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#41 SMantzas

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 09:45 AM

Stupid.... Not you, but Hextall. Getting rid of Richards/Carter was a king of the jungle move and look how that panned out. Now they get rid of arguably their #2 leader... again...

My money's on Columbus making a nice playoff run next year.


In retrospect the Carter and Richards trades are pretty big wins for Philly. It just looks worse because LA won two cups in three years (they have CBJ to thank, twice)
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Posted 24 June 2014 - 09:51 AM

In retrospect the Carter and Richards trades are pretty big wins for Philly. It just looks worse because LA won two cups in three years (they have CBJ to thank, twice)

 

I agree.. They got solid young pieces in return on that one.. The JVR trade though was just horrific, and makes me jealous that we haven't fleeced someone like that recently as well


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 09:56 AM

I agree.. They got solid young pieces in return on that one.. The JVR trade though was just horrific, and makes me jealous that we haven't fleeced someone like that recently as well


The Schneider trade is pretty close
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Posted 24 June 2014 - 10:09 AM

Stupid move by the Flyers. They save 2 years of contract by trading for a guy whose primary position last season was 'the healthy scratch'? But not complaining, love to see them crap the bed.


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 10:41 AM

I agree.. They got solid young pieces in return on that one.. The JVR trade though was just horrific, and makes me jealous that we haven't fleeced someone like that recently as well

 

Judging by fans' and GMs' reactions around the league, the Schneider trade was an absolute fleecing. I don't think anyone thinks Vancouver won that one. You'll remember commentators during/after the draft talking about other GMs being left with their jaws wide open in disbelief. It was bad, and Lou did it on the big (live) stage of the NHL Draft, which all of Canada watches on TV religiously.


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 10:48 AM

Stupid.... Not you, but Hextall. Getting rid of Richards/Carter was a king of the jungle move and look how that panned out. Now they get rid of arguably their #2 leader... again...

My money's on Columbus making a nice playoff run next year.


To be fair there were rumblings that Hartnell was a bit of a problem earlier in the year. Don't know how true they were but there might be some reasoning behind the move being made.
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Posted 24 June 2014 - 10:58 AM

To be fair there were rumblings that Hartnell was a bit of a problem earlier in the year. Don't know how true they were but there might be some reasoning behind the move being made.


I heard he had an affair with Rod Brind A'Mour's wife. Or is it the other way around?


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 11:02 AM

I heard he had an affair with Rod Brind A'Mour's wife. Or is it the other way around?


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I think you're thinking of Lindros... There was a rumor a few years ago that Carter was banging Hartnell's wife though.
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Posted 24 June 2014 - 11:10 AM

Man, Flyers are dirty even off the ice.


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 11:11 AM

I think you're thinking of Lindros... There was a rumor a few years ago that Carter was banging Hartnell's wife though.


Yeah, I was making light of the fact that there's always a rumor about someone in the Flyers having an affair with a teammate's wife. They take on many different forms, but they seem unique to the Flyers for some reason.

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 11:16 AM

Yeah, I was making light of the fact that there's always a rumor about someone in the Flyers having an affair with a teammate's wife. They take on many different forms, but they seem unique to the Flyers for some reason.

It's hockey's version of Mikey's stomach melting from pop rocks and coke.


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 11:16 AM

Judging by fans' and GMs' reactions around the league, the Schneider trade was an absolute fleecing. I don't think anyone thinks Vancouver won that one. You'll remember commentators during/after the draft talking about other GMs being left with their jaws wide open in disbelief. It was bad, and Lou did it on the big (live) stage of the NHL Draft, which all of Canada watches on TV religiously.


Damn you guys are right, and he did it in front of an arena of fans as well as GMs.. Looking back on it, that was pretty boss, and he gave a look that said he knew it too haha

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 11:34 AM

Damn you guys are right, and he did it in front of an arena of fans as well as GMs.. Looking back on it, that was pretty boss, and he gave a look that said he knew it too haha

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 11:35 AM

Damn you guys are right, and he did it in front of an arena of fans as well as GMs.. Looking back on it, that was pretty boss, and he gave a look that said he knew it too haha

 

haha Yeah! He even got Vancouver's GM not to disclose any of it before the Draft, regardless of the trade being finalized on the Saturday, possible Friday night before Sunday's draft. Sure the reasons were probably "not to put a damper on the fans' attendance to the draft", but essentially, he held the news for the big stage which was pretty embarrassing for Vancouver. I'm sure Bo Horvat will do well in the league, but still... Even then, most people thought Vancouver could've had Horvat later in the round regardless, I don't remember him being ranked in the top 10 or 15 for that matter..


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 12:52 PM

I'm not so sure this is as much a fleecing as some are making it out to be. I see hartnell as basically a clarkson clone at this point- put him with Giroux and voracek and he may get 50 points while taking a ton of penalties, but it's not like he's a top line player by himself. Honestly I think the flyers just needed a shock to the system- they're not winning a cup anytime soon with their roster and by moving hartnell it puts some guys on notice.

Although that being said I do think the return is a bit underwhelming- I would of thought the flyers would look for (and get) a decent prospect/higher pick instead.
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Posted 24 June 2014 - 01:22 PM

Damn you guys are right, and he did it in front of an arena of fans as well as GMs.. Looking back on it, that was pretty boss, and he gave a look that said he knew it too haha

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 01:26 PM

I'm not so sure this is as much a fleecing as some are making it out to be. I see hartnell as basically a clarkson clone at this point- put him with Giroux and voracek and he may get 50 points while taking a ton of penalties, but it's not like he's a top line player by himself. Honestly I think the flyers just needed a shock to the system- they're not winning a cup anytime soon with their roster and by moving hartnell it puts some guys on notice.

Although that being said I do think the return is a bit underwhelming- I would of thought the flyers would look for (and get) a decent prospect/higher pick instead.

 

He's not paid like a top line player.  He's paid like a 2nd/3rd line guy and that's what he is, and yeah he'll get worse, but Umberger is a much worse player.  Why do Philadelphia players need to be put on notice?  They've traded a top player on their team in 2 of the last 3 offseasons.  If players haven't learned that you can just get traded out of Philadelphia for no real reason, they're kinda thick.


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 06:56 PM

The Schneider trade absolutely was a fleecing.  I have no idea what Gillis was thinking.  He could have picked up a decent player or lower end prospect, or a good player for Schneider, but Bo Horvat?  I thought they were trading for the pick to pick up Shinkaruk, and then Shinkaruk drops all the way to the OTHER Vancouver pick.  I do wish Lou kind of zeroed on in that one still or somehow got a chance on him. 

EDIT:  On topic however, I think CBJ wins this one for now.  Think of CBJ's top six with a guy like Hartnell now?  You're looking at a top line with Aktinson-Johansen-Anisimov/Jenner/Calvert (Slot those young guys where-ever you'd like, but THEN they now have a second line, consisting of Hartnell-Dubinsky-Horton.  That is a very difficult second line to play against. 


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 06:59 PM

He's not paid like a top line player. He's paid like a 2nd/3rd line guy and that's what he is, and yeah he'll get worse, but Umberger is a much worse player. Why do Philadelphia players need to be put on notice? They've traded a top player on their team in 2 of the last 3 offseasons. If players haven't learned that you can just get traded out of Philadelphia for no real reason, they're kinda thick.


The forward group is solid, it's the D that terrible. I have no idea why this transpired. It seems that GM's are trying to get out of some of these longer deals. I wonder if they feel the cap is gonna drop a decent amount. How does expansion figure in to revenue if those teams struggle?

I'd take Sharp in here in a heartbeat. Maybe Larsson could get a fresh start in Chicago, although I know they are looking for help at center.

Sharp's skillset and style of play is similar to Selanne and he still could be playing 3rd line minutes his age.

Kane and Toews must be looking to break the bank because they are looking at moving Oduya or Chaaallllmerrsonnnn also.

I can't watch another season with no finishers.
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Posted 24 June 2014 - 07:12 PM

The forward group is solid, it's the D that terrible. I have no idea why this transpired. It seems that GM's are trying to get out of some of these longer deals. I wonder if they feel the cap is gonna drop a decent amount. How does expansion figure in to revenue if those teams struggle?

I'd take Sharp in here in a heartbeat. Maybe Larsson could get a fresh start in Chicago, although I know they are looking for help at center.

Sharp's skillset and style of play is similar to Selanne and he still could be playing 3rd line minutes his age.

Kane and Toews must be looking to break the bank because they are looking at moving Oduya or Chaaallllmerrsonnnn also.

I can't watch another season with no finishers.

 

Don't make me laugh, a fresh start?  He is not someone that strikes me as someone who needs a fresh start, he's 21 for christ sakes and an RFA.  Steve Mason needed a fresh start.  Jason Spezza maybe needs a new start, but a 21-year old still developing defensemen??  No way. 

Colin White was 23 when he broke into the league.  Paul Martin, 23.  There are other examples as well who are not Devils, I guess Hedman from Tampa.


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