He will. He HAS TO.Bettman can't compromise and get the cap to $46 million???? Give me a break.
NHL SEASON OFFICIALLY CANCELLED
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 06:40 AM
He will. He HAS TO.Bettman can't compromise and get the cap to $46 million???? Give me a break.
Tell that to the 23 owners that would have to agree to a deal. If it were just up to Bettman that would be one thing, remember his offer is the max of what won't get voted down by eight teams. There is no more room for negotiation at this point and the players have to recognize that. Winning the PR war isn't enough they'll destroy the sport if they don't just get off this $50+ million soft cap nonsense.
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 07:23 AM
im still not sure what to think, less than 6 hours until we find out *bangs head against wall*
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 07:27 AM
It will get done, I would be shocked if it didn't
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 07:39 AM
I do not think that Bettman will not make another offer.
When he said final, he meant final.
At 11:05, we will know the answer.
When he said final, he meant final.
At 11:05, we will know the answer.
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 08:05 AM
I do not think that Bettman will not make another offer.
When he said final, he meant final.
At 11:05, we will know the answer.
He also said there had to be a link between revs & payroll.... unitl he decided to drop that on monday....
At this point they are so close I think its a PR nightmare for BOTH sides if they donot get something done...
Most of us had come togri[ps with the fact that the season was over... then all this crap the last 48 hours have given us more hope hen we have had since July.... they blow this now... alot of people are going to be PISSED!!!
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 08:19 AM
Well I think all along the buzz-word was for certainty, and the cap provides for that. Of course, the cap alone is not as certain as a "cap with linkage" but I do not see that the NHL is giving up that much by dropping the linkage issue.
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 08:24 AM
I'mnot so sure... the NHL has no idea how the corp sponsors will react, how the corp season ticket holders will react, how the non fanatical fans will react....
TV contract alone is not enough for the NHL.... in the long run I think the cap will do it job but this season and next could be tough on the owner....at 42 mil or 49 mil....
TV contract alone is not enough for the NHL.... in the long run I think the cap will do it job but this season and next could be tough on the owner....at 42 mil or 49 mil....
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 08:33 AM
There is a huge gap here. The NHL proposed a $42.5 million hard cap vs. the NHLPA proposal of a $49 million soft cap that could be as much as $53.9 million depending on the circumstances.
If Goodenow was serious about saving the season, he would've come back with a "soft" cap below Bettman's 42.5, and his "circumstantial" cap would've been in the 45 mil range. JMHO
If Goodenow was serious about saving the season, he would've come back with a "soft" cap below Bettman's 42.5, and his "circumstantial" cap would've been in the 45 mil range. JMHO
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 08:38 AM
I agree Liz. Goodenow's offer includes letting teams spend 10% over the cap in several years of the 6 year deal. That is a luxury tax on top of the cap.
The union is nuts. I would be shocked if the NHL negotiates against it's "final" offer.
The union is nuts. I would be shocked if the NHL negotiates against it's "final" offer.
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 08:53 AM
So lets use the NHL's 42 mil cap number and then include the NHLPA's 10% overage with a 150% tax on that overage but make the overage available every year. I really think the sides are too close not to make this happen today considering the rate of giving in both have been going through.
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 09:15 AM
McKenzie's logic is stupid, everyone knows not every team is going to go up to the cap.
He's also a fool for believing that Bettman made his final offer. If that is true, he's an idiot. How can you make a final offer, ever, in negotiation, and expect someone to accept it? Final offers were meant to be broken.
Offer 45 and be done with it. If the PA doesn't accept 45, it's their fault. But the owners can't be stupid here, they can live with losing an extra 2 million a season if that's what it comes down to.
He's also a fool for believing that Bettman made his final offer. If that is true, he's an idiot. How can you make a final offer, ever, in negotiation, and expect someone to accept it? Final offers were meant to be broken.
Offer 45 and be done with it. If the PA doesn't accept 45, it's their fault. But the owners can't be stupid here, they can live with losing an extra 2 million a season if that's what it comes down to.
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 09:17 AM
Offer 45 and be done with it. If the PA doesn't accept 45, it's their fault. But the owners can't be stupid here, they can live with losing an extra 2 million a season if that's what it comes down to.
45 mil, that seems to be the magic number on everyone's mind. Let's hope it's on Bettman's.
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 09:22 AM
There is a huge gap here. The NHL proposed a $42.5 million hard cap vs. the NHLPA proposal of a $49 million soft cap that could be as much as $53.9 million depending on the circumstances.
If Goodenow was serious about saving the season, he would've come back with a "soft" cap below Bettman's 42.5, and his "circumstantial" cap would've been in the 45 mil range. JMHO
Exactly. If the league comes off of their final offer I bet they don't go above 44. I have no problem with them sticking at 42.5 and canceling the season if that is what it takes. I fear that any soft cap or higher number may get us through this year but the problem will be when new contracts come up. The 24% roll back will quickly evaporate.
Contraction won't happen for the reasons people have stated above regarding the owners of those teams. The buy outs of those teams will evaporate any cost savings from the roll-back.
I have an idea, let the PA take over the Pittsburgh team. Let that jackhole Goodenow run a team, negotiate salaries and watch the cash drain from the union's war chest.
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 09:29 AM
The rollback won't evaporate with a cap at 42.5 or 45. That's why it'll work. Guys like Yashin and Guerin getting 9 million will only be getting 7 million, and that's what the elite players will be paid from now on. Remember, there will be 12 teams up against the cap already, and eighteen who probably won't get there. You'll see a lot less long-term deals because teams are going to need room to manuever.
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 09:30 AM
Well, Tri, in all fairness, 7 million will be the elite SALARY... wouldn't exactly consider Yashin anything close to an elite PLAYER. :-)
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 09:36 AM
less than 90 minutes before we find out...
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 09:49 AM
Still say these last minute efforts are just so each side can blame the other over the summer.
The owners do not have to cave. Just like NHL players took AHL jobs, there are plenty of AHL and IHL players who will play in the 'new' NHL. If you don't think so, look at the examples the NFL and MLB set. Players need owners more then the other way around.
The owners do not have to cave. Just like NHL players took AHL jobs, there are plenty of AHL and IHL players who will play in the 'new' NHL. If you don't think so, look at the examples the NFL and MLB set. Players need owners more then the other way around.
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 09:52 AM
SO is this press conference at 10am or 1pm? This morning I was hearing 10am 
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 09:53 AM
Goodenow needs to answer by 11, Gary holds a press conference at 1, I think.
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