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#261 roomtemp

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 07:26 PM

I am sure it can be done anywhere. Roy Halladay did it with the Jays this off-season. It's only ceremonial, right?

 

But why does he need it with the Devils if he never signed anywhere else? The point is you left for so many seasons to another team but you've always been associated with said team thus the 1 day contract.

 

I hate it because its just ceremonial nonsense. Retire by announcing it with the team does there need to be any more to that? Not like anyone is going to remember or care that you did


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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:17 PM

That's the whole idea, it's a ceremony.  Otherwise it's just a guy showing up somewhere.  I don't know the protocol behind one-day contracts but it is certainly possible to do it in hockey even without a proviso in the CBA - just sign the guy and then mutually terminate his contract the next day.

 

As for Brodeur, it is clear all along that he saw the goalie market was flooded and his dream is to parachute into a Cup contender who has an injury with their starting goalie, steal the starting job away from whatever they're using, and then lead that team to a Cup.  Although maybe that's not his ultimate goal - the fact that he's no longer giving interviews suggests hurt pride.  I wonder if he would try to come back with a mediocre team and then try to leap frog from there to a good team at the deadline.  Doesn't seem likely.  I think there's a decent chance (~25%) he won't play again.


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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:54 PM

That's the whole idea, it's a ceremony.  Otherwise it's just a guy showing up somewhere.  I don't know the protocol behind one-day contracts but it is certainly possible to do it in hockey even without a proviso in the CBA - just sign the guy and then mutually terminate his contract the next day.

 

As for Brodeur, it is clear all along that he saw the goalie market was flooded and his dream is to parachute into a Cup contender who has an injury with their starting goalie, steal the starting job away from whatever they're using, and then lead that team to a Cup.  Although maybe that's not his ultimate goal - the fact that he's no longer giving interviews suggests hurt pride.  I wonder if he would try to come back with a mediocre team and then try to leap frog from there to a good team at the deadline.  Doesn't seem likely.  I think there's a decent chance (~25%) he won't play again.

 

I don't even know if he cares about another cup. I think he wants 11 more wins.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 01:27 PM

I don't even know if he cares about another cup. I think he wants 11 more wins.

 

He's never mentioned the wins. I think he's just looking to prove he still has it, and wants to go out on his terms.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 01:43 PM

He's never mentioned the wins. I think he's just looking to prove he still has it, and wants to go out on his terms.

 

He loves playing hockey. It's admirable. I don't think there are specific goalies other than playing and playing on a good team. Might he want to reach 700 wins, sure. But there is absolutely no way he is doing this to reach 700 wins as some people have been saying. That's ridiculous. He owns the wins record, and he owns it by a lot. I doubt 700 wins is remotely important to him.

 

He isn't chasing any records. This isn't a round number that has historical meaning like 3000 baseball hits or 500 goals. He just wants to do what he loves, god damn it. He's chasing that rush. 


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 02:08 PM

He loves playing hockey. It's admirable. I don't think there are specific goalies other than playing and playing on a good team. Might he want to reach 700 wins, sure. But there is absolutely no way he is doing this to reach 700 wins as some people have been saying. That's ridiculous. He owns the wins record, and he owns it by a lot. I doubt 700 wins is remotely important to him.

 

He isn't chasing any records. This isn't a round number that has historical meaning like 3000 baseball hits or 500 goals. He just wants to do what he loves, god damn it. He's chasing that rush. 

 

At the same time if Brodeur had gotten to 700 wins, don't you think it is much more likely he would have hung them up after this past season?  I think so.

 

People can say he is doing this for the love of the game but just going by who he is and how he has always presented himself, these big number mean more to him than I think a lot of Devils fans would think.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 02:09 PM

I disagree I feel like hitting 700 would be something he wants.
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Posted 15 July 2014 - 02:16 PM

I disagree I feel like hitting 700 would be something he wants.

 

Sad thing is, unless he surprises the hell out of everyone (first by finding someone to sign him, and then by playing well), if he limps to 700, a fair number who saw him play will say, "Yeah, but he hung on too long."  It's the hanging on too long part that neither Roy or Hasek were guilty of...in Roy's case, people who look only at the numbers as time goes by will say "Why the hell did Roy retire?  He was still playing great!"


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 02:20 PM

Sad thing is, unless he surprises the hell out of everyone (first by finding someone to sign him, and then by playing well), if he limps to 700, a fair number who saw him play will say, "Yeah, but he hung on too long."  It's the hanging on too long part that neither Roy or Hasek were guilty of...in Roy's case, people who look only at the numbers as time goes by will say "Why the hell did Roy retire?  He was still playing great!"

 

Whats scarier is that there are fans out there who think Brodeur should be signed with the Devils just so he can get to 700.  I have seen some say he will get it in only 20-25 games.  They really, truly believe that.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 02:29 PM

Sad thing is, if he limps to 700, a fair number who saw him play will say, "Yeah, but he hung on too long."  It's the hanging on too long part that neither Roy or Hasek were guilty of.

 

James Duthie basically suggested the same point you're making on one of his recent blogs. The longer Brodeur continues to play, the more he looks like a compiler. Is 700 REALLY worth that? :huh:  What will he do if it doesn't happen this upcoming season?? --will he come back for the 2015-16 season, just to get 2 more wins?

 

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 02:53 PM

The more he looks like a compiler?  The wins record is untouchable by any current starting goalie.  I mean, I don't think too highly of the wins record overall, but he's 140 over the nearest guy.  I'd be very surprised if anyone beat that record in my lifetime.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 02:54 PM

I'm not sure how you reach the top of the mountain in wins and keep setting the bar higher and higher without being a 'compiler". Brodeur set the all-time wins record at 36.

 

You can make the case that from 620 on, he's hung around with his best days behind him, but lets see someone else pass Roy's record with some good hockey to spare. Unlikely.

 

But again, I have no clue why people think 700 is that important to him. He's never even brought up any milestones unless the media asked him about it. No way he is playing just for a number. He thinks he has good hockey left. I guess that's equally as nutty.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 03:12 PM

The more he looks like a compiler?  The wins record is untouchable by any current starting goalie.  I mean, I don't think too highly of the wins record overall, but he's 140 over the nearest guy.  I'd be very surprised if anyone beat that record in my lifetime.

 

Average age of retirement for an NHL player was 34-35 in 1977. In the 90's, few players played until 40 or beyond. If a player retired @ 37 or 38, it was considered a long career. (depending what age they started) Now.. players are playing well into their 40's.

1990 doesn't feel like 25 years ago, but it is. I can't predict what the average age of retirement will be in 2030, but I'd imagine the track-record(s) will continue to go up. Players are having longer careers as life-expectancy continues to go up. I'm not saying you'll definitely see a player break the wins record, but it's not impossible. Records were made to be broken.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 03:28 PM

James Duthie basically suggested the same point you're making on one of his recent blogs. The longer Brodeur continues to play, the more he looks like a compiler. Is 700 REALLY worth that? :huh:  What will he do if it doesn't happen this upcoming season?? --will he come back for the 2015-16 season, just to get 2 more wins?

 

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I won't ever think of Marty as a compiler...to me, compilers are guys who are pretty good, occasionally better than that, then hit some nice milestones basically from having played damned near forever.  Think the pitcher who has a lot of 14-11, 12-9 seasons, with a few 16-18 win seasons sprinkled in, and maybe a 20-win season, who by virtue of having started very young and being durable somehow finishes with 270-280 wins, even though he was never a guy who wowed.

 

Marty was a top goalie for a long time...I think Cujo when I think of a compiler-type.  Even with Marty's decline the last few seasons, most people will remember that he was one of the very best to play in his generation and one of the top goalies of all-time. 

 

As for Marty's record ever falling...so many things have to break right, starting with the team(s) you're on being good for almost your entire career, and your health rarely being a problem.  Just the regular-season games alone played by Marty is an insane achievement:  1259 and possibly counting.  Roy is second with 1029.  In the entire history of the league, you've got four more guys with 900+ starts (Sawchuk, Belfour, Cujo, and Hall).  It's so hard just to stay healthy enough to be able to even physically play for so long.  Marty was a complete freak in that way.  Look at the all-time list of games played and he's clearly the outlier:

 

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 03:33 PM

I won't ever think of Marty as a compiler...to me, compilers are guys who are pretty good, occasionally better than that, then hit some nice milestones basically from having played damned near forever.  Think the pitcher who has a lot of 14-11, 12-9 seasons, with a few 16-18 win seasons sprinkled in, and maybe a 20-win season, who by virtue of having started very young and being durable somehow finishes with 270-280 wins, even though he was never a guy who wowed.

under baseball analogys i would compare marty to roger clemens


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 03:34 PM

Compilers aren't in multiple Vezina discussions as serious contenders to win. Marty as a compiler is silly, he's a record destroyer, not a guy meekly building up to an arbitrary round number.
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Posted 15 July 2014 - 03:45 PM

under baseball analogys i would compare marty to roger Clemens

 

In baseball terms.. Brodeur is Tom Seaver. Hasek is Sandy Koufax.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 03:47 PM

Compilers aren't in multiple Vezina discussions as serious contenders to win. Marty as a compiler is silly, he's a record destroyer, not a guy meekly building up to an arbitrary round number.

i believe marty has more vezina trophys than anyone? correct


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 03:52 PM

i believe marty has more vezina trophys than anyone? correct

 

Hasek has six under the current voting format (instituted in 1981-82).  Marty's won four. 


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 03:57 PM

Hasek has six under the current voting format (instituted in 1981-82).  Marty's won four. 

 

If I'm not mistaken.. Ken Dryden's won 5 in the span of 9 seasons.


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