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#41 RizzMB30

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 02:06 PM

I'd like to see Hrabarenka or Helgeson get some time.  Why would the Devils sign another defenseman when they've been praising their own defensive depth for this entire off-season.  We have an 7th defenseman who will jump in in case of injury, and that's Harrold.  I understand the reasoning behind signing a depth defeseman that can bounce in between, but I don't see that happening.  You're going to have a depth guy that is going to be repeatedly exposed to waivers if the Devils have a multitude of injuries.  It's just much easier to move around a younger guy if the injury bug hits us hard.  


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 02:16 PM

I'd like to see Hrabarenka or Helgeson get some time.  Why would the Devils sign another defenseman when they've been praising their own defensive depth for this entire off-season.  We have an 7th defenseman who will jump in in case of injury, and that's Harrold.  I understand the reasoning behind signing a depth defeseman that can bounce in between, but I don't see that happening.  You're going to have a depth guy that is going to be repeatedly exposed to waivers if the Devils have a multitude of injuries.  It's just much easier to move around a younger guy if the injury bug hits us hard.  

Unless Severson is going back to Kelowna, which I don't think he is, i'd love to see him as the guy we give a shot to in case of injury, DeBoer said that Severson will be given a legitimate look to make the team in September but I think Severson's contract situation with him being able to go down without waivers is gonna prevent him from making the team, unless he REALLY impresses and grabs a job. So yeah, I agree, i'd rather just have our young d with guys like Helgeson or Severson come up and play instead of signing a veteran depth guy.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 02:38 PM

I think Severson's probably capable of playing in the NHL.  I imagine Helgeson is a replacement-level D at best, which is not what you want to have around.  I guess Harrold fulfills that function but it would be nice to have another guy around in case Severson falters (or in the near-inevitable case that Helgeson does)

 

Severson cannot go back to Kelowna, he's AHL or NHL (or ECHL). 


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 05:08 PM

Use your skills Damon, you don't have to play a physical game because you are big...

 

Severson on what advice Stevens has given him this week about his play:

“I think he likes what he sees overall. He was a very physical player and a very competitive player when he played and that’s what he wants to see out of his players that he coaches. So, anytime you can be solid on the defensive end, then my mindset is get in the offensive end and create for your team as well. Obviously, as a defenseman, you’ve got to shut down the opposition and he’s a guy who really prides himself on being physical and making players on the other team not want to play against you. So, (it’s) just little things that I’ve learned from him and I hope to continue doing so.”

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 09:22 PM

 

Use your skills Damon, you don't have to play a physical game because you are big...

 

Severson on what advice Stevens has given him this week about his play:

“I think he likes what he sees overall. He was a very physical player and a very competitive player when he played and that’s what he wants to see out of his players that he coaches. So, anytime you can be solid on the defensive end, then my mindset is get in the offensive end and create for your team as well. Obviously, as a defenseman, you’ve got to shut down the opposition and he’s a guy who really prides himself on being physical and making players on the other team not want to play against you. So, (it’s) just little things that I’ve learned from him and I hope to continue doing so.”

- See more at: http://fireandice.no...h.GBPSdoyj.dpuf

 

 

 

argh. this is so stupid. stevens did this with gelinas too - you're big - you've gotta hit and be physical.

 

not everyone is a good hitter and can necessarily play physically. lidstrom wasn't physical - he was just excellent positionally.

 

"not everyone can hit, be physical - you either know how to do it or you don't." you can figure out who told me that.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 09:59 PM

I mean, if Severson's already a physical player, I don't see the problem.  I do see an issue with being physical at the blue line in general, I just don't think that's a strategy that can work in today's NHL.


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 02:33 AM

Stop it Stevens. 


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 03:18 AM

He's teaching the kids how to play physically well.  It already added another element to Larsson's game, making him a more complete player.  You all are making it sound like it's a bad thing.  This idea that in the 'new' NHL there is no place for physicality is complete bull.  In no way is Stevens forcing these players to be physical.  That's the most naive thing I've ever heard. 

 

 

Use your skills Damon, you don't have to play a physical game because you are big...

 

Severson on what advice Stevens has given him this week about his play:

“I think he likes what he sees overall. He was a very physical player and a very competitive player when he played and that’s what he wants to see out of his players that he coaches. So, anytime you can be solid on the defensive end, then my mindset is get in the offensive end and create for your team as well. Obviously, as a defenseman, you’ve got to shut down the opposition and he’s a guy who really prides himself on being physical and making players on the other team not want to play against you. So, (it’s) just little things that I’ve learned from him and I hope to continue doing so.”

- See more at: http://fireandice.no...h.GBPSdoyj.dpuf

 

The only thing you can really take from this is that Stevens wants an offensive-minded defenseman(Severson) to be responsible defensively.  That's true for every single defenseman.  No where in there does it say, "Stevens told me to be more physical because I'm big."  This is Severson saying he THINKS Stevens and the coaching staff think of him.  This is more a testament to how Stevens played, not how Severson plays or should play. 
 

 

argh. this is so stupid. stevens did this with gelinas too - you're big - you've gotta hit and be physical.

 

not everyone is a good hitter and can necessarily play physically. lidstrom wasn't physical - he was just excellent positionally.

 

"not everyone can hit, be physical - you either know how to do it or you don't." you can figure out who told me that.

So not everybody can be Stevens, but anybody can be Lidstrom?  The point I'd like to make is that both Stevens and Lidstrom were COMPLETE defensemen.  Has it not occurred that Stevens wants to coach defensemen to also be complete defensemen?  Wouldn't you rather a defensemen to understand how to be physical in the right way than be a loose cannon. 


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 08:44 AM

He's teaching the kids how to play physically well.  It already added another element to Larsson's game, making him a more complete player.  You all are making it sound like it's a bad thing.  This idea that in the 'new' NHL there is no place for physicality is complete bull.  In no way is Stevens forcing these players to be physical.  That's the most naive thing I've ever heard. 

 

The only thing you can really take from this is that Stevens wants an offensive-minded defenseman(Severson) to be responsible defensively.  That's true for every single defenseman.  No where in there does it say, "Stevens told me to be more physical because I'm big."  This is Severson saying he THINKS Stevens and the coaching staff think of him.  This is more a testament to how Stevens played, not how Severson plays or should play. 
 

 

So not everybody can be Stevens, but anybody can be Lidstrom?  The point I'd like to make is that both Stevens and Lidstrom were COMPLETE defensemen.  Has it not occurred that Stevens wants to coach defensemen to also be complete defensemen?  Wouldn't you rather a defensemen to understand how to be physical in the right way than be a loose cannon. 

 

i'm not saying to not be physical - i'm saying to know when to go out of your way to make a hit and when not to. gelinas took himself out of the play enough times to take notice in the 2nd half when he was doing whatever he could to stay in the lineup because they essentially thought he was nothing more than a PP specialist.


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 09:40 AM

Man the Devils have SO many quality prospects on defense.  It's truly a great thing.

 

(In no particular order) Larsson, Merril, Gelinas, Severson, Santini, Scarlett, Jacobs..even Burlon and Hrabarenka.. damn.

 

Does make you think some of them have to be expendable though.  

 

I have to admit.. I was always adamantly against trading Larsson.  But if he's still got that flashy appeal to other GMs..and if he could snag a quality offensive prospect.. I'm starting to think it might be a smart move.


 
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Posted 16 July 2014 - 02:59 PM

i'm not saying to not be physical - i'm saying to know when to go out of your way to make a hit and when not to. gelinas took himself out of the play enough times to take notice in the 2nd half when he was doing whatever he could to stay in the lineup because they essentially thought he was nothing more than a PP specialist.

He was oft out of position, but that isn't Steven's fault for every mistake Gelinas made last season.  He has to correct his game, Stevens can't do that for him


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 06:15 PM

He was oft out of position, but that isn't Steven's fault for every mistake Gelinas made last season. He has to correct his game, Stevens can't do that for him


This. And to make things worse Gelinas is a weak skater.
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Posted 16 July 2014 - 07:13 PM

On the Devils' website they have highlights of the goals from today's scrimmage. Miles Wood and Ben Thomsen scored beauties
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Posted 16 July 2014 - 09:17 PM

That Santini video - the second play he makes where he makes a hit, takes the puck, then skates up ice to support the forwards, is really something.  And NJ traded *down* for this guy?


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 09:49 PM

That Santini video - the second play he makes where he makes a hit, takes the puck, then skates up ice to support the forwards, is really something. And NJ traded *down* for this guy?


That video put a huge smile on my face. You can see so much in that small clip and it was all good.
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Posted 16 July 2014 - 10:06 PM

What's nice about Santini in the few videos I've seen is his hitting seems explosive but he sets up his hits through good positioning and technique, not wild skating and aggression.
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Posted 16 July 2014 - 10:12 PM

What's nice about Santini in the few videos I've seen is his hitting seems explosive but he sets up his hits through good positioning and technique, not wild skating and aggression.

Yes, I notice when he hits a lot of time it finishes in a pin along the boards, tremendous control of his body throughout the plays. This kid could play in the NHL now, I seriously think his skills and defense would hold up.


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 11:45 PM

Santini looks like a man among boys in that video. He looks confident.
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Posted 17 July 2014 - 12:15 AM

I am really interested to see what Jacobs develops into. Reports are 6`2 with a large frame, tremendous skating, absolute cannon and a good first pass. I love toolsy defensmen like that. Especially with Bouwmeester comparisons being tossed around.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 12:32 AM

Here's the Santini video that was mentioned above for anyone who didn't see it. Tough kid...

 


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