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#1 msweet

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 11:00 PM

http://nhl.nhllinks.tk/37'

 

Not sure how fair this is

 

 

 

 


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Posted 17 June 2014 - 11:16 PM

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 11:55 PM

The photo was posted here FYI.

 

http://www.njdevs.co...=133795&page=42

 

A couple of things: It seems like an unfair shot. The Kings had a parade that ended in the arena for speeches and what not. The Hawks kept the entire thing outside. And even then it's really just a BS side-by-side shot. Why does it need to be compared to the Blackhawks parade? Chicago is a sports town and the city shutdown for both Hawks parades. There was an estimated 1.5million+ for each parade. Those celebrations would make any team's parade in any sport look silly. Seems like the photos were put together by some butt-hurt Hawks fan. The same kind of people that sh!t on the Devils' lightly attended "parades".

 

The Kings had a pretty nice sized crowd for their apparently. Estimated that a few hundred thousand people showed up.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 07:03 AM

Usually the numbers for these parades or even political protests are wildly exaggerated. There is zero chance that there were even close to 1.5 million people at any parade for any pro sports champion. The city of Chicago has a population of less than 3 million. The metropolitan area is about 9 million, which mean about 20 percent of the entire area went to the parade, probably more than actually watched the games.

The main reason why more people were probably at the Blackhawks parade was that it was in an area that a lot of people work. They might even count the people that just happen to be in their offices as there for the parade.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:51 AM

Actual facebook post from a Rangers fan: 

"LOL the Los Angeles Kings had their parade today to celebrate their Stanley Cup victory this year. They said an estimated 300,000 fans showed up for the celebration. That's it?! Wow. Great fans guys. On top of it, they probably don't even know they won the cup 2 years ago and that they even had Gretzky on their team at one point!"


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:57 AM

LET'S GET A PICTURE OF THE BLACKHAWKS ARENA IN 2005 VS. THE KINGS ARENA IN 2005.

 

 

 

...That's more telling.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:58 AM

LET'S GET A PICTURE OF THE BLACKHAWKS ARENA IN 2005 VS. THE KINGS ARENA IN 2005.

 

 

 

...That's more telling.

 

Both empty...but for different reasons than you are getting at.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:59 AM

Both empty...but for different reasons than you are getting at.

 

hahaha Dammit... Well, 2005-2006...


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:16 AM

Actual facebook post from a Rangers fan: 

"LOL the Los Angeles Kings had their parade today to celebrate their Stanley Cup victory this year. They said an estimated 300,000 fans showed up for the celebration. That's it?! Wow. Great fans guys. On top of it, they probably don't even know they won the cup 2 years ago and that they even had Gretzky on their team at one point!"

this is the reason we have a "Rangers Suck and Marty and the Queen have a drink" thread

eff them


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:16 AM

Kings have been around since 1967 and in that time only found relevance with the Gretzky acquisition (1988).   The Hawks are an original 6 with decades of roots in the market.

 

This is why the League wanted Chicago, not LA in the Finals.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:27 AM

Actual facebook post from a Rangers fan: 

"LOL the Los Angeles Kings had their parade today to celebrate their Stanley Cup victory this year. They said an estimated 300,000 fans showed up for the celebration. That's it?! Wow. Great fans guys. On top of it, they probably don't even know they won the cup 2 years ago and that they even had Gretzky on their team at one point!"

 

Again, what's more idiotic about this post is that even the New York Giants, Yankees and even the Mets in 1986 probably did not have 300,000 people actually make a conscious decision to go the parade, and the Kings did not either.

 

The inflated numbers come from the people that happen to be in the area at the time of the parade, and even that number is probably exaggerated. 


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:39 AM

Again, what's more idiotic about this post is that even the New York Giants, Yankees and even the Mets in 1986 probably did not have 300,000 people actually make a conscious decision to go the parade, and the Kings did not either.

 

The inflated numbers come from the people that happen to be in the area at the time of the parade, and even that number is probably exaggerated. 

 

The Blackhawks' parades may have had 1million+. I have never seen anything like them. I know they are usually inflated but...see for yourself


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:57 AM

Kings have been around since 1967 and in that time only found relevance with the Gretzky acquisition (1988).   The Hawks are an original 6 with decades of roots in the market.

 

This is why the League wanted Chicago, not LA in the Finals.

 

Nah, that Original Six hype/"aura" is brainwashing garbage (no offense to you). Until Boston won 4 years ago or so, it was just a bunch of perennial underachieving teams lacking relevance in the league and, especially in Chicago's case, with no one even going to the games or giving a sh!t. The Bostons, Chicagos, New Yorks, these cities weren't "hockey crazy" cities 4-5 years ago.

 

The franchises I'll give credit to for tradition and "aura", for lack of a better word, are the Habs and Detroit.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:58 AM

The Blackhawks' parades may have had 1million+. I have never seen anything like them. I know they are usually inflated but...see for yourself

 

It's hard to imagine big a figure 1 million people actually is.

 

To put it in perspective, it's about 2/3 of the total population of Manhattan.  It's larger than the entire population of Boston.  It's more than twice the number of US servicemen killed in WWII.  It's nearly twice the number of US servicemen that were deployed to Vietnam, and about twenty times the number of US servicemen killed in Vietnam. 

 

Or, this is a photo of the crowd at Woodstock, which drew 400,000 people total.

 

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 11:06 AM

Chicago's ownership was actually worse than the Mets' current ownership, they alienated an entire generation of fans by not putting the games on TV and not acknowledging their past legends. They always had a big fanbase, they were just staying away until Dollar Bill croaked.
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Posted 18 June 2014 - 11:11 AM

This isnt fair to LA. 300,000 is an excellent number for a city with crap public transportation. Daniel also is spot on in saying many of the Chi/NY parades include people who just happen to be in the area. Lord knows we will get hammered for our next cup parade.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 11:15 AM

Nah, that Original Six hype/"aura" is brainwashing garbage (no offense to you). Until Boston won 4 years ago or so, it was just a bunch of perennial underachieving teams lacking relevance in the league and, especially in Chicago's case, with no one even going to the games or giving a sh!t. The Bostons, Chicagos, New Yorks, these cities weren't "hockey crazy" cities 4-5 years ago.

The franchises I'll give credit to for tradition and "aura", for lack of a better word, are the Habs and Detroit.

bravo, some nhl fans need to have this pounded in their face. Folks in Chicago weren't screaming "Original 6!" Back in 2001-2007. I'm tired of hearing about original 6- the only people who care and should care are fans of those teams, and even they often can't get their own history straight (I bet 90% of rags fans couldn't name me a rags goalie that played before richter.)

This whole idea that because a team is old it should be treated better is nonsense that seems only to resonate with nhl fans. I dont see it in any other North American sports league.

Plus, Why should the Blackhawks be proud of being an original 6 when they only won 2 cups in the first 34 years as an original 6?

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 11:17 AM

Usually the numbers for these parades or even political protests are wildly exaggerated. There is zero chance that there were even close to 1.5 million people at any parade for any pro sports champion. The city of Chicago has a population of less than 3 million. The metropolitan area is about 9 million, which mean about 20 percent of the entire area went to the parade, probably more than actually watched the games.

The main reason why more people were probably at the Blackhawks parade was that it was in an area that a lot of people work. They might even count the people that just happen to be in their offices as there for the parade.


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It's hard to imagine big a figure 1 million people actually is.

 

To put it in perspective, it's about 2/3 of the total population of Manhattan.  It's larger than the entire population of Boston.  It's more than twice the number of US servicemen killed in WWII.  It's nearly twice the number of US servicemen that were deployed to Vietnam, and about twenty times the number of US servicemen killed in Vietnam. 

 

Or, this is a photo of the crowd at Woodstock, which drew 400,000 people total.

 

woodstock-7.jpg

I don't think your comparisons there are all that meaningful. A few college football stadiums regularly draw 100k people for just an average game, it's not that crazy to me to think a city (and it's surrounding areas) would churn out a group in the million range.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 11:33 AM

I don't think your comparisons there are all that meaningful. A few college football stadiums regularly draw 100k people for just an average game, it's not that crazy to me to think a city (and it's surrounding areas) would churn out a group in the million range.

 

Still zero chance.  Some other comparisons if it helps.  Ridership for the entire NJ Transit system for an entire weekday is 940,000.  One million people amounts to 1/5 of the total ridership of the entire New York City subway system for an entire day.  (And I don't even know if you split that number roughly in half since many of those people are at least taking two separate trips). 

 

At their peak, the SCF had 6 million viewers for the entire country.  There is no way you are going to get a figure even close to one out of every six people that turned on the television in the entire country to watch the thing in their living room to actually go to a parade in Chicago

 

And college football is an order of magnitude more popular than the NHL, and the games take place on Saturdays where virtually the entire state is tuning in. If you put the crowd at your average Michigan home game on a flat surface, it would probably look about as big as  the pictures of the crowd at the Hawks parade.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 11:53 AM

Still zero chance.  Some other comparisons if it helps.  Ridership for the entire NJ Transit system for an entire weekday is 940,000.  One million people amounts to 1/5 of the total ridership of the entire New York City subway system for an entire day.  (And I don't even know if you split that number roughly in half since many of those people are at least taking two separate trips). 

 

At they're peak, the SCF had 6 million viewers for the entire country.  There is no way you are going to get a figure even close to one out of every six people that turned on the television in the entire country to watch the thing in their living room to actually go to a parade in Chicago

 

And college football is an order of magnitude more popular than the NHL, and the games take place on Saturdays where virtually the entire state is tuning in. 

Wiki says game 6 drew over 8 million viewers for the blackhawks. Chicago drew 30.2 which I believe just means households watching the game, and their TV market is 3.5 million.

So 1 million households in the Chicago area watched the final game, you don't think it's likely that of those, say 1 out of 3 people went to the parade and took their spouse / kids with them?

I do.


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