their goaltending. And status quo would probably be a better option.

 

- There are a few people saying Montreal but that just seems like a very sad place I doubt he would entertain. They have one of the best goalies in the NHL. They don't need Brodeur, and he certainly doesn't need them to fulfill some career long dream. That dream would be sitting on the bench most of the season. That idea wouldn't excite any Habs fans either. Price's status is sky high there.

 

- The only situation I see for him (and I fvcking dread it) is him returning here. He knows Cory should be getting 65+ games. Lou probably knows it. But can Lou tell Marty, especially if there are no options out there, that we have a goalie and it is time to move on. I'm not so sure he can. Does Marty even want that? Well if he can get 30 games maybe he can talk himself into that role. But like CR1976 has said and many as well, just having Brodeur on this roster creates a ton of short and long-term problems. None of them are good.

 

Wanted to break up your points but I'm too lazy lol...

 

- Marty would absolutely sell more jerseys just by going to another team. On HF, before the deadline when Chicago had a scout at all of our games, many Blackhawks fans came out saying they'd basically have to buy a jersey or shirt if he went to their team. I mean, how many Jagr jerseys/shirts did we see at the start of the season? A ton, Devils Den sold out of them during the first preseason game and he hadn't done anything at that point. Brodeur is a legend, and especially if he goes to a big market team, people will buy merch just because it's cool to have a legend play for your team. Hell, what has Schneider done for us? I see a lot of gear with his name on it at games and he may only be here another season. If he went to a Pittsburgh/Montreal/Chicago, I'll guarantee that more Broduer jerseys/shirts sell next year than did this previous season.

 

- I think he definitely would (and will) go somewhere knowing he's a backup if it's the right situation. Would he go to a team with a solid starter knowing he won't get more than 20 games? No. But would he go to a team that offers him solid potential to get 30+ starts? I think so, because of my next point...

 

- At this point in his career, I see it being less about the team and more about Marty getting to 700 wins. He's said he wants that milestone, and I'll bet he goes to a team offering more starts over few starts but on a winner. Marty always talks about how, when he plays more, he can get into a rhythm. He would have a lot of pressure on himself if he goes to winner and only gets a few starts, with no back to back starts.

 

Totally agree though that the issues of having Marty on this team outweigh the positives. It simply can't happen


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:24 PM

Yep. Marty is an "attraction" type of pick up for teams that have trouble putting asses in the seats. Thing is, I dunno if Marty's pride would allow him to go to a team that's in that position as they're likely not going to contend.

 

I don't agree with those saying Montreal. I agree that it makes perfect sense considering his heritage, but Price/Budaj is a good tandem and who knows how far they go this year as it stands now. The only way I can see him going there is if they decide to trade one of those two, but its really unlikely. 

 

Don't count out Minnesota. Bryz is UFA and I could see them going to Marty to tandem with Backstrom. Harding is possibly done b/c of his MS.

 

A Backstrom/Marty tandem might rival Soderstrom/Fichaud as one of the worst in league history. Kuemper looks to be shaping into an NHL goalie, so I don't see Minnesota going for Marty unless they buy out Backtrom, but that would seem counter-productive.

 

I don't know if Marty is really going to have a place to go. Most teams have a starter and backup that are already better than him. It would take a franchise willing to sacrifice wins for jersey sales and sports page coverage. Soooo the Leafs. Or the New York Jets.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:46 PM

A Backstrom/Marty tandem might rival Soderstrom/Fichaud as one of the worst in league history. Kuemper looks to be shaping into an NHL goalie, so I don't see Minnesota going for Marty unless they buy out Backtrom, but that would seem counter-productive.

 

I don't know if Marty is really going to have a place to go. Most teams have a starter and backup that are already better than him. It would take a franchise willing to sacrifice wins for jersey sales and sports page coverage. Soooo the Leafs. Or the New York Jets.

 

The idea that any GM would make a decision on Brodeur based on tickets or jersey sales is laughable. As to Colin's point, even if Brodeur did sell a thousand jerseys or so, what's that worth to a GM or Owner for that matter if he is guaranteed to make your team worse. No one is going to want Brodeur's jersey if he sucks. No one is going to want to go see him if he and by extension the team..sucks. Even Jagr, a legendary player who is still an excellent player, didn't bring more fans into this building or the Stars building last year.

 

I know it isn't generally known to the average fan around the league how bad Brodeur is because people can look at GAA and wins, but he is what he is. Those fans will find out soon enough.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:31 PM

And of course, we'd have to deal with the blind fanboys who'd pull this crap:

 

Schneider plays four games, gives up six goals, stops 93% of the shots, but somehow goes 0-3-1

Marty plays two games, gives up 3 goals in one game, 4 in the next, stops 88% of the shots, but somehow goes 2-0-0

 

"Marty should keep starting!  He knows how to win!" 


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:36 PM

Landing Spots for Brodeur:

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:37 PM

And of course, we'd have to deal with the blind fanboys who'd pull this crap:

 

Schneider plays four games, gives up six goals, stops 93% of the shots, but somehow goes 0-3-1

Marty plays two games, gives up 3 goals in one game, 4 in the next, stops 88% of the shots, but somehow goes 2-0-0

 

"Marty should keep starting!  He knows how to win!" 

 

I've seen that this year and sadly by some good posters on this forum and even by Lou after Brodeur's 4-3 win against the Wings. It's the same BS about a pitcher's numbers being worse because he pitches to the score. 

 

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The phrase "timely save" would seem to imply that there are poorly-timed saves. "What were you thinking stopping that one??!?"

 

 

 


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:40 PM

And of course, we'd have to deal with the blind fanboys who'd pull this crap:

 

Schneider plays four games, gives up six goals, stops 93% of the shots, but somehow goes 0-3-1

Marty plays two games, gives up 3 goals in one game, 4 in the next, stops 88% of the shots, but somehow goes 2-0-0

 

"Marty should keep starting!  He knows how to win!" 

 

Even worse, one of those fanboys is the coach


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:42 PM

Marty is only fit to be a backup for ANY team --- and even then I think he's going to have to sell it.  If he's trying to Tao (go with the flow) his way into a new job he can pretty much forget it. 

 

If he just wants 700 wins -- well dude - everyone lives with regrets and this should be one of yours.  Adios.

 

It gets me irked if I imagine him seeing any value in his being on a team, beyond what he can offer from his high pine horse.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:42 PM

Even worse, one of those fanboys is the coach

 

I alluded to that before...I do generally like PDB, but I don't trust him if both goalies are in the fold next season.  I can't take quotes along the lines of "I don't care about save%" or "It's great having two legit #1 goalies on the roster." 


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:43 PM

Landing Spots for Brodeur:

TSN, RDS, MSG, NBC

:giggle:  I think even then we're talking sports blog in Quebec.


I alluded to that before...I do generally like PDB, but I don't trust him if both goalies are in the fold next season.  I can't take quotes along the lines of "I don't care about save%" or "It's great having two legit #1 goalies on the roster." 

So you all think he's really that vapid?  I just can't imagine that... I mean then he's just nto the coach for any NHL team thinking like that.  Gosh.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:51 PM

:giggle:  I think even then we're talking sports blog in Quebec.


So you all think he's really that vapid?  I just can't imagine that... I mean then he's just nto the coach for any NHL team thinking like that.  Gosh.

 

I think, like Marty's teammates last year, PDB often says things he doesn't mean 100% with regards to Marty, because no one associated with the Devils wants to say anything bad about him, to be that guy who's actually honest about Marty's current level of play.  I'm sure some of those players (especially some of the ones who haven't been here as long) thought at one time or another last season "Geez, can we play the guy who stops pucks among the league's best as opposed to the one who's near league-worst?!" 

 

It's why it's time for him to go...there's no perfect way to handle the situation when Marty's here, guys have to say things they really don't believe, and we have to hear Marty pontificate about a future on the ice no one really wants to see. 

 

So no, don't think PDB is vapid, just think Marty's situation has a way of making everyone else's awkward and confusing.  


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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 03:37 PM

Landing Spots for Brodeur:

TSN, RDS, MSG, NBC

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 03:38 PM

I alluded to that before...I do generally like PDB, but I don't trust him if both goalies are in the fold next season. I can't take quotes along the lines of "I don't care about save%" or "It's great having two legit #1 goalies on the roster."

it's difficult for me to pin Marty's 39 starts directly on deboer, one reason being that we don't know how much influence Lou has in the day to day lineup, but also because id have to imagine theres a delicate balance to be had in the lockeroom with a person of Marty's influence and respect, especially on a veteran team where the better goalie being a complete newcomer.

I understand that the decision will always be pinned on the coach because he posts the lineup, but I'd have to think it's not as easy as looking at the save percentage. And you also can't take his quotes to the media as anything but what they are- quotes to the media that are meant to cause no hurt feelings or controversy in his lockerroom; let's not forget he's following the lead of Lou lamiorellio.
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Posted 02 May 2014 - 04:11 PM

dmann, read my post after that...I'm not putting it all on PDB...I'm saying Marty being here makes things difficult and awkward for everyone.  PDB isn't the only one that has to say things he doesn't really buy into. 


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Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
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Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 05:00 PM

If, after everything we went through this past season, people STILL don't understand the negative ramifications of Marty just BEING on this roster in 2015, than I really have no idea what to tell you.
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Posted 02 May 2014 - 05:14 PM

dmann, read my post after that...I'm not putting it all on PDB...I'm saying Marty being here makes things difficult and awkward for everyone.  PDB isn't the only one that has to say things he doesn't really buy into.

yeah I was at work so started my post but forgot to submit for a few hours, I agree, I think if deboer had the final say here Marty would not get an offer to come back in any capacity- just too delicate a situation.
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Posted 02 May 2014 - 05:28 PM

If, after everything we went through this past season, people STILL don't understand the negative ramifications of Marty just BEING on this roster in 2015, than I really have no idea what to tell you.


Amen to this.

He, unfortunately, was a negative presence in the locker room this past season. He's shown he's not interested in mentoring anyone (at least not yet).

Sidebar: Can you imagine if the Devils had made the playoffs this year? You know Marty would've expected to be the starter, even with Cory playing lights out.

He needs to move on.

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