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#21 Swede

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Posted 03 August 2005 - 02:47 PM

well if we compare the earlier contracts one can see a small difference (understatement)

Brodeur hasn't even let a contract expire (i think)
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 02:56 PM

well if we compare the earlier contracts one can see a small difference (understatement)

Brodeur hasn't even let a contract expire (i think)

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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:05 PM

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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:06 PM


If my calulations are correct, if we sign him for that price our payroll will be at $34,312,000.00 leaving just under 5 million to sign Stevens and Rafalski. Lets hope for the best.

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that is, if everyone accept their qualifying offers (don't think martin and gionta will)

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tru dat. Is there any date that people have to accept/deny qualifying offers by?
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:07 PM

No. This sucks. $6.8M is WAY TOO MUCH MONEY TO SPEND ON ONE PLAYER. I'd rather have 3 guys making $2.2M. This is a team sport and throwing 17% of your whole salary monies down on ONE player is wrong. I want to roll four lines equally. I want 3 strong D partners. In hockey, you are only as good as your weakest link - the strongest link may help out their place in the chain, but the chain as a whole will break. Give me Rafalski, Stevens and, oh I dunno, Brad Bombadir. I don't care. I just give me 6 good D and let someone else overpay on great D.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:09 PM


If my calulations are correct, if we sign him for that price our payroll will be at $34,312,000.00 leaving just under 5 million to sign Stevens and Rafalski. Lets hope for the best.

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that is, if everyone accept their qualifying offers (don't think martin and gionta will)

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tru dat. Is there any date that people have to accept/deny qualifying offers by?

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Yes, they have to accept them by the 15th or all bets are off. But players have until the 10th to file for arbitration if they are eligible for it, and the teams can file by the 11th (remember, they can file to REDUCE a player's contract now). Other wise, they can choose to haggle it out at the bargaining table.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:13 PM

Give me Rafalski, Stevens and, oh I dunno, Brad Bombadir. I don't care. I just give me 6 good D and let someone else overpay on great D.

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i'd rather have Neidermayer, Stevens, and Hale than your 3.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:14 PM

I agree with Don on this one. With the Cap in effect, signing him would be more hurtful to the teams overall success in the coming years. Nieds is a great player, but keeping him would take money away from keeping other players.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:14 PM

DAMNIT PEOPLE IT'S NIEDERMAYER!!! :soap:


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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:15 PM

^Thanks Sue!

I must say that after reading Don's post about not pouring a lot of money into one player, it makes a lot of sense. If the Devils get Niedermayer for 6.8 mil I will still be happy but if they don't I hope they could get Stevens, Rafalski, and another good D to fill in. Imagine a D of Stevens, Rafalski, Matvichuk, Hale, Martin, White and someone like Bombadir or something.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:16 PM

DAMNIT PEOPLE IT'S NIEDERMAYER!!! :soap:


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They're deliberately misspelling it because they think he's asking for too much $$$ and taking too long to make up his mind. :evil:

Or not.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:18 PM

Give me Rafalski, Stevens and, oh I dunno, Brad Bombadir. I don't care. I just give me 6 good D and let someone else overpay on great D.


i'd rather have Neidermayer, Stevens, and Hale than your 3.


Are you suggesting that the salaries for Niedermayer+Stevens+Hale = salaries for Rafalski+Stevens+Bomber?

And I'm thinking someone is forgetting how well Hale played last season (that they played) with the Devils.

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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:18 PM

^Thanks Sue!

Imagine a D of Stevens, Rafalski, Matvichuk, Hale, Martin, White and someone like Bombadir or something.

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Imagine a d of

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Martin
Matvichuk
white
hale
Brown...

I'll take Neids at 7 mil in a NY Minute and twice on Sunday
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:19 PM

Watch, this all turns out to be a big elaborate joke, and Nieds signs for 450k.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:20 PM

DAMNIT PEOPLE IT'S NIEDERMAYER!!! :soap:


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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:21 PM

Red, I am not suggesting not going after Nieds, because I really want him. However, if he goes away for 6.8+ million, than I will also be happy because it will give Lou a chance to add more depth to the D. It is the concept of 3 above average D>1 supergreat D. Either way I think the Devils will end up in a good situation.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:22 PM

Give me Rafalski, Stevens and, oh I dunno, Brad Bombadir. I don't care. I just give me 6 good D and let someone else overpay on great D.


i'd rather have Neidermayer, Stevens, and Hale than your 3.


Are you suggesting that the salaries for Niedermayer+Stevens+Hale = salaries for Rafalski+Stevens+Bomber?

And I'm thinking someone is forgetting how well Hale played last season (that they played) with the Devils.

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i would say that total salary is within $1 million. and i can't tell if you're saying that Hale was good or not in 03-04. personally, i don't think he was that great, but would be fine as a #6 defenseman.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:24 PM

^Thanks Sue!

Imagine a D of Stevens, Rafalski, Matvichuk, Hale, Martin, White and someone like Bombadir or something.


Imagine a d of

Steven
Martin
Matvichuk
white
hale
Brown...

I'll take Neids at 7 mil in a NY Minute and twice on Sunday

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I doubt we can fit Niedermayer at $7M and Stevens in under the cap. But let's say you are right.

Niedermayer-White
Stevens-Martin
Matvichuk-Hale/Brown

vs

Stevens-Rafalski
White-Martin
Matvichuk-Bomber

The trick to this cap thingy is to get the biggest bang for your buck. And that is not Niedermayer at $7M/year.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:25 PM

I suggested it in another thread and I'll say it here. I think a Niedermayer+ Rafalski+ Hale grouping looks better than either of those 2.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:26 PM

Imagine a d of

Niedermayer
Martin
Matvichuk
white
hale
Brown...

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because that's all you're getting.

I thinkit's very sweet how you all think Stevens is coming back ... he's not though... not if nieds is signed. Are we all clear on this? Pick your sentimentality folks. In the end I thinkit's over paying but I do thinkit makes sense to take Nieds - it's a known quantity.
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