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#21 Mayday

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 10:37 AM


 

 


 

Are you serious?  I hope that's sarcasm.  We already had an incredibly stupid thread about him coming back.  You're playing right into the media's hand when you bring up him coming back and try to make a discussion out of it.  They want you to never forget that we lost an elite scorer(Whose best games are likely behind him).  You're reading too much into it and I have no clue where you get that Lou wants him back. 

Also I don't think this is Harris saying Lou's done if no playoffs this year. 

 

Some people on this board need to take a long look at how they interpret and analyze things. 

 

I was being completely serious. I do think bringing back Kovalchuk is a possibility and if he can, which he will, help us in 5 years I don't think Lou would mind bringing him back. If you read Lou's comments basically admits right now its impossible but "hey in 5 years it would a viable option potientally"


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 11:31 AM

I was being completely serious. I do think bringing back Kovalchuk is a possibility and if he can, which he will, help us in 5 years I don't think Lou would mind bringing him back. If you read Lou's comments basically admits right now its impossible but "hey in 5 years it would a viable option potientally"

 

What Lou said is not that.  He said he is not even considering something that will happen at that time.  Might he consider it then?  Maybe, if he's still around.  I don't think Kovalchuk is a help now, much less when he's 35, but hey.


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 01:24 PM

If you're still pissed about the stupid fvcking goal song (and really- WHO THE fvck CARES????)or any of the other stuff the new owners did in the beginning, get the fvck over it already. Holy sh!t, some people only exist to complain, the internet proves it to me every day...

 

Who said I havent gotten over the woeful PR moves they exhibited when they first came in? And so what if I havent either? They have lots of money...great. Thank god they took over when they did. That doesnt mean I have to like the approach they have taken on certain things, or 'get over anything'. Dont go on an internet binge, and then apply that displeasure to how I am allowed to feel towards the owners, or whether or not there is an official statute of limitations on how i can or cant feel about their recent actions. And yes, the internet is full of people making complaints..glad your original theory is still enlightening you every day even though the rest of the world has known this since its advent.


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 01:30 PM

I was being completely serious. I do think bringing back Kovalchuk is a possibility and if he can, which he will, help us in 5 years I don't think Lou would mind bringing him back. If you read Lou's comments basically admits right now its impossible but "hey in 5 years it would a viable option potientally"

 

As I understand how it works, there are a few problems with this scenario.  One option is that he can come back immediately with approval of all owners, which is not happening.  Otherwise, he can come back without approval if he isn't playing hockey anywhere for a year.  While no one knows exactly how Kovy's KHL contract works, he would be leaving a lot of money on the table in all likeilhood.  After five years, I believe he becomes a UFA for NHL purposes.  How good he is by then is anyone's guess.

 

The other thing that complicates the whole thing is that the NHL by-laws (and not the CBA) govern how a "retired" player can return.  The by-laws provide that the Commissioner is ultimately the final arbiter of how they're to be interpreted.  This could work to the Devils' advantage (assuming they want Kovy back) if Bettman wants to be a "nice guy", but it's much more likely he'll take a hard line.  This could definitely come into play when deciding what it means for Kovy to have not been playing hockey for one year.  If he's injured, doesn't play in any games, but is still getting paid, it's essentially Bettman's call whether approval of all other owners is needed. 

 

I think there was kernel of truth to the Kovy returning rumors.  My guess is that his camp put out feelers to Lou, Harris and the league about what it would take and how much the rules could be bent.  In the end, someone who could put the kibosh on it told him to pound sand, or at least told him he has to not play for one year.  But the bottom line is that Kovy will only be wearing a Devils jersey again in his man cave.


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 04:29 PM

I don't think a lot of players would start taking 5 yr "retirements" in russia and come back. 

 

It would happen for 2 reasons...one a player is just incredibly greedy money wise or two like in Kovys case he is in fact Russian.

 

The way Lou worded it makes me feel like he would certainly be for bringing Kovalchuk back in the future.

 

? is there any doubt that Lou wouldnt want to bring him back? Kovy was a Devils... and left.... of course Lou would bring him back once he's older. thats his obsession haha


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 06:28 PM

People are seeing what they want to see in Lou's words.  He gave no indication of either bitterness or willingness to re-sign Kovalchuk.


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 07:33 PM

? is there any doubt that Lou wouldnt want to bring him back? Kovy was a Devils... and left.... of course Lou would bring him back once he's older. thats his obsession haha

Wait, that obsession that he played on in this offseason?  No...can't be, we brought in Cammalleri and Havlat, not former Devils.  Maybe it was just LAST summer, right? That has to be it.....Wait....no...It was Ryder, Olesz, Brunner, and Clowe.  MAYBE Ruutu!?  sh!t, not him either.  WAIT, Lou will definitely sign Brian Gionta to unite the Gionta brothers!  Dammit, I guess that didn't happen either.  I guess that obsession is going strong with plenty of hard, recent evidence to back it up.  :rolleyes:

 



 


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 07:48 PM

Wait, that obsession that he played on in this offseason? No...can't be, we brought in Cammalleri and Havlat, not former Devils. Maybe it was just LAST summer, right? That has to be it.....Wait....no...It was Ryder, Olesz, Brunner, and Clowe. MAYBE Ruutu!? sh!t, not him either. WAIT, Lou will definitely sign Brian Gionta to unite the Gionta brothers! Dammit, I guess that didn't happen either. I guess that obsession is going strong with plenty of hard, recent evidence to back it up. :rolleyes:

Scott Clemmenson was brought back though in fairness.

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 07:56 PM

I don't read minds, I read words.

Never said I wanted JVB back. Thankfully the new owners have plenty cash to make up for their disappointing attitude towards the fans.

You read words??!?  Dude, like 2-5 people quoted WORDS directly fom the article that I'm pretty sure Harris and Lou said.  In fact, my first post in the thread is filled with words too.  Check it out. :thumbsup:   I feel like I took a wrong turn somewhere and ended up on fvcking Sesame Street. 

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 07:58 PM

Scott Clemmenson was brought back though in fairness.

Dammit! lol

Yes, Clemmer was brought back, but how likely is it that he even makes the team??  It's kind of like saying, hey we brought back Cam Janssen again!


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 08:54 PM

Dammit! lol
Yes, Clemmer was brought back, but how likely is it that he even makes the team??  It's kind of like saying, hey we brought back Cam Janssen again!

i see it as Kinkaid's time to shine and think he'll fill in admirably as backup this season. Doubt Clemmenson gets a callup to NJ unless its injury related.
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Posted 17 August 2014 - 03:17 AM

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 08:44 AM

 

Wait, that obsession that he played on in this offseason?  No...can't be, we brought in Cammalleri and Havlat, not former Devils.  Maybe it was just LAST summer, right? That has to be it.....Wait....no...It was Ryder, Olesz, Brunner, and Clowe.  MAYBE Ruutu!?  sh!t, not him either.  WAIT, Lou will definitely sign Brian Gionta to unite the Gionta brothers!  Dammit, I guess that didn't happen either.  I guess that obsession is going strong with plenty of hard, recent evidence to back it up.  :rolleyes:

 



 

 

Clemmenson... wow uh... that's quite a very sarcastic post shut down by one word.


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Posted 17 August 2014 - 09:15 AM

Clemmenson... wow uh... that's quite a very sarcastic post shut down by one word.

Notice how I said sarcastically, PLENTY OF RECENT EVIDENCE.  I guess my counter-point to your post is now invalid.  Clemmenson is one signing within two years.  I guess one signing that fits your argument is all you need man.  Wow is right.  I like how you defended you're argument with plenty of evidence of recent instances to back up your stupid jab at Lou.  You used the word "obsession".  Obsession to me would mean it happens every year or very often.  It's not an obsession and you're just looking to take every little stupid jab you can because you think it's funny. 

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 10:49 AM

as far as bettman goes on riding a hard line if and more likely when kovalchuk comes back... you would have to think that he would be willing to get kovy back in the nhl with open arms. kovy is a top player in the league and he dipped to go to another league.. people like watching him you want the nhl to have all of the top talent right? so im pretty sure he would be more willing to have him come back.. as far as lou goes, kovy leaving was just an all arounf great thing. too great of a happening to not have been a mutual agreement which is why i dont understand why people get so upset about it and still a year later.. if you dont realize that then i dont know i guess you just dont understand or see the entire happening of the situation, so with this yes when the timing is right i absolutely think lou will have kovy back if kovy wants to come back.
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Posted 17 August 2014 - 10:58 AM

as far as bettman goes on riding a hard line if and more likely when kovalchuk comes back... you would have to think that he would be willing to get kovy back in the nhl with open arms. kovy is a top player in the league and he dipped to go to another league.. people like watching him you want the nhl to have all of the top talent right? so im pretty sure he would be more willing to have him come back.. as far as lou goes, kovy leaving was just an all arounf great thing. too great of a happening to not have been a mutual agreement which is why i dont understand why people get so upset about it and still a year later.. if you dont realize that then i dont know i guess you just dont understand or see the entire happening of the situation, so with this yes when the timing is right i absolutely think lou will have kovy back if kovy wants to come back.

You're wrong.  Let me quote the article as evidence to why you're wrong.  He said, "You'd never look at someone coming back at 35."  Lou literally dodges every question about Kovalchuk because he's done with him. 

So he's 35, and then has to wait an entire year of not playing, so he's 36 if he were to come back.  It's not happening.  I would agree with you if Kovy pulled his stunt when he was 25 or 26, but he pulled that sh!t when he was 30.
 

 

“I’ll answer that the best way you can. He cannot come back until he is 35. He’s (31) now. You’d never look at someone coming back at 35 when he’s (31),” the GM explained.  - Lou


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Posted 17 August 2014 - 11:23 AM

You're wrong.  Let me quote the article as evidence to why you're wrong.  He said, "You'd never look at someone coming back at 35."  Lou literally dodges every question about Kovalchuk because he's done with him. 
So he's 35, and then has to wait an entire year of not playing, so he's 36 if he were to come back.  It's not happening.  I would agree with you if Kovy pulled his stunt when he was 25 or 26, but he pulled that sh!t when he was 30.

No youre reading too far into a statement.. what are you trying to say that lou would think he is too old at the age of 35?.. obviously age is not a factor with lou look at the types he signs theyre all older players..our team is made up of mostly older players. ...youre reading too far into it..he probably more so means that it is years away still and is too far down the road to look into him coming back anytime soon.
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Posted 17 August 2014 - 11:42 AM

You're wrong.  Let me quote the article as evidence to why you're wrong.  He said, "You'd never look at someone coming back at 35."  Lou literally dodges every question about Kovalchuk because he's done with him. 

So he's 35, and then has to wait an entire year of not playing, so he's 36 if he were to come back.  It's not happening.  I would agree with you if Kovy pulled his stunt when he was 25 or 26, but he pulled that sh!t when he was 30.
 

 

That's not how it would work.  Kovalchuk would not have to sit out a year to return at age 35.  The point is very simply that Lou is not looking at that at all right now, because he has to run a hockey team in 2014.


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Posted 17 August 2014 - 04:41 PM

This is the same guy who fired 2 GMs on the Sixers in 2 years. Talk is cheap. It's a business, and if you don't produce good results(which they haven't recently) changes are likely to be made.

He fired two Sixers GMs because they were both idiots who made stupid moves and ran the team into the ground. What I read was "I don't fire GMs just because the team isn't winning", not "I don't ever fire GMs". Trade two future starters for a guy who will never play a minute for your team, you might lose your job. I don't understand what the connection is between the situation in Philadelphia and these statements.


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Posted 18 August 2014 - 07:26 AM

Notice how I said sarcastically, PLENTY OF RECENT EVIDENCE.  I guess my counter-point to your post is now invalid.  Clemmenson is one signing within two years.  I guess one signing that fits your argument is all you need man.  Wow is right.  I like how you defended you're argument with plenty of evidence of recent instances to back up your stupid jab at Lou.  You used the word "obsession".  Obsession to me would mean it happens every year or very often.  It's not an obsession and you're just looking to take every little stupid jab you can because you think it's funny. 

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dude. it's joked about frequently here that Lou likes to bring in old over the hill devils at trade dealine or free agency. He does it more than any other GM that i can think about. It's been discussed quiiiiiite often, is it 100% certain he'll do it every summer or something? of course not. But he does it often enough that we can have fun with it. So calm down it was only a joke

 

Look at you going, all defensive bringing in numbers and all. You take things WAY too seriously bud.

 

you want numbers? he brought back sykora, arnott, sullivan, clemmenson, Rolston, Janssen just in recent years. So don't act as if what I said and that others are joking about is like.... an incredible made up lie

 

 

 


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