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#21 slasher72

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 10:12 PM

Lou would let Marty play until he was 45 if he wanted to, and I'm not exaggerating.

 

Between Lou and PDR, I have such low expectations for this team next year.


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 11:05 PM

Slash, I think at this point we know your expectations aren't high... You've made that abundantly clear lol.

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 11:47 PM

The money quote was "you can never have enough great goaltending".  :giggle:

 

And I agree with feisty, but PDB also goes out of his way to say nice things about Marty. So maybe he is clueless re: goaltending.


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 08:34 AM

What did you guys expect?? For DeBoer to say, "Oh yeah, Marty's done and I think he's going to be lucky to find a job ANYWHERE next year."  Gimme a break you guys.  ANY coach would be saying the same things about Brodeur if they were in DeBoer's position right now.  Almost everyone on the board likes to attack DeBoer because of this and it's increasingly annoying.  Why would DeBoer drag the name of a future HOF'er through the mud?  It would be seen as a sign of disrespect.  Look at this issue from a different perspective, if Jaromir Jagr, whose in the same position as Brodeur (age, contract term) put up 30 points on the season instead of 67, PDB would be saying the exact same thing about Jagr. 

It's comes down to how many game Cory will get next season. I don't see the problem with Brodeur getting 15-20 games and Cory getting 62-67.  For some reason it's fvcking blasphemy to have Brodeur ride the pine for 60 games. 
 

 

"Brodeur said today that Schneider will be the Devils No. 1 next season and that if he does come back it would be in a designated backup role.  The question is can Brodeur, after 20 seasons of being a starter, accept being a backup."  - TG 4/13

Brodeur admits that it was rough to share the net and I believe that he understands the side effects of having these one growing ego in Cory Schneider and a very large one in Marty.  Apparently it's fvcking impossible for a ego as large as Martin Brodeur to fade into obscurity. 

Brodeur said today that Schneider will be the Devils’ clear No. 1 next season and that if he does come back it would be in the designated backup role. The question is can Brodeur, after 20 seasons of being a starter, accept being the backup. - See more at: http://blogs.northje...h.Au9G145H.dpuf

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 09:13 AM

 

What did you guys expect?? For DeBoer to say, "Oh yeah, Marty's done and I think he's going to be lucky to find a job ANYWHERE next year."  Gimme a break you guys.  ANY coach would be saying the same things about Brodeur if they were in DeBoer's position right now.  Almost everyone on the board likes to attack DeBoer because of this and it's increasingly annoying.  Why would DeBoer drag the name of a future HOF'er through the mud?  It would be seen as a sign of disrespect.  Look at this issue from a different perspective, if Jaromir Jagr, whose in the same position as Brodeur (age, contract term) put up 30 points on the season instead of 67, PDB would be saying the exact same thing about Jagr. 

It's comes down to how many game Cory will get next season. I don't see the problem with Brodeur getting 15-20 games and Cory getting 62-67.  For some reason it's fvcking blasphemy to have Brodeur ride the pine for 60 games. 
 

Brodeur admits that it was rough to share the net and I believe that he understands the side effects of having these one growing ego in Cory Schneider and a very large one in Marty.  Apparently it's fvcking impossible for a ego as large as Martin Brodeur to fade into obscurity. 

Brodeur said today that Schneider will be the Devils’ clear No. 1 next season and that if he does come back it would be in the designated backup role. The question is can Brodeur, after 20 seasons of being a starter, accept being the backup. - See more at: http://blogs.northje...h.Au9G145H.dpuf

 

 

It's cool that Brodeur gets to name the starter of the team, but how about Pete doing it?  How about Pete saying 'Well, Cory established himself as the starting goalie, but you need that other guy, you can't just get by on one guy in this league, and we'd love to have Brodeur back in that role, who's better than him in that spot?  It's a coach's dream.'  Did Pete ever say that Schneider was the starter last year?  Would he say it this year if Brodeur were brought back?  

 

We didn't hear that.  Instead we heard a coach talking about a conversation and once again bending over backwards to give accolades to a guy.  


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 09:32 AM

It's cool that Brodeur gets to name the starter of the team, but how about Pete doing it?  How about Pete saying 'Well, Cory established himself as the starting goalie, but you need that other guy, you can't just get by on one guy in this league, and we'd love to have Brodeur back in that role, who's better than him in that spot?  It's a coach's dream.'  Did Pete ever say that Schneider was the starter last year?  Would he say it this year if Brodeur were brought back?  

 

We didn't hear that.  Instead we heard a coach talking about a conversation and once again bending over backwards to give accolades to a guy.  

Okay, fair enough, but it wasn't Brodeur making the decision, it was him conceding that he was ready to move on and understands the situation, there's a big difference there.  I don't have any real evidence of DeBoer saying Cory IS the starter, but Deboer has said this,
 

"I think he's ready to be a starter. I think he wants to be a starter. I don't think there's any secret about that. We're excited to have him as a part of our organization here."

 

I don't see the problem with a coach simply respecting the history, which is what Brodeur is as a starter.... nothing more than Devil's history at this point.  I understand the fear of Marty coming back and getting a lot of games next year, but I don't understand the fear of Marty as a backup, that's all.  Yeah, cause for concern, blah blah blah. 
 


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 09:47 AM

Eh fvck it, bring Marty back, give him 40 games.  Let the Devils be in competition for McDavid, why not.

 

So disgusted by everything that's happened this season.


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 09:47 AM

Didn't Marty say he wants to play more next year than he did this year? I don't think he'd be happy with 15-20 starts. I think he's looking for 35-40. 


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 10:46 AM

Didn't Marty say he wants to play more next year than he did this year? I don't think he'd be happy with 15-20 starts. I think he's looking for 35-40. 

 

He did say that. He also said this team is Cory's now, and that the "Devils are in good hands with Schneids". So if he comes back, I think it's because no one else wants him and Lou can't bear to see him in that position. I hope Lou keeps looking at the big picture. Signing Marty just gives us another year of what we just had.


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 11:00 AM

It's cool that Brodeur gets to name the starter of the team, but how about Pete doing it?  How about Pete saying 'Well, Cory established himself as the starting goalie, but you need that other guy, you can't just get by on one guy in this league, and we'd love to have Brodeur back in that role, who's better than him in that spot?  It's a coach's dream.'  Did Pete ever say that Schneider was the starter last year?  Would he say it this year if Brodeur were brought back?  

 

We didn't hear that.  Instead we heard a coach talking about a conversation and once again bending over backwards to give accolades to a guy.  

 

He didn't bend over backwards for anything.  I haven't listened to the interview, but it seems to me that he was asked about Marty (who is always a story line, especially when it comes to Canadian media covering the Devils) and he said nice things about him.  I can forgive him for not going into a five minute discussion about the differences in save percentages and saying that Marty is the reason the team didn't make the playoffs.  If anything, you can interpret his comments as a way of justifying his decision to give Marty more starts than he deserved, after, upon reflection, realizing it was a huge blunder. 

 

That said, I really do not want Marty back next year.  There are other goalies to play backup that are better than him (probably much better than him) at this point, and there will always be pressure to give Marty more starts than an average backup goalie should be getting in the first place.  It's an unneeded distraction.  Plus, it would actually be better for Marty.  Maybe he gets a decent number of starts with another team, and has a chance to prove everyone wrong.  I'd actually feel great for him if he managed to do that. 


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 11:00 AM

Brodeur is ready to move on, the trouble is there is probably nowhere to move on to.  He is 42.  His team has missed the playoffs in 3 of the last 4 years.  It's not hard to look at those teams and say hmmm what's the common denominator?  Bad offense, yes, but also bad goaltending.  If DeBoer isn't willing to name Schneider the starter, well then we go through a year where one bad start from Schneider gives him the hook and Brodeur plays 30+ games again.  Look, there's a very good chance that Brodeur is an .880-.890 goalie next year.  He's old.  He cannot recover on saves - if he commits, that's it, he's done for.  

 

Now again, DeBoer may be playing the Good Cop to Lou's Bad Cop in this scenario, but the organization has bungled this pretty much every way possible.


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 02:15 PM

IMO, there is little to no chance that Cory doesn't play 60+ games next year (barring injury).


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 02:17 PM

There is little to no chance that Cory doesn't play 60+ games next year (barring injury).

 

I'm not sure about that - he didn't prove this year he was capable of being a starter.  Until a guy's a starter, you just don't know how he will do.


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 02:43 PM

DeBoer's just regurgitating a talking point he needs to say until Lou either signs him or not.


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 06:08 PM

Marty is coming back because his ego can't handle anything else and Lou has too much loyalty to let him go. Lou is also stuck in a 1995-2003 time warp and feels the need to keep signing the same types of utility players, chief among them...ex-Devils. Kovalchuk was an abberation. We won't see such a move happen again anytime soon. That move was so out of Lou's element.

Face it fellas...until Lou calls it quits we will continue to sing the same song and dance every season. Uninspired moves, retaining past their prime vets, and drafting players who don't make any imoact.

Just accept what is.... it will all be good in the end... accept mediocrity and drink the kool-aid. Lol

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 06:43 PM

Marty is coming back because his ego can't handle anything else and Lou has too much loyalty to let him go. Lou is also stuck in a 1995-2003 time warp and feels the need to keep signing the same types of utility players, chief among them...ex-Devils. Kovalchuk was an abberation. We won't see such a move happen again anytime soon. That move was so out of Lou's element.

Face it fellas...until Lou calls it quits we will continue to sing the same song and dance every season. Uninspired moves, retaining past their prime vets, and drafting players who don't make any imoact.

Just accept what is.... it will all be good in the end... accept mediocrity and drink the kool-aid. Lol

 

Good, because the Kovalchuk deal was by far the worst thing Lou had ever done, contract-wise, and he has gotten bailed out spectacularly by Kovalchuk leaving.  

 

Lou told Shanahan he couldn't play, even after he signed him.  He bought out White.  He told Brylin to go screw.  He bought out Pandolfo.  He's made plenty of good moves over the last 5 years - just that this goaltending thing is going to be his bugaboo until Brodeur retires or leaves.  


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 09:09 PM

Good, because the Kovalchuk deal was by far the worst thing Lou had ever done, contract-wise, and he has gotten bailed out spectacularly by Kovalchuk leaving.

Lou told Shanahan he couldn't play, even after he signed him. He bought out White. He told Brylin to go screw. He bought out Pandolfo. He's made plenty of good moves over the last 5 years - just that this goaltending thing is going to be his bugaboo until Brodeur retires or leaves.


I was speaking in terms of Kovy's offensive skill, not his bad contract. He bought out White after White was way past his prime and moved around like he had cement in his skates, same for Brylin and Pando. So...those weren't great moves by Lou. They were just necessary ones that nedeed to be made.

I'm still reeling from his terrible contracts to Rolston, Mogilny, Malakhov, and McGillis.
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Posted 30 May 2014 - 09:50 PM

After that spectacle that was put on for that Boston game, I'd be almost insulted if he came back.
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Posted 31 May 2014 - 06:22 AM

we have, what? 18 back to backs? promise marty 16 of those,  its his best NHL offer by far.  take it or leave it marty


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Posted 31 May 2014 - 09:26 AM

we have, what? 18 back to backs? promise marty 16 of those,  its his best NHL offer by far.  take it or leave it marty

 

Why even make the offer though?  The Devils will most likely be in the same spot they were this year, where there is no room for pissing away points...and they'll essentially be doing just that by dressing one of the worst statistical goalies in the NHL.  Even if it was for 16 games, it just doesn't make any sense.  It's time to move on as a franchise.    


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