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#1 StarDew

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 04:45 PM

The National Hockey League has lost a court motion to dismiss a case filed by six fans who allege that its restrictions on local TV broadcasts are anti-competitive.
The case is expected to proceed to trial early in 2015. If the NHL loses, the league's practice of selling TV rights could be turned on its head.


 
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Posted 08 August 2014 - 04:49 PM

If the NHL loses this, it means Devils games can air in South Jersey.
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Posted 08 August 2014 - 10:23 PM

If the NHL loses this, it means Devils games can air in South Jersey.

not airing devils games in south jersey is ridiculous its the states team..Also has to be negative to the devils in every way imaginable and is why just about everyone in south jersey are flyer fans.
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Posted 08 August 2014 - 10:35 PM

If the NHL loses this, it means Devils games can air in South Jersey.

Which would be a pretty significant first step in eradicating the Flyers hold on the area.
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Posted 09 August 2014 - 08:03 AM

Which would be a pretty significant first step in eradicating the Flyers hold on the area.

Exactly.
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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:32 AM

If the NHL loses this, it means Devils games can air in South Jersey.

Yes, but it would require the cable/satellite companies in South Jersey to pay for the rights.  They will only do so if it can be profitable for them.  They need enough of a demand for Devils games and the right price.  When I moved to Long Island and got cable in 1986, we had WSBK from Boston and was able to get some Bruins/Celtics games.  Don't remember if it was blacked out when they played a local team. 

 

What this can really help is ending the local blackouts on Center Ice and Game Center Live.  Especially for those living in what I call the dead-zones.  You are too far away to get the team you want on regular cable/satellite subscriptions and too close to get the games on Center Ice/Game Center Live.  There are parts of Upstate NY, and Connecticut that get hit with this for the Rangers, Isles, and Devils.  Not sure on the cut-offs in Jersey.


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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:39 AM

Which would be a pretty significant first step in eradicating the Flyers hold on the area.

Depends on which parts of South Jersey you are referring.  For the towns that are closer to Philly, it won't.  For the towns that are basically equidistant, it could.


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Posted 09 August 2014 - 12:19 PM

Depends on which parts of South Jersey you are referring. For the towns that are closer to Philly, it won't. For the towns that are basically equidistant, it could.


Ya I have to agree with this. There are always gonna be some fans that will make the commute but it's always gonna be a majority of Flyers fans down there just because of how close they are to the Philly arenas. Why drive 90 mins each way when you can drive less then 90 mins round trip to Philly. It's just not ideal, especially for people who get out of work around 5 or have kids that need to go to school the next day.
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Posted 09 August 2014 - 01:42 PM

If they get the games on TV somehow down there, the Devils could market to that area with billboards that say: 'Why be a Flyers fan... When you can be a fan of the team that always beats them'. :P

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 02:11 PM

If they get the games on TV somehow down there, the Devils could market to that area with billboards that say: 'Why be a Flyers fan... When you can be a fan of the team that always beats them'. :P

LOL good idea!
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Posted 09 August 2014 - 02:19 PM

Yes, but it would require the cable/satellite companies in South Jersey to pay for the rights.  They will only do so if it can be profitable for them.  They need enough of a demand for Devils games and the right price.  When I moved to Long Island and got cable in 1986, we had WSBK from Boston and was able to get some Bruins/Celtics games.  Don't remember if it was blacked out when they played a local team. 

 

What this can really help is ending the local blackouts on Center Ice and Game Center Live.  Especially for those living in what I call the dead-zones.  You are too far away to get the team you want on regular cable/satellite subscriptions and too close to get the games on Center Ice/Game Center Live.  There are parts of Upstate NY, and Connecticut that get hit with this for the Rangers, Isles, and Devils.  Not sure on the cut-offs in Jersey.

 

What I think it means, is that it would require the cable companies in those areas to want to add MSG network to its cable packages, rather than the Devils as such, especially since the Devils have an agreement with MSG to air their games.  So people in South Jersey would be seeing Rangers, Islanders and Devils games, if a Southern Jersey  cable company wants MSG.  If that's the case, it's a lot more plausible that games Devils games will become available in South Jersey. 

 

EDIT:  If the ruling holds, it would also very likely mean that you could get Devils games on regular cable in Southern Florida so long as the Devils are on MSG network.  A lot of Ranger fans in Southern Florida that would probably pay for a package that includes MSG network, which would include the Devils and Islanders.  You could apply it to many other markets as well.

 

So when you think about it, this might be the one instance where a Devils fan might be saying "Let's kind of go Rangers"


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Posted 10 August 2014 - 09:27 AM

would be nice i the practice of blacking out sports telecasts would end. not every game is going to be a sell out, some people just can't get to games but still want to watch their team. NFL doesn't have that problem, especially around here because the Giants and Jets have been sold out for decades, I've never seen a Devils game blacked out before in 20 years watching but since we don't sell out every game it could be possible and that would suck


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 09:16 AM

Would be nice to see some Devils games down here with Devils announcers. Watching the Devs-Flyers with Jim Jackson calling the game is absolutely horrible, and I know the guy lol


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 10:01 AM

Would be nice to see some Devils games down here with Devils announcers. Watching the Devs-Flyers with Jim Jackson calling the game is absolutely horrible, and I know the guy lol

I could've sworn someone on here said they live next door to Jim Jackson. Was that you jim?
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Posted 11 August 2014 - 10:44 AM

Yes, but it would require the cable/satellite companies in South Jersey to pay for the rights.  They will only do so if it can be profitable for them.  They need enough of a demand for Devils games and the right price.  When I moved to Long Island and got cable in 1986, we had WSBK from Boston and was able to get some Bruins/Celtics games.  Don't remember if it was blacked out when they played a local team. 

 

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wouldn't you be able to get around this by using a VPN? The local blackouts i mean if you watch online?


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 12:32 PM

I could've sworn someone on here said they live next door to Jim Jackson. Was that you jim?

 

Maybe, but I don't actually live next door to him. My back yard and his are right up against each other. Our wives are tighter than we are, the kids played ice hockey together for a while.


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 02:39 PM

I didn't read the article fully, but I'm curious what teams these six people follow? Sounds like a major issue regarding a team like the Devils, maybe the Sabres too? Curious about Detroit/Chicago/Minnesota area too.


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 03:27 PM

Maybe, but I don't actually live next door to him. My back yard and his are right up against each other. Our wives are tighter than we are, the kids played ice hockey together for a while.

Gotcha. I knew someone said they lived near him lol.
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Posted 11 August 2014 - 03:41 PM

I didn't read the article fully, but I'm curious what teams these six people follow? Sounds like a major issue regarding a team like the Devils, maybe the Sabres too? Curious about Detroit/Chicago/Minnesota area too.

 

So far as the broader implications of the case, who the plaintiffs in the case follow probably doesn't matter.  As I understand it, they're challenging a league-wide policy that forbids teams from selling TV rights outside of their territory.  A fan that wants to watch an out-of-market team has to bring the suit as a procedural matter.  So if the plaintiffs here ultimately win, it's possible that there would be an injunction that prevents the league from enforcing the restriction in its entirety, which would mean that, for example, MSG could attempt to sell its NHL packages in other markets, regardless of whether one of the plaintiffs in the case is a Ranger, Devils, Islanders or Sabres fan. 

 

EDIT:  The case is also being brought as a class action, which is a further indication that the particular teams the lead plaintiffs root for are probably irrelevant.


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 04:02 PM

So far as the broader implications of the case, who the plaintiffs in the case follow probably doesn't matter.  As I understand it, they're challenging a league-wide policy that forbids teams from selling TV rights outside of their territory.  A fan that wants to watch an out-of-market team has to bring the suit as a procedural matter.  So if the plaintiffs here ultimately win, it's possible that there would be an injunction that prevents the league from enforcing the restriction in its entirety, which would mean that, for example, MSG could attempt to sell its NHL packages in other markets, regardless of whether one of the plaintiffs in the case is a Ranger, Devils, Islanders or Sabres fan. 

 

EDIT:  The case is also being brought as a class action, which is a further indication that the particular teams the lead plaintiffs root for are probably irrelevant.

 

Yeah I know, but I'm just curious. A ruling like this would make a huge difference to a few teams with some very noticeable "territory" issues; just curious who's involved.

 

You'll see a lot of lucrative TV deals down South being made related to teams/broadcasts like New York, Toronto, and Montreal. It'd especially benefit an area like New Jersey and Buffalo/Toronto, where I believe there is a big overlap in fanbase allegiances. I'm curious how Anaheim/LA/San Jose are set up too, and especially Detroit/Chicago/Minnesota.


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