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#41 Triumph

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 01:06 PM

As I recall, Josefson did one of his classic 'don't shoot from a scoring chance area' and DeBoer yanked him off the line.  That's something he is going to have to fix.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 01:27 PM

except that isn't true. he played half of two games on Jagr's line last year, and that was it. far from atrocious, too.

 

Maybe "atrocious" was a bit strong. I hope I'm wrong, but I haven't seen anything from JJ to indicate that he's anything more than a checking center. He's great on the PK but I just don't see him as being anything more.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 01:30 PM

As I recall, Josefson did one of his classic 'don't shoot from a scoring chance area' and DeBoer yanked him off the line.  That's something he is going to have to fix.

Yeah, this doesn't fly in DeBoer's system.  I didn't think that he looked bad with Jagr and Zajac, and Jagr even praised Josefson's play when they played together in practice.  I know Jagr is no coach, but he's not completely devoid of hockey IQ and judging other players play.  He praised Zajac too and wouldn't be too happy if he was yanked from Zajac's wing.


Maybe "atrocious" was a bit strong. I hope I'm wrong, but I haven't seen anything from JJ to indicate that he's anything more than a checking center. He's great on the PP but I just don't see him as being anything more.

Maybe a little strong, you rarely see him making mistakes on the defensive side of the puck.  If you've noticed that he is good on the PP, it's only because he's one of the better passers on the roster.  He's very accurate, and was featured in a In Lou We Trust article for it. 


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 01:36 PM

except that isn't true. he played half of two games on Jagr's line last year, and that was it. far from atrocious, too.

 

 

Yup, and it was around the 1/2 way mark of the season if I recall, and Jagr was singing his praises a day earlier, showed some signs of frustration with DeBoer after he took JJ off his line so quickly.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 01:52 PM


Maybe a little strong, you rarely see him making mistakes on the defensive side of the puck.  If you've noticed that he is good on the PP, it's only because he's one of the better passers on the roster.  He's very accurate, and was featured in a In Lou We Trust article for it. 

 

I see no issues with his defensive game. If it wasn't for his defensive game, he'd probably be out of an NHL job by now. My argument is that he has shown nothing more than being a checking center.

 

Also, I meant "PK" not "PP" (and edited the error in my post).


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 02:41 PM

I see no issues with his defensive game. If it wasn't for his defensive game, he'd probably be out of an NHL job by now. My argument is that he has shown nothing more than being a checking center.

 

Also, I meant "PK" not "PP" (and edited the error in my post).

Ah, yes.  No worries.  I don't remember seeing him playing on the PP at all.  Why I said, "If you've noticed that"


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 03:11 PM

JJ was benched after having one of his best games last year. While you guys keep blaming the rookies, I continue to blame this coach. He sucks and shouldve been let go.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 03:15 PM

JJ was benched after having one of his best games last year. While you guys keep blaming the rookies, I continue to blame this coach. He sucks and shouldve been let go.

I can't agree with you 100% but i can't disagree that Josefson is mishandle by Deboer. (if im JJ i would be pissed) But the gentleman drinks lou.s Kool aid because he's staying with us. I respect Josefson and wish him good fortune this year.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 03:21 PM

JJ was benched after having one of his best games last year. While you guys keep blaming the rookies, I continue to blame this coach. He sucks and shouldve been let go.

Bullsh!t.  The coach is the easiest target to blame for fans because the coach doesn't have stats that a regular fan can look at and say, "Oh this coach doesn't produce points or this coach doesn't help the team."  On top of that, the coach is the easiest to get rid of.  If you want to boil in down to stats, DeBoer has a 102-75-34 record in New Jersey, could be better, but losing 3 top scorers and still coming out above average is another testament to Pete.  You can play the blame game all you want, this team is never as bad as people make it out to be.  No one here is blaming the rooks.  Did you read the rest of the thread?

Most fans don't understand that stability is healthier for a team than a revolving door.  Things start to go sour, "Oh this team sucks, it must be the coach.  Once he's gone, that will make us a better team."


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 04:10 PM

Bullsh!t.  The coach is the easiest target to blame for fans because the coach doesn't have stats that a regular fan can look at and say, "Oh this coach doesn't produce points or this coach doesn't help the team."  On top of that, the coach is the easiest to get rid of.  If you want to boil in down to stats, DeBoer has a 102-75-34 record in New Jersey, could be better, but losing 3 top scorers and still coming out above average is another testament to Pete.  You can play the blame game all you want, this team is never as bad as people make it out to be.  No one here is blaming the rooks.  Did you read the rest of the thread?

Most fans don't understand that stability is healthier for a team than a revolving door.  Things start to go sour, "Oh this team sucks, it must be the coach.  Once he's gone, that will make us a better team."

 

Are you saying the coach doesn't sit down and look at stats too?

 

But I think overall DeBoer is a good coach.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 05:41 PM

Are you saying the coach doesn't sit down and look at stats too?

 

But I think overall DeBoer is a good coach.

I'm saying that coaches don't have stats the same way that players do for fans to evaluate them by.  You can't look at a coach and be like, "This person has scored me so many points, therefore they are valuable to the team."  The main point is that coaches are the easier to get rid of and are the first to blame when things go down the toilet. 


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 09:07 PM

The Ruutu trade made no sense. If his contract expired at the end of the 13-14 season, I'd have no problem with it. Well, there's 2 more years on his contract and we have yet another 3rd/4th line caliber player in our lineup that is filled with too many 3rd/4th line caliber players. Oh, and his contract is a $3.8mill cap hit (which is HORRIBLE even with the Canes picking up 20% of his $4.75mill/season contract) with a No Movement Clause. :argh:

Length of contract aside, I think management was looking to shore up a lack of forward grittiness in the lineup with a player known to cause major headaches to opposing teams. Think Ponikarovsky type addition to the team with a bit of added offense to frustrate the Crosby's in the league. The Devils knew Clowe's health was a big question mark heading into the final stretch run of their playoff push and Zubrus' tough play wasn't as pronounced as in previous seasons. I was ok with the move and am looking forward to seeing what he can do with a full trainng camp behind him. I get the cap hit concerns, but you can never have enough grit heading into the playoffs and players that are difficult to play against can effectively shutdown bigger, more offensive minded guns.

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 07:52 AM

Perhaps the second year makes teams less likely to claim him if he is sent down
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Posted 18 July 2014 - 08:56 AM

Perhaps the second year makes teams less likely to claim him if he is sent down

 

That doesn't make any sense.  It's a tiny contract.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 02:24 PM

I shudder to think where this team would have ended up these last two seasons without Pete's system.
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Posted 18 July 2014 - 02:33 PM

I'm saying that coaches don't have stats the same way that players do for fans to evaluate them by.  You can't look at a coach and be like, "This person has scored me so many points, therefore they are valuable to the team."  The main point is that coaches are the easier to get rid of and are the first to blame when things go down the toilet. 

 

Oh ok I misunderstood your post then.  Carry on.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 07:57 AM

That doesn't make any sense. It's a tiny contract.

Sure it does, if a team claims him and he doesn't work, they have to find some place to put him the next year
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 10:04 AM

I can't agree with you 100% but i can't disagree that Josefson is mishandle by Deboer. (if im JJ i would be pissed) But the gentleman drinks lou.s Kool aid because he's staying with us. I respect Josefson and wish him good fortune this year.

This coach is (and will always be) a what have you done for me lately.  (like all NHL coaches) Show me what you got and you'll play accordingly. Coach can't give you "time" to work on your game. JJ has short comings. Not strong on the walls, sometimes unwilling to go to dirty areas. In the players exiting interviews with management last year, what do you think JJ was asked "to work on" over the summer? I would love for him to succeed here and not be a bust. I'm sure Lou/Deboer does as well. Signing him to a 2 yr contract is showing confidence. Now JJ needs to show urgency, not Deboer.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 10:24 PM

Sure it does, if a team claims him and he doesn't work, they have to find some place to put him the next year

 

No they don't.  They can loan him to the KHL (with his consent, of course) or bury him in the minor leagues.  It is really not a concern at all for at least 20 of the teams in the NHL.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 11:06 PM

No they don't.  They can loan him to the KHL (with his consent, of course) or bury him in the minor leagues.  It is really not a concern at all for at least 20 of the teams in the NHL.

They could, but who wants to pay him $800k to be buried in the minors? 


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