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#161 hit the post

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 04:38 PM

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:04 PM

Its obvious that the KHL didn't pan out for Kovy and that the excitement level of the league itself is fairly marginal compared to the NHL.  I'm of the opinion that Kovy went to the KHL for several reasons

 

1) out of protest for the CBA and lockout that caused the players to lose money and games last year

 

2) an exorbitant amount of money (probably cash) being thrown at him from the KHL, not to mention, the popularity level increase he would experience by going to the KHL, and so, out of protest, he had a viable alternative to NHL hockey

 

3) Sochi - this was up in the air after the lockout and hence he didn't want to risk missing this competition in his home country

 

Ultimately, this year worth of "trial" didn't pan out for him in Russia, and now that the dust settled, he is seeing if he can make a viable return that would be mutually beneficial for him and the NHL.

 

Trust me, the NHL will WIN the PR war with the KHL should Kovy return, and hence, it may be in the best interest of the NHL to let him back.

 

Of course, a "special exception" would have to be made in order to avoid cases like this in the future.  But let's face it, Kovalchuk is no Alexsey Morozov, so it's pretty obvious that for a special player a special exception could be made. 

 

Just my two cents.


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:09 PM

Right, but if he really hated it, he could sit out for a year, do his Rocky IV training regimen, and come back without needing owner approval. It's also possible that he could come back under the deal he has, although the Devils probably don't want to do that.


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Realistically He would only have to sit out until march correct? since his last playoff game was around march. He just had knee surgery, Depending on how the knee feels he could simply just continue and rehab the knee until march and come back?


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:26 PM

I thought about that, but I don't think my reading necessarily negates the first clause. For instance, a player retires with only a year left on his deal, and remains retired for a couple of years after his contract would have otherwise expired before he decides to make a go at a comeback, sort of like Rafalski.  Or, even better, it might be someone that would otherwise have an existing contract, but wants to come back on a new deal.  That's where the first clause comes in.  The second clause applies when a player and the team wants the player to come back on the terms of his existing contract.  So, if you wanted to give more credit to Costa than he deserves, it's possible that's at least what the Devils are "discussing". 

 

Note that if this were being interpreted by a court I would definitely say your view wins out.  But ultimately, it's up to the Commissioner who doesn't have to worry about appeals courts, and the like.  I mean, I didn't imagine that the Devils could be penalized for cap circumvention notwithstanding the ruling of the arbitrator, as that was clearly meant to punish under the table dealings, but Bettman thought otherwise.

 

EDIT:  Your view would also make the phrase in the second clause "at any time after the expiry of one year" superfluous, as it could have just said something to the effect of: "in the event that a player is eliglble for reinstatement in accordance with the first clause..." here's how it's handled.

 

But yeah, the ambiguity comes from the fact that the By-Laws were probably written before you started seeing the front loaded long term deals, so no one thought it would be an issue.  That's why it's also possible that the By-Laws have been amended. 

 

I mean, the by laws were possibly written when the idea of any NHLer jumping to Europe was patently absurd.

 

This second clauses states the means by which a player may be removed from the Voluntarily Retired list, with a reminder that it takes one year.


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 06:50 PM

Watch there be some completely buried, unknown to everyone without a monacle and a flashlight, batsh!t crazy type of clause in the CBA that only Lou would find that allows NHL players whose last names start with the letters A-K who flee to Russia to re-enter the NHL Draft after one year away from the league, regardless of age... Then Lou drafts Kovalchuk with the 30th pick and trolls the whole world lmao. :P

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 07:07 PM

don't care if he's coming back but i was at sports authority today and found kovie jersey for 60 bucks, stitch on name plate on back, so i bought it thinking i'll just take the plate off and put on hopefully boucher or someone 17 after ryder. at check out, with a discount, i got it for 40 bucks. what a steal.


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 07:11 PM

Why would a rival team do any favors for someone in their division?

This isn't doing anyone any favors. If anyone had any legitimate objections, that's one thing, but if someone in that position vetoed the move because they didn't want a rival team to receive a good player, that's petty and childish. The league runs on some sort of professionalism and courtesy. I don't think anyone in front offices are out to make enemies.
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Posted 10 June 2014 - 07:23 PM

don't care if he's coming back but i was at sports authority today and found kovie jersey for 60 bucks, stitch on name plate on back, so i bought it thinking i'll just take the plate off and put on hopefully boucher or someone 17 after ryder. at check out, with a discount, i got it for 40 bucks. what a steal.

A friend of mine was talking to someone who worked somewhere in the Devils organization and told him his kid has a Kovi jersey, and he is so bummed out now since Kovi isnt on the team, and this guy told him flat out.."don't get rid of it...keep it"

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 07:32 PM

I think Kovy doesn't like the KHL and wants to come back. Sure bet. I would do a 3 year/4 million per year deal for him.


That deal is not even close.
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Posted 10 June 2014 - 07:36 PM

That deal is not even close.

yeah no way, Clowe makes more than that

he would get Zajac / Elias money at least


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 07:41 PM

A friend of mine was talking to someone who worked somewhere in the Devils organization and told him his kid has a Kovi jersey, and he is so bummed out now since Kovi isnt on the team, and this guy told him flat out.."don't get rid of it...keep it"

for whatever its worth

Is this acquaintance of a friend the security guard at CAA?


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 07:46 PM

Is this acquaintance of a friend the security guard at CAA?

no, listen, I know it sounds like BS, but I went to the Met / Yankee game at Citi Field a few weeks ago and when we got back we started talking hockey, we were both loaded as it was a bus trip from Rockland County to the game and then back, but he told me this story about him talking to a guy (maybe from group sales) in person, not on the phone, and he told him not to change or get rid of the jersey, keep it.


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 07:48 PM

This isn't doing anyone any favors. If anyone had any legitimate objections, that's one thing, but if someone in that position vetoed the move because they didn't want a rival team to receive a good player, that's petty and childish. The league runs on some sort of professionalism and courtesy. I don't think anyone in front offices are out to make enemies.


So if Malkin "retired" and wanted back in a year later, you expect all of the metropolitan teams to just be fine with it? Especially when it got a bad contract off the books for a more manageable one, and all the penalties they got for signing him got reduced just months ago?

There's courtesy and there's stopping possible cap circumvention.
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Posted 10 June 2014 - 08:08 PM

I would not be thrilled with this, as it would make the Devils out to be a very shady organization, colluding and happy to do under the table deals. that's not the Devils that refused to tank to get Mario Lemieux, that's a com0plete 180 degree turn. that said, 4 years/20MIL and it's Welcome Back Kovy! lol


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 09:05 PM

no, listen, I know it sounds like BS, but I went to the Met / Yankee game at Citi Field a few weeks ago and when we got back we started talking hockey, we were both loaded as it was a bus trip from Rockland County to the game and then back, but he told me this story about him talking to a guy (maybe from group sales) in person, not on the phone, and he told him not to change or get rid of the jersey, keep it.

 

What sounds like BS is that they would tell someone in sales 'by the way, Kovalchuk is coming back to the team, but only let possible season ticket holders know.'  


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 09:21 PM

What sounds like BS is that they would tell someone in sales 'by the way, Kovalchuk is coming back to the team, but only let possible season ticket holders know.'  

you're not the sharpest tool in the shed ..are you?


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 09:47 PM

you're not the sharpest tool in the shed ..are you?

 

I'm not the one passing off a third-hand story.  Kovalchuk could come back to the organization someday, he's said so, he claims he wants to go back to the NHL someday - I don't think next year is that day.  I guess you're implying that this person learned from someone else in the organization who is in the know regarding contracts and stuff, but I don't see an organization that committed to secrecy letting something like this out.


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 10:20 PM

I'm not the one passing off a third-hand story. Kovalchuk could come back to the organization someday, he's said so, he claims he wants to go back to the NHL someday - I don't think next year is that day. I guess you're implying that this person learned from someone else in the organization who is in the know regarding contracts and stuff, but I don't see an organization that committed to secrecy letting something like this out.


I think what he's getting at is that you missed the sarcasm.


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 10:29 PM

I think what he's getting at is that you missed the sarcasm.


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Went over my head, because I still don't see it.  It sounds like the kind of plausible dumb stuff that people on message boards say.


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 11:44 PM

We just found out Lou's scouts don't even meet to debate players and picks. I don't think anyone knows anything about Kovy, let alone Bob in sales.

 

As for talk earlier about the players not excepting Kovalchuk? That isn't up to them decide. Hypothetically, if somehow the Devils could get Kovy back next season and Lou wanted it, well it doesn't matter at all what the players think because Lou probably doesn't give a sh!t.

 

No one really took shots at Kovy except Elias, but that was more him not being a fan of the type of player Kovy was and not much about him leaving...if I remember correctly.


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