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#41 caron14

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:26 AM

At the least, I enjoy the speculation that goes into these things. First it the Kovalchuk the villain, but imagine if he got us out of that contract, signed here for 5 years or so, and was a productive player. Kovalchuk the hero. I understand just how far fetched this is, but part of me does hope it's true. I don't hate Kovalchuk the same way I hate Parise.

Or maybe I'm just thinking like a 16 year old girl, hoping that senior in high school comes back and really does love her like he said but in reality it was nothing more than a hit it and quit it


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:29 AM

TG says the 30-team approval rule is still in effect. So whatever.

 

I take Kovalchuk because despite whatever faults he has, he can still be a productive player for us. The question is for how much. I wouldn't go more than 5/6 M for a short term and he can get double that in the KHL. So what's the incentive for him to leave the K?


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#43 William D'Aquila

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:31 AM

I always believed there was a conspiracy afoot. The next few weeks should be interesting.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:32 AM

Forgetting the hypotheticals...just addressing the legitimacy of the rumour:

 

This guy says he has a credible source in NJ. Has he ever reported any accurate Devils rumours let alone inaccurate Devils rumours. Any leaks about deals or contracts have always come from a players agent. If Lou was even in discussions with Kovalchuk and Grossman, the only one from NJ who probably knows about the talks is Lou himself.

 

So I am going with 100% bullsheeeeeet.

 

It can be interpreted both ways.  Someone who's not in the business of reporting rumors, might have something or at least believes there's something, (compare with hockeyyinsiderr who blatantly makes everything up and in a verifiable way).

 

I follow him on twitter and used to listen to his radio show.  I don't recall him ever reporting trade rumors, although he would talk about sports world gossip, one example I can think of is that Reggie Jackson is gay.  But in the Reggie Jackson claim, he at least named the source that told him that.  But otherwise, he definitely is inclined to conspiratorial thinking, once spending about 10 to 15 minutes of his radio show talking about the old claim that Paul McCartney died around the time of Sergeant Peppers and that the Beatles went on with an impersonator.  

 

My inclination right now is that this is all click bait and an attempt to get people to sign up for the $75 per year subscription fee for his new radio show.  If he gets twenty people to sign up for his show, that's  $1500 of virtually total profit for 20 seconds of work.   


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:32 AM

If the 30-team rule is still in effect and I had a choice between keeping the 30th pick or go with Kovy, I'd keep the pick.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:35 AM

TG says the 30-team approval rule is still in effect. So whatever.

 

I take Kovalchuk because despite whatever faults he has, he can still be a productive player for us. The question is for how much. I wouldn't go more than 5/6 M for a short term and he can get double that in the KHL. So what's the incentive for him to leave the K?

 

Other reports are that the 30 team approval rule goes away in July.  At the time, I also recall a claim that he had to sit out a year from playing hockey at all before he could come back within five years, and that the Devils would control his rights.  No clear answers it appears.

 

If he came back, it would be on terms for someone at his age who you could expect to get 60 points per year.  And probably even less considering that the Devils would have all the bargaining power.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:35 AM

family is the reason he wanted to leave and family is the same reason he wants to leave lol


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:36 AM

It can be interpreted both ways.  Someone who's not in the business of reporting rumors, might have something or at least believes there's something, (compare with hockeyyinsiderr who blatantly makes everything up and in a verifiable way).

 

I follow him on twitter and used to listen to his radio show.  I don't recall him ever reporting trade rumors, although he would talk about sports world gossip, one example I can think of is that Reggie Jackson is gay.  But in the Reggie Jackson claim, he at least named the source that told him that.  But otherwise, he definitely is inclined to conspiratorial thinking, once spending about 10 to 15 minutes of his radio show talking about the old claim that Paul McCartney died around the time of Sergeant Peppers and that the Beatles went on with an impersonator.  

 

My inclination right now is that this is all click bait and an attempt to get people to sign up for the $75 per year subscription fee for his new radio show.  If he gets twenty people to sign up for his show, that's  $1500 of virtually total profit for 20 seconds of work.   

 

'Is Reggie Jackson gay' This is actually radio discussion? This is something people care to discuss. This is something he feels needs to be brought to the public light? What a fvcking moron.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:40 AM

'Is Reggie Jackson gay' This is actually radio discussion? This is something people care to discuss. This is something he feels needs to be brought to the public light? What a fvcking moron.

 

Just to clarify, it was around the time that there were reports in the press about several NFL players being gay, or something like that, so he didn't just bring it up out of nowhere, and it really wasn't gratuitous.  Whatever the case though, gay pro athletes are definitely something that people are interested in, as evidenced by Michael Sam and Jason Collins.  There's also as much gossip with respect to pro sports as there is with Holywood, as TMZ started a whole website just to sports world gossip. 


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:56 AM

I wonder if Bettman could overrule owners saying no to Kovy coming back "for the betterment of the league" or some crap like that. This could be a HUGE nail in the coffin of the NHL-KHL dilemma. Hell, is take him for the shoot out alone.
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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:58 AM

it's a two way street though. If they block the devils, sometime in the future the devils may block them from acquiring, or reacquiring a player overseas that they like.

I don't think this would be a consideration, it's not like this happens often enough that teams would worry about someone else blocking them when they're in this situation.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:59 AM

NOOOOOO! You're disillusioned if you want Kovy back.  Kovalchuk is a quitter.  Kovy is way more at fault than Zach Parise.  As an NHL GM, you can't lock a player like that down for so many years and then they walk out on you.  Kovalchuk coming back is the equivalent of old girlfriend who cheated on you, trying to get back together with you after she already went and banged all your friends.  She could be an 11 in hotness.  NO THANKS.  It's not about pride, it's not even about the Devils fandom at this point.  It's about principle. 

He's not exactly tearing up the KHL, he was invisible during the Olympics, and on top of his back problems that he had while he was here, he's coming off of a season with a knee injury.  If he wanted to be here, he would have never left. Bottom line.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 10:02 AM

NOOOOOO! You're disillusioned if you want Kovy back.  Kovalchuk is a quitter.  Kovy is way more at fault.  As an NHL GM, you can't lock a player like that down for so many years and then they walk out on you.  Kovalchuk coming back is the equivalent of old girlfriend who cheated on you, trying to get back together with you after she already went and banged all your friends.  NO THANKS.  It's not about pride, it's not even about the Devils fandom at this point.  It's about principle. 

This is the least valid reason to not want Kovalchuk back.  As a GM, you want to make your team better for the upcoming season.  It doesn't really matter what happened in the past, and if we can get him back at a more manageable contract than before, then the Devils come out bigtime winners at the end of the day.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 10:08 AM

I wonder if Bettman could overrule owners saying no to Kovy coming back "for the betterment of the league" or some crap like that. This could be a HUGE nail in the coffin of the NHL-KHL dilemma. Hell, is take him for the shoot out alone.

The KHL isn't really a threat aside from a few Russians and lower-level European guys.  Bettman saying something like that would destroy credibility and do more harm than good.

 

Just to play out this hypothetical, I wouldn't take Kovy back on more than a 3 year deal.  He really seems like he's slowed down and the back isn't going to get any better


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 10:15 AM

No, we'd be idiots to welcome him back because he's not the Kovy of old.  When he's not scoring nearly 40 goals per season, the warts in his game (which he did work on while he was here, with some success) will become that much more apparent.

 

Tri has posted in great detail why he's really not that good...even in 2011-12, when we'd all agree that he was good, he needed a hell of a lot of minutes to get his numbers.  I think if he came back, there would be a lot of disappointment...and as we've seen in the past, Kovy is not exactly thick-skinned.  I could see him struggling for 40-50 games (think 12 goals and a lot of defensive gaffes), then saying "the hell with this!"

You guys with your super micro stats should look at the big picture


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 10:16 AM

This is the least valid reason to not want Kovalchuk back.  As a GM, you want to make your team better for the upcoming season.  It doesn't really matter what happened in the past, and if we can get him back at a more manageable contract than before, then the Devils come out bigtime winners at the end of the day.

You're wrong and living in the past if you think Kovalchuk is going to come back and make this team a contender.  Yeah, he'll definitely help put some more goals in the net, I agree, but the past does matter because Kovalchuk's credibility is totally shot, what team is going to vote yes to Kovalchuk returning to the NHL when he has already 'retired' and then peaced out at the first sign of A) He team starting to falter or B) The threat of another lockout.  The past definitely matters. 


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 10:17 AM

IF he comes back great because even at 75 percent he's still better then:

Clowe, Carter, Gionta, Ruutu, Bernier, Tedenby, Josefson, Sestito, Sislo, Whitney and Zubrus at scoring points

And I'm being conservative with that list (or delusional that Brunner and Ryder will play to their offensive best this coming season.)

 

If not well I'm not getting my hopes up because I don't see how it happens


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 10:21 AM

You guys with your super micro stats should look at the big picture

Minutes played, Goals, Assists, and Points are not micro-stats.  You're disillusioned by the prospect of getting back another superstar player. 


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 10:26 AM

You put Gelinas for half his time at the point during powerplays his minutes will become alot more reasonable.


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 10:27 AM

Minutes played, Goals, Assists, and Points are not micro-stats.  You're disillusioned by the prospect of getting back another superstar player. 

you cant paint it anyway you want

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