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#21 DevilMinder

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Posted 10 November 2002 - 11:53 PM

:blink: Wow! Could the Avs bad start be taking some of the rose coloring out of the glasses at ESPN?
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Posted 10 November 2002 - 11:54 PM

Or just hypnotize him again.
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Posted 10 November 2002 - 11:54 PM

Heh. Heh.
ESPN plans to air Engblom's public apology sometime tomorrow on Sportscenter.
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Posted 10 November 2002 - 11:56 PM

The hurry-up face-off is hurting the Avs for 2 reasons, first they always liked to mill around, see who was out there & set up the play (apparently that was a big part of Hartley's strategy). And second, they would delay & delay to get their top guys some rest and they could have extra-long shifts. Now they have to go to the bench & get some rest like regular humans. Apparently, not only does it cut down on their ice time, but it hurts their flow (somehow I can't work up much sympathy here).
Then there's the clutching & grabbing...Engblom actually ADMITTED that the Avs did it as much as anyone else (that's right, head to your bomb shelters, the apocalyspe IS near). He claims the d-men got lazy & stopped doing things like reading the plays because the opposition was slowed down in the nuetral zone. So now they have to get used to doing it again and, (poor babies) the forwards aren't coming back to support them.
In case I didn't mention it before, I have no sympathy for these guys. Welcome to the brave new NHL - do your friggin' job, Blake & Co.


Oh this is too funny for words :lol:

The Rangers, Leafs AND Avs all struggling...and the Devils still at 8-4. Doesn't get much better than that at this point in the season :)
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Posted 11 November 2002 - 12:37 AM

:blink: Wow! Could the Avs bad start be taking some of the rose coloring out of the glasses at ESPN?

Oh no...at least when I listened they were saying "WOW! that Nashville is a fast team" Like it was supposed to be a decent match up or something - maybe it was just my selective listening... The Avs looked baaad. Maybe they're just tired from playing too long in the playoffs two years in a row :P
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Posted 11 November 2002 - 10:52 AM

Maybe they're just tired from playing too long in the playoffs two years in a row :P

like the Devils?
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Posted 11 November 2002 - 11:27 AM

They don't have a story this year, if they did, ESPN would be up their ass.

00/01 - Ray Bourque

01/02- Defending Champs/Forsberg's Return

02/03 - ???
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Posted 11 November 2002 - 12:30 PM

Maybe they're just tired from playing too long in the playoffs two years in a row   :P

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Posted 11 November 2002 - 12:31 PM

They don't have a story this year, if they did, ESPN would be up their ass.

00/01 - Ray Bourque

01/02- Defending Champs/Forsberg's Return

02/03 - ???

They were trying for the trying to re-gain the cup like the Devils used last year... :rolleyes:
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Posted 11 November 2002 - 12:38 PM

ESPN is probably bitter that they won't get to show the 89 Little League World Series clips anymore, now that Chris Drury has been banished to the Northern Wastes.

I'm really going to miss them.
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Posted 11 November 2002 - 01:06 PM

I was so busy being happy about it, that I didn't even consider the reasons for it.

OK, so right now you've got Forsberg struggling. I don't think he's scored in a few games (but I'm not tied to the stats, so please don't shoot me if I'm wrong).
Do you think the Avs fans are calling for Foppa to be traded like some Devils fans are through minimal games this year re: Elias or Nieds?

I think we're WAY too quick to jump on guys who are struggling. Esp. when other parts of their game ARE working.
Yes, we need Elias to score. And we'd love Nieds to score. Obviously, they know it, we know it, the guys who sweep up at CAA know it.
But I'm not willing to give up key pieces of our unit, because of struggling. Right now, I'd say it's up to Burns to help the guys out who are struggling. As the coach, you figure out how to best work with your players (some want coddling, some need tough talk, some need -- hell I don't know I'm not the coach) and then you get the most out of them.

We have a LOT of talent on this team. We have talent on our team capable of doing things that guys in the league aren't. And while it's not showing it offensively, it is showing defensively (I'll just call Edmonton an aberration for the moment).
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Posted 11 November 2002 - 01:29 PM

The hurry-up face-off is hurting the Avs for 2 reasons, first they always liked to mill around, see who was out there & set up the play (apparently that was a big part of Hartley's strategy). And second, they would delay & delay to get their top guys some rest and they could have extra-long shifts.


Yeah, I heard someone call this the "Bob Hartley rule" cause he's infamous for that.
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Posted 11 November 2002 - 02:09 PM

4 wins
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4 ties
40 GA
40 GF

You have to give them credit for being consistent.
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Posted 11 November 2002 - 02:27 PM

I think DM said it best. They can't clutch and grab anymore.

That's what they get for trading away Chris Drury. He's a clutch player and is already proving that in Calgary.
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Posted 11 November 2002 - 03:50 PM

He's right, it's all Chris Drury.. that's why they've given up 40 goals in 12 games..

There is so much more at work than losing a 25 goal forward.
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Posted 11 November 2002 - 03:54 PM

He's right, it's all Chris Drury.. that's why they've given up 40 goals in 12 games..

There is so much more at work than losing a 25 goal forward.

Wait a sec, I thought Morris would provide Colorado with one of the best defenses in the league... :rolleyes:
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Posted 11 November 2002 - 04:06 PM

Beyond Morris Foote and Blake there is nothing. No way DeVries repeats, and Skoula hasnt played well at all since being a rookie. No depth at d, add in scoring woes, and its not too hard to see why they are doint hot.
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Posted 11 November 2002 - 04:07 PM

If Engblom is right, and the forwards aren't helping on defense, they're in a lot more trouble.

Plus, none of the Avs defensemen are particularly fast.. Blake, Morris, and Skoula have better than average speed, but Foote, DeVries, and Muir are not particularly quick. Especially Muir and DeVries.

Methinks the Avs might've traded away Drury too quickly, but it's more likely that they've just made too many changes since the Cup year..

Getting Morris was the right move. Everyone will begin to question it, but the ones that are are the standard practioners of fallacious logic.. i.e. the media. If any of them put thought into their work instead of looking for simple causes.. well, this is a problem all over, so I'll cut this rant short.
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Posted 11 November 2002 - 04:13 PM

Is it possible that ESPN overrated Morris?????
Nahhhhh...couldn't be. :evil:

Seriously, though, people were saying that the enforcement of the obstruction rules was going to be a real problem for Foote. Looks like they were right, what I don't think people expected was that Blake would have issues as well.
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Posted 11 November 2002 - 04:18 PM

Why would ESPN overrate Morris?

The guy has played in Calgary for his whole career. I think every year ESPN forgets they're a team until Colorado plays them.

Morris is going to be a #1 defenseman in this league and he is talented on both sides of the puck.
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