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#241 Neb00rs

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:31 AM

The #17 saga was ONLY a fiasco on this board. Nowhere else in the media was he mentioned, outside of a few online articles. #17 didn't appear in public one time throughout the whole fiasco. LeBron on the other hand was all over TV, the world covered the damn story. Every little thing was LeBron this and LeBron that. ESPN acted as if they were reporting on a nuclear threat at the height of the Cold War. And then LeBron goes on TV with the 'Decision' and he shows what a complete egotist he was with "I'm taking my talents..." There was no humility in it at all. People were pissed off, and had the right to be. LeBron grew up a lot over the past few years and has actually become palatable. 

 

Nonetheless, no one should be likening the #17 thing to the LeBron 'Decision'. In one, the most ardent Devils fans kept the story going among themselves. In the other, the entire media devoted their lives to covering what seemed like 'a god coming down from heaven'. Even worse NBA fans themselves couldn't shut up about it and talked about it like it was the biggest decision the world ever faced. It was all nauseating and there shouldn't be anyone who looks back on it fondly. It was fitting that both sagas happened in the same summer, because it contrasted the honor and humility of the NHL with the pomp and vanity of the NBA.

 

Glad the Boys and Girls Club got some money though, that's great.


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 09:05 AM

The #17 saga was ONLY a fiasco on this board. Nowhere else in the media was he mentioned, outside of a few online articles. #17 didn't appear in public one time throughout the whole fiasco. LeBron on the other hand was all over TV, the world covered the damn story. Every little thing was LeBron this and LeBron that. ESPN acted as if they were reporting on a nuclear threat at the height of the Cold War. And then LeBron goes on TV with the 'Decision' and he shows what a complete egotist he was with "I'm taking my talents..." There was no humility in it at all. People were pissed off, and had the right to be. LeBron grew up a lot over the past few years and has actually become palatable. 

 

Nonetheless, no one should be likening the #17 thing to the LeBron 'Decision'. In one, the most ardent Devils fans kept the story going among themselves. In the other, the entire media devoted their lives to covering what seemed like 'a god coming down from heaven'. Even worse NBA fans themselves couldn't shut up about it and talked about it like it was the biggest decision the world ever faced. It was all nauseating and there shouldn't be anyone who looks back on it fondly. It was fitting that both sagas happened in the same summer, because it contrasted the honor and humility of the NHL with the pomp and vanity of the NBA.

 

Glad the Boys and Girls Club got some money though, that's great.

 

Agreed with mostly everything you said until that. That is simply not true. There just aren't players that big in the NHL that demand that attention in the US. The sport isn't that big to demand that attention. LeBron goes somewhere, and they become the favourite to win a championship. It also directly changes the NBA landscape with multiple moves following right after. But as I said earlier, every big hockey date is a circus in Canada. Kovalchuk didn't reach those levels because he wasn't going to change a team that much and only 2-3 teams were going after him.

 

The honor and humility of the NHL is lot of crap. None of those things are especially true. The Decision was a mistake for LeBron. If that's the only bad thing anyone can say badly about him and find that he did wrong, well he's doing it right. He's an incredible ambassador for the game.


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 12:24 PM

a break from what ?  and why must I give you anything ?


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 01:13 PM

Well that innocent joke lite a fire


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 01:22 PM

Haha, this board had Kovalchuk mania for 15 days and has the nerve to mock ESPN for Lebron mania.

Apples to oranges.
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Posted 12 July 2014 - 01:35 PM

Apples to oranges.

 

Maybe, maybe not. Most people on this board were looking and waiting for/on every report out there...every detail. Did Kovy meet with the Isles? Him and his wife are flying to LA? Rumour has it his wife prefers LA? Is his agent using a potential massive deal in Russia as leverage. On and on...

 

Now a much more popular sport has an athlete 100x as big as Kovalchuk that not only affects the Heat or the Cavs, but the Knicks, Rockets, Lakers, Mavs, Wolves, Grizzlies, Bulls, Thunder, directly and the rest of the NBA indirectly.  So while some are annoyed but the coverage of every small detail and update, Tri is pointing out that many here were looking for every small detail when it came to finding out what Kovy would do and were just as guilty of it.

 

When you can multiply our message board interest by 500,000 easily, well the coverage was fair. It's the summer anyway. Rather them talk about this than what Manziel is doing or other sh!t.


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 02:39 PM

The NBA is a joke.  I don't find basketball that interesting.  I feel that hockey, soccer, and even football are more team-oriented sports compared to basketball or baseball.  

 

You don't have to like it. At least their superstars test the market. Hockey has become too predictable. Almost every elite player signs extensions and never reaches UFA status. I kind of wish the cap allowed for star players to restructure deals that can help their teams out. Whether it be to clear room to re-sign key RFA's or clear space, it would make the offseason more interesting. Instead, we sit and watch GMs lose their minds overpaying B and C level talent.

 

The team concept I agree with. I view hockey and soccer as very similar. It takes a lot of sacrifice to be successful. Don't forget that in basketball, there's a lot less players. Most rotations are 8 deep. There are exceptions like San Antonio that emphasize the team concept. They didn't win by accident. Popovich is probably the best coach in sports. He runs it old school and isn't afraid to play everyone. Even though it's built around Duncan, Parker and Ginobili, you get to see a kid like Leonard have his moment and win Finals MVP. And underrated vets such as Diaw and unknown Mills play key roles.


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 02:50 PM

The #17 saga was ONLY a fiasco on this board. Nowhere else in the media was he mentioned, outside of a few online articles. #17 didn't appear in public one time throughout the whole fiasco. LeBron on the other hand was all over TV, the world covered the damn story. Every little thing was LeBron this and LeBron that. ESPN acted as if they were reporting on a nuclear threat at the height of the Cold War. And then LeBron goes on TV with the 'Decision' and he shows what a complete egotist he was with "I'm taking my talents..." There was no humility in it at all. People were pissed off, and had the right to be. LeBron grew up a lot over the past few years and has actually become palatable. 

 

Nonetheless, no one should be likening the #17 thing to the LeBron 'Decision'. In one, the most ardent Devils fans kept the story going among themselves. In the other, the entire media devoted their lives to covering what seemed like 'a god coming down from heaven'. Even worse NBA fans themselves couldn't shut up about it and talked about it like it was the biggest decision the world ever faced. It was all nauseating and there shouldn't be anyone who looks back on it fondly. It was fitting that both sagas happened in the same summer, because it contrasted the honor and humility of the NHL with the pomp and vanity of the NBA.

 

Glad the Boys and Girls Club got some money though, that's great.

 

Not entirely true. While the Kovalchuk saga didn't get the same press, it was a very hot topic on Twitter. There was plenty of discussion and jokes as to when he'd finally decide. Then you had the whole drama with the NHL forcing the Devils and Kovalchuk to rework the contract. It was pretty hectic. I don't think you can compare Kovalchuk to LeBron. For starters, basketball is more popular and LeBron is front and center. He's also home grown and is the best player in his sport. So, it made The Decision and #LeBronWatch2014 very interesting. Everyone wanted to know where he was going. Kovalchuk was the biggest name probably to hit the market in the past 5 years. He wasn't the best player but certainly a marquee talent. It would've helped if he was from here. Imagine if a Patrick Kane was available next summer. There would be more coverage. Plus speculation on if he'd become an $11-12 million player. Something Stamkos could approach in a couple of years.


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 03:25 PM

There is not a player in hockey whose free agency would be covered the way Lebron's was. Nobody in hockey is that well known and exposed by the media, advertising, etc.

People who aren't basketball fans know exactly who Lebron is. People who don't follow hockey have no clue who Patrick Kane is.

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 04:14 PM

Agreed with mostly everything you said until that. That is simply not true. There just aren't players that big in the NHL that demand that attention in the US. The sport isn't that big to demand that attention. LeBron goes somewhere, and they become the favourite to win a championship. It also directly changes the NBA landscape with multiple moves following right after. But as I said earlier, every big hockey date is a circus in Canada. Kovalchuk didn't reach those levels because he wasn't going to change a team that much and only 2-3 teams were going after him.

 

The honor and humility of the NHL is lot of crap. None of those things are especially true. The Decision was a mistake for LeBron. If that's the only bad thing anyone can say badly about him and find that he did wrong, well he's doing it right. He's an incredible ambassador for the game.

 

I mean, yeah there is some bias and willful naivety to your bolded part, not gonna lie. Obviously if the situation presented itself the NHL would be somewhat more of a 'rock star' sport. Nonetheless, I do think there is something to where a lot of these guys come from (bumblefvck Slovakia or Siberia) that brings with them a more low key, tough, humble attitude. 

 

Like I said, LeBron has really won me over with his maturation the last four years. He seems like the adult in the room now.


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 06:52 PM

You don't have to like it. At least their superstars test the market. Hockey has become too predictable. Almost every elite player signs extensions and never reaches UFA status. I kind of wish the cap allowed for star players to restructure deals that can help their teams out. Whether it be to clear room to re-sign key RFA's or clear space, it would make the offseason more interesting. Instead, we sit and watch GMs lose their minds overpaying B and C level talent.

The bolded.  I don't mind that at all because it means that you have to draft well and you have to be a winner in order to keep your homegrown players.  It's that kind of thing that keeps teams like the Rangers and Chicago from becoming the Miami Heat.  The reason deals can't be restructured is because GMs are suppose to be smart and not make long term deals that require the restructuring in the first place.  The league hated the long-term deals going around the league, and the Suter and Parise contracts were the last of them, thank god.  I agree with the rest of your post though.  The whole team-first thing.


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:53 PM

There is not a player in hockey whose free agency would be covered the way Lebron's was. Nobody in hockey is that well known and exposed by the media, advertising, etc.

People who aren't basketball fans know exactly who Lebron is. People who don't follow hockey have no clue who Patrick Kane is.

 

I bolded the second statement because it's 100 percent true. Hockey is not marketed the way basketball or the other major sports are. The more exposure, the better. In addition, basketball's stars have their own shoes. When you have a big corporation like Nike promoting worldwide, it's popularity is through the roof.


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 09:18 PM

The bolded.  I don't mind that at all because it means that you have to draft well and you have to be a winner in order to keep your homegrown players.  It's that kind of thing that keeps teams like the Rangers and Chicago from becoming the Miami Heat.  The reason deals can't be restructured is because GMs are suppose to be smart and not make long term deals that require the restructuring in the first place.  The league hated the long-term deals going around the league, and the Suter and Parise contracts were the last of them, thank god.  I agree with the rest of your post though.  The whole team-first thing.

 

The drafting part I have always agreed with. Development is much trickier than the other sports. Only special talents make it right away. Other stars take time and patience. That's why you can't just rely on drafting. If you look closely at Chicago, they draft better than anyone. Look at the supporting cast (Saad, Shaw, Bickell, Hjalmarsson, Kruger). It must be nice to have consecutive lottery picks (Toews and Kane) become stars. The Rangers have never benefited from that. They lucked out with Lundqvist (2000 Round 7). Most first round picks have been busts. Post-lockout, Staal fell to them at 12. I saw that the defenseman Ottawa picked (Brian Lee) retired. A Sens fan tweeted that they could've had Kopitar. Only recently have their first round picks (Kreider, Miller, Skjei) improved. They've done a better job in later rounds. Callahan was a fourth round and Dubinsky and Anisimov second round. Stepan second round. Hagelin sixth.

 

Adding to the Hawks, wait till Teravainen makes it. They also stole Hartman. The Kings drafted well too. Look at some of the kids who contributed. Pearson and Toffoli. Voynov and Muzzin behind Doughty. Martin Jones was an undrafted rookie free agent. Eventually, they'll turn him into something like they did with Bernier. In the cap, you have to manage your assets. Creative trades, etc.

 

If you want to argue the positive of teams locking up their stars, it shows commitment and loyalty from both sides. It's good business.


Back to the original topic. Maybe it would be best for Brodeur to retire. Sign one of those one-day contracts with the Devils and call it a career.


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Posted 13 July 2014 - 07:14 AM

The funny thing is, I don't really hate him, as I don't follow and don't care about basketball. I dunno, but something about the whole thing rubs me the wrong way, and it probably has everything to do with ESPN being a part of it. I remember being just as annoyed when ESPN tried to turn the Brett Favre retirement/unretirement fiasco into the biggest thing since Pearl Harbor. In that instance though, it was just kind of a pathetic sideshow.


This. I hate basketball and really don't watch the NBA, but by all accounts LeBron seems like a good dude that unfairly gets a bad rap. The problem is ESPN. That network is total dogsh!t nowadays outside of their 30 for 30 series.

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 07:27 AM

Lebron is a good dude. But the way he handled it this year wasn't that good. But all is forgiven!
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Posted 14 July 2014 - 01:59 PM

Lebron is a good dude. But the way he handled it this year wasn't that good.

 

Compared to The Decision, he was saintly this year lol the only thing was the amount of time it took, but sometimes these things take time. I was very impressed with Lebron's SI thing and while I don't really care about the NBA all that much, hes the best player in the world and the attention is always going to be there.  The Decision was a disgusting ploy orchestrated by LeBron's people and the Great Satan, ESPN. He did it the right way this year. The reasoning he gave for leaving in 2010 and going back this year make perfect sense. I can't fault him at all for how he handled it. Keep it quiet until you're ready to say where you're going and then just announce it. I initially rolled my eyes when I heard he had an SI piece announcing it, but it was verbalized perfectly. I'm rooting for LeBron in Cleveland.

 

There's really no comparing Kovy or Brodeur with Lebron. While its arguable that Brodeur is the greatest of all time in his position, he's not anymore. He's a past his prime player that carries no real value if you bring him in. Lebron has been a free agent twice already and he's comparable to Michael Jordan in terms of talent and being a brand. He's still in his prime. Very few individuals in hockey have had the ability to get people to buy tickets just based on them being in the game. Kovalchuk was a very good player when hit FA, but hockey is not a sport about individuals the way basketball is. It's no surprise Cleveland sold out of season tickets within minutes of Lebron saying he was going back to Cleveland. The only individual in hockey right now who I think would garner the type of attention Lebron gets is Crosby and even there it would just be a fraction b/c basketball is much more popular.


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Posted 14 July 2014 - 04:47 PM

When i say that i mean, Bosh and Wade. They opted out because of the first intention of all resigning for him. And maybe Lebron decided after, to go to Cle, who knows. But all that didn't need to happen. Bosh was waiting on him, as well as Wade. If LBJ's intention at the beginning were to openly return to Cleveland, then Wade wouldn't even opt our or Bosh most apt.
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Posted 14 July 2014 - 05:01 PM

Back to the original topic. Maybe it would be best for Brodeur to retire. Sign one of those one-day contracts with the Devils and call it a career.

 

Is that even done in hockey?  I thought that was strictly an NFL thing.


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Posted 14 July 2014 - 05:10 PM

Is that even done in hockey?  I thought that was strictly an NFL thing.

 

I am sure it can be done anywhere. Roy Halladay did it with the Jays this off-season. It's only ceremonial, right?


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Posted 14 July 2014 - 05:33 PM

Am I wrong in thinking like Doug Weigjht or Paul Kariya did something like that also? Possibly made that up but I thought I remembered someone doing that.
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