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#21 Chuck the Duck

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 02:50 PM

yea i guess im a piece of sh!t because im speaking the truth.. newark for the most part is a dump, theres not even any debating it so get over yourself... and if the arena wasnt built there its pretty agreed upon that a lot more people would be attending games..people dont want to go to a sh!t hole to see a hockey game and they built their arena in a city that is mostly populated with blacks, who again are not interested in hockey(most anyway)(and now im sure someone will come along and say thats racist because everyone is a fvcking al sharpton today but its not racist to say majority of blacks are not interested in hockey just go to a game and tell me who is there its a factual statement)..there was just a discussion about this on facebook with all of your average fans.. but that you come along and say watch the games from home which is exactly what the team does NOT want.. how are they going to make any money if people are watching from home? maybe you should open up a god damn book

 

I don't necessarily disagree that Newark is a dump.  Other than the Ironbound, the rest of the city needs major investment - not to mention the crime in that city.  However, the arena being in Newark hasn't depressed attendance at all.  Our attendance at the CAA wasn't that great before we left for Newark.  While some from Bergen County will complain that they don't go to as many games as when they were at the CAA, others (myself included) picked up season tickets rather than going to 5-10 games per year because of the convenience of getting to/from the games.  We've debated this before, but Newark was the best place to put this arena.  The Meadowlands is good for tailgating, and nothing else (no viable mass transit options whatsoever), and Hoboken or New Brunswick are DISASTERS to get to on a regular night, let alone when 18,000 people in cars are trying to navigate their tiny streets to get to a game. 

 

IMO the problem isn't the arena or its location.  Rather, it is a combination of factors such as a relatively young and small fanbase, high costs of attending a game, a crowded professional sports marketplace all competiting for the same $$$'s, etc. 


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Posted 18 August 2014 - 03:17 PM

It's a dumpy, ugly, crime riddled wasteland.

 

But the area that Devils fans need to access on a regular bases. The arena...the small little circle in and around the arena with a few bars and restaurants is relatively safe and secure. So that's fine. Nobody asks you to go any further than that. And if you do you're asking for trouble.

 

Hoboken is too small and not an automotive city.

 

Wouldn't have minded them staying at the meadowlands if they ever finished that god damn mall project. They have a train line out there now so Devils fans who commute to NYC could make it. If only they build that area up a bit more with some pre and post game entertainment venues. Like Xfinity outside the Philly venues.


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 10:08 AM

It's a dumpy, ugly, crime riddled wasteland.

 

But the area that Devils fans need to access on a regular bases. The arena...the small little circle in and around the arena with a few bars and restaurants is relatively safe and secure. So that's fine. Nobody asks you to go any further than that. And if you do you're asking for trouble.

 

Hoboken is too small and not an automotive city.

 

Wouldn't have minded them staying at the meadowlands if they ever finished that god damn mall project. They have a train line out there now so Devils fans who commute to NYC could make it. If only they build that area up a bit more with some pre and post game entertainment venues. Like Xfinity outside the Philly venues.

 

This is 100% spot on with how Newark is.  Outside the bubble of the immediate area outside the Arena and a few blocks away, it is a wasteland.

 

I just wish some entertainment came around the area as well like the Xfinity as you mentioned in Philly.  That Championship plaza has been a complete waste and those "fan-fests" they have are a complete bore.  I really wonder if the new owners will try to turn that plaza into something special and upgrade the fan fest as I really dont want to pay for arena-priced beers, hear a sh!tty coverband, or play street hockey with 10 year olds.


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 10:37 AM

This is 100% spot on with how Newark is. Outside the bubble of the immediate area outside the Arena and a few blocks away, it is a wasteland.

I just wish some entertainment came around the area as well like the Xfinity as you mentioned in Philly. That Championship plaza has been a complete waste and those "fan-fests" they have are a complete bore. I really wonder if the new owners will try to turn that plaza into something special and upgrade the fan fest as I really dont want to pay for arena-priced beers, hear a sh!tty coverband, or play street hockey with 10 year olds.

Agreed 100%. They could do so much more with Championship Plaza. The fan fests suck.
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 12:45 PM

This is 100% spot on with how Newark is.  Outside the bubble of the immediate area outside the Arena and a few blocks away, it is a wasteland.

 

I just wish some entertainment came around the area as well like the Xfinity as you mentioned in Philly.  That Championship plaza has been a complete waste and those "fan-fests" they have are a complete bore.  I really wonder if the new owners will try to turn that plaza into something special and upgrade the fan fest as I really dont want to pay for arena-priced beers, hear a sh!tty coverband, or play street hockey with 10 year olds.

 

Unfortunately, it's just not worth the expense to build an Xfinity type place or anything close to it at the Rock, even assuming the real estate could be made available.  There are just not enough people would want to go there, much less be in the area to go there in the first place.

 

Newark's gone and it's never coming back.  There are still plenty of areas that can be gentrified in places that are already experiencing it that are closer to Manhattan, which is what really drives it.  Still, I'm fine with the Rock and the immediate area around it just as it is.  Maybe if they build another decent hotel in the area it might be enough to get a few more decent bars or restaurants to open around it, but that's pretty dicey. 


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Posted 22 August 2014 - 08:57 PM

Newark a wasteland??? I worked the past 3 weeks in Camden painting one of the water towers, and that place it is just fvcked up.. Midday half of the store are closed, at least one in three houses are either burned or abandoned. 

 

Newark still has potential, but they have to come out with something creaative to stand out.


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Posted 23 August 2014 - 11:56 AM

the problem with newark is the trash population that resides there, the area can only be cleaned up so much where does all of the garbage flee to? Newark is what it is, theres only so much you can do with an area, newark is just one of those dumpy areas
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Posted 26 August 2014 - 03:16 PM

EAH is still there but they close often on non-event nights. Also saw they instituted a new rule where before and after events the bar area you are only allowed to drink and no food orders will be taken. This sucks as about 1-3 times a year either myself or me and a buddy of mine like to sit at the bar at around 4ish, order food and beer and leave around 5:30. Now we cant do that.

Dinosaur is still there. That might be my new place now. Loft is still there and so is HK's. Monk room a block or 2 south of the arena sounds good as it opened back in March or April. It's a pizza and craft beer bar and the prices seem decent. They also opened up Chipotle next to Dinosaur and apparently building a Mercato's (sp?) Tomato Pie next to that. They also have that Indigo hotel around the corner from the arena on Broad St that is supposed to have a bar/lounge on the ground floor and a rooftop bar. You also have to include Joe's Crab Shack at the Marriott and from what I hear another burger place is going into the old Uber burger spot but haven't heard much going on there.


Monk had a 2 beers for 5 deal of you wore Devils gear. They had a good assortment of beers too. I hope they do that again this year and that will be my go to spot if they do.
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Posted 15 September 2014 - 12:18 PM

Giving the new owners credit when it is due. They actually invested/lent to the Indigo project so that it could finally get finished. I think what Hanini/Fidelco are doing with Rock Plaza combined what RBH group is dong with four corners and teachers village will allow for an expanded entertainment group that connects the NJPAC with the colleges with the Arena district. The issue is that the rest of the city outside of the Ironbound is severely economically depressed and isn't going to change anytime soon. As a resident of the city's Ironbound section I have been happy to see the shift but I also realized the crazies on the other side of the city live in garbage and that isn't going to change in this generation but that won't hurt the development of downtown because they need the money to support their slums.


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Posted 07 November 2014 - 11:40 AM

I've never spent any real time in Newark, but being from Trenton I am leery of the suburban crowed of naysayers of claim that all of Newark is a dump, all the people are sh!t, etc. Until about 6-7 years ago the crime in Trenton was never as bad as the reputation, but to hear peeps in the suburbs talk you would have been taking your life in your hands venturing too close to the city. I had friends who wouldn't come to my home even though there had been no violent crime in my neighborhood in years (decades?) whereas where they lived had recent murders. It didn't matter to them: they were told they were in a safe area and Trenton was dangerous. Eventually the reputation took its toll and has badly undermined the city, although Mack helped that along nicely.

Now compare Trenton and Newark to Atlanta. If you go to Atlanta the city looks lovely, clean, etc. It looks much nicer than our dirty NJ cities. And yet the likelihood of having someone mug you, rape you, carjack you, or just shoot you are all MUCH higher. But I guess some people prefer to have pretty scenery while getting shot in the head. As for me, I'd rather be safe with grime than be a corpse somewhere that's all pertied up. It is just lipstick on a pig. That said, maybe if we changed our attitudes toward our cities here in NJ than maybe they'd become places of pride once again. Once upon a time Trenton Central HS was the best public HS in the nation. That's a laughable concept today.

EDIT: as to. Those who feel that Newark, Trenton, and even Camden cannot come back I would say that this is entirely dependent on future events. For example, if the cost of gas were to rise suddenly, or mass transit become dominant, then I assure you the cities here would dominate again. The fact is we have adopted policies in the USA that destroys cities. We are one of the few nations that allow this to happen, but we do. However, times change. It may be ten years, it may be a century, but there will be a time when the pendulum swings again. And it will probably swing back as well. That's life.

Owell, rant over, back to your regularly scheduled hockey....

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 10:41 PM

only a few uber-PC people are drinking the "Newark is a virbrant city" kool-aid.

Yea, uber-PC people, and those of us who spend our time in urban studies and community planning academia. If you want to see a sh!thole, take a ride around the "downtown" of whatever hell suburb you come from.


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Posted 20 November 2014 - 10:58 PM

Yea, uber-PC people, and those of us who spend our time in urban studies and community planning academia. If you want to see a sh!thole, take a ride around the "downtown" of whatever hell suburb you come from.

Lol urban studies where blighted communities are being blamed on everything and everyone but the people living in such communities. I can't imagine any town in somerset county being worse than newark, but continue the kool-aid drinking

Soon enough you will realize at least half the stuff you lean in college is nothing but PC bullsh!t. It will take a few years but soon enough you will see the light and agree with me.

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 10:11 AM

Yea, uber-PC people, and those of us who spend our time in urban studies and community planning academia. If you want to see a sh!thole, take a ride around the "downtown" of whatever hell suburb you come from.

Why do you think we, or our parents and grandparents who moved there, are in the suburbs? It's to escape "vibrant diversity."


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Posted 22 November 2014 - 12:39 AM

I've been to Newark once, and at the risk of being offensive, I did find it quite ugly. But the people we ran into were all friendly. We were tourists from Canada though, so maybe they assumed we were stupid and were trying to be nice, not sure.

 

The friendliest/unfriendliest debates are fun, but ultimately so subjective.

 

I'm sure if you went into a bar in Quebec City and started speaking English you wouldn't get the most friendly reception, same as if you walked into a place in Southern Ontario and started speaking French. You guys probably have similar dynamics down there. As long as you aren't noticeably different wherever you travel and aren't a total ass you'll probably find most people are fairly friendly. 


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