SueNJ97 Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Stevens qualifies for a "Performance Bonus" contract. Does that help our salary situation? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, because the bonuses go against the cap, you have to plan your cap situation as if you will pay out the bonuses at maximum, at least at the beginning of the season. Then you can see what happens during the season. But with the new rules, I wonder whether the old bonus clauses in existing contracts are still valid...which might be a reason Madden said his contract was misunderstood, that's all. I HATE HAVING IMPERFECT INFORMATION!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyFan42 Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 TSN's Eastern Conference tracker has Clemmensen in at $450K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwindog Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 (edited) Also who's to say what Brodeurs contract actually consisted of -- if they have Madden's contract wrong then maybe Marty's is as well? And everyone else under than sun for that matter. I mean do the qualifying offers state amounts ? Or do they just say the offer was tendered and everyone just assumes the old reported salary didn't include bonuses etc and so forth... basically what Madden said is the entire estimated payroll is bullsh!t - we're spinning our wheeles here... but since none of us work for the Devils and will have nothing to do with any of this money in any way shape or form we're really just wheel spnning anyhow so what the heck right? Sort of like arguing if there's life after death -- who the hell knows until it's done? Edited August 1, 2005 by Darwindog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwindog Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Sue and I are getting a little testy here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section 110 Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Also who's to say what Brodeurs contract actually consisted of -- if they have Madden's contract wrong then maybe Marty's is as well? And everyone else under than sun for that matter. I mean do the qualifying offers state amounts ? Or do they just say the offer was tendered and everyone just assumes the old reported salary didn't include bonuses etc and so forth... basically what Madden said is the entire estimated payroll is bullsh!t - we're spinning our wheeles here...but since none of us work for the Devils and will have nothing to do with any of this money in any way shape or form we're really just wheel spnning anyhow so what the heck right? Sort of like arguing if there's life after death -- who the hell knows until it's done? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yeah - but it's lots of fun to want to have an edge in understanding all of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SueNJ97 Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Sue and I are getting a little testy here... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> US??? NEVER!!! Well...OK, maybe. But isn't it nice to be getting that way over hockey again??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 what about McAmmond? he was good for the rats last year yet I can't find his contract status anywhere. He would be an OK 3rd/4th liner, one that wouldn't be too expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SueNJ97 Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 You wondered how this lays out for other teams, well, here's what Toronto's situation is. If you want to read the entire article about how they only have about $10 million to sign 7 players I've included the link. Also, they'd want to maintain a little salary flexibility so they wouldn't go all they way up to the cap, so it's really about $7-8 million for 7 players, which gives you an idea of why Roberts and Nieuwy aren't there anymore. But here is the link and then the section of the article which lays out who is under contract and who has been qualified & for how much: http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...l=1044442957278 Scrimping Leafs shortchanged on talent Naslund in T.O.? Don't count on it DAMIEN COX Who's left? If all the unsigned Maple Leafs accept their qualifying offers, Toronto will have 16 players under contract for a total salary of $28.7 million (all figures U.S.). Here's who is in blue and white so far, with 2005-06 salary in parenthesis: GOALIES Ed Belfour ($5.6 million), Mikael Tellqvist ($450,000). DEFENCEMAN Bryan McCabe ($3.5 million), Tomas Kaberle ($2.28 million), Ken Klee ($1.9 million), Aki Berg* ($1.1 million), Karel Pilar* ($450,000). FORWARDS Mats Sundin (earning $6.8 million; $6.3 million against the cap), Darcy Tucker ($1.6 million), Jeff O'Neill ($1.5 million), Nik Antropov* ($1 million), Matt Stajan ($805,000), Wade Belak* ($798,000), Chad Kilger ($475,000), Alex Ponikarovsky ($450,000), Nathan Perrott* ($450,000) * Have until Aug. 15 to accept qualifying offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Calgary's is prettier: http://www.dylanmiles.com/fffbc/cgy_roster.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 (edited) funny, everyone expects players to sign their qualifying offers. I have heard a lot of players saying that they wont (for example Zetterberg with detroit) I have a hard time believing that martin will accept $506,000.00 after his worldcup stint and the kind of rookie season he had (once he got off the "martinride to albany" that people had him on half the season) or that gionta would play for $570,000.00 when he is a first line player Edited August 3, 2005 by Swede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkirt Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 well the player has 3 choices: sign the qualifier, elect to go to arbitration, or negotiate a long-term deal with the qualifying team. True, the players do not have to sign, but their playing rights are held by the qualifying team. They have little choice but to sign. And they must sign by December 1, or sit out the entire season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 well the player has 3 choices: sign the qualifier, elect to go to arbitration, or negotiate a long-term deal with the qualifying team.True, the players do not have to sign, but their playing rights are held by the qualifying team. They have little choice but to sign. And they must sign by December 1, or sit out the entire season <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If I was making $100.000 more than minimum and was playing on the 1st line I'd probably try to see what I could do about it. should be interesting to see what will happen with this the next couple of weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Puddy Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Yeah, I doubt Gionta and Martin will be signed for their qualifiers, honestly. Which even moreso spells the end of Raf or Nieds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomguyX Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Was Stevens resigned when I wasn't looking? Why is it that everyone believes he is coming back? With the New NHL and the way we have already seen players bouncing around the league would it be out of the question to think that Lou might spend the money on Rafi AND Nieds and let Stevens go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyFan42 Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Was Stevens resigned when I wasn't looking? Why is it that everyone believes he is coming back? With the New NHL and the way we have already seen players bouncing around the league would it be out of the question to think that Lou might spend the money on Rafi AND Nieds and let Stevens go? I don't know if everyone's convinced he's coming back, but the consensus seems to be that he won't play anywhere else. He'll either resign with the Devs or retire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwindog Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Was Stevens resigned when I wasn't looking? Why is it that everyone believes he is coming back? With the New NHL and the way we have already seen players bouncing around the league would it be out of the question to think that Lou might spend the money on Rafi AND Nieds and let Stevens go? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What... are you TRYING to get me started. Stevens is a out he's forced into retirement I dotn think Lou will even have the 450K left over to keep him. He' in the wings IF neider isnt' re-signed. if nieds is his SOL. No one assumes Stevens is back they're just being kind until the final death nell HAPPY NOW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msweet Posted August 4, 2005 Author Share Posted August 4, 2005 (edited) We'll we need to make some changes here Edited August 4, 2005 by msweet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SueNJ97 Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Well we need to make some changes here <{POST_SNAPBACK}> When the numbers get leaked to the public someone can update them. Unless you have a psychic friends network that can divine them without them being reported... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwindog Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 (edited) I like this board when we get chippy... it's just tough to keep out of the whipped dog mode.. and season hasn't even started... Edited August 4, 2005 by Darwindog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkirt Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 (edited) The Devils had to go elsewhere to shore up their defence and did so by re-signing unrestricted free agent Brian Ralalski to an $8.4 million, two-year deal-as well as getting veteran blue-liners Dan McGillis and Vladimir Malakhov under contract. Malakhov signed a $7.2 million, two year deal. Edited August 4, 2005 by BlueSkirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefiestygoat Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Assuming all players accept qualifying offers, even though some probably won't. Did factor in Parise but not Suglobov. Here is my rough estimate. Make corrections if needed. Signed Players (23 for $35,312,000) *Contract Value not known Roster Martin Brodeur ($5.24 million) Scott Clemmensen (450G) Sergei Brylin ($1.52 million) Grant Marshall (760G) Richard Matvichuk ($1.36 million) Krzysztof Oliwa (836G) Jay Pandolfo (836G) Darren Langdon (450G) Erik Rasmussen (532G) Zach Parise (925G) John Madden ($3.9 million) Jeff Friesen ($2.28 million) Patrick Elias ($4.18 million) Scott Gomez ($2.2 million) Viktor Kozlov ($1.74 million) Colin White ($1.71 million) Jamie Langenbrunner ($1.65 million) Paul Martin ($798G) Brian Gionta ($627G) Sean Brown ($450G) David Hale ($758G) Brian Rafalski ($4.2 million) Dan McGillis* Vladimir Malakhov ($3.6 million) UFA (1) Scott Stevens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 madden's number is lower than 3.9. it's been discussed to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 So the Devils have a full roster and a little under 4 million to play with assuming no RFA's get a raise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefiestygoat Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 madden's number is lower than 3.9. it's been discussed to death. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry for missing that discussion. Link please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msweet Posted August 4, 2005 Author Share Posted August 4, 2005 The Devils had to go elsewhere to shore up their defence and did so by re-signing unrestricted free agent Brian Ralalski to an $8.4 million, two-year deal-as well as getting veteran blue-liners Dan McGillis and Vladimir Malakhov under contract. Malakhov signed a $7.2 million, two year deal. Where did you get this Blue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.