I don't think it was a train-wreck, and I do think the judges were a little too critical tonight. This is only the second performance for these girls on national tv, they're still working out the nervous kinks and whatnot. I didn't really hear an outright awful performance aside from Brenna, I thought average really suited the show best. There were few standouts tonight, sure, but I dunno, I think people are too hard on the contestants early on just because they're so accustomed to hearing and seeing Top 12 material. This is still the begining, and these people still need to work on not being so nervous and whatnot. Beyond week four, a show like this could be considered a train wreck, but right now I'm not going to be THAT hard on them.
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 11:25 PM
I don't think it was a train-wreck, and I do think the judges were a little too critical tonight. This is only the second performance for these girls on national tv, they're still working out the nervous kinks and whatnot. I didn't really hear an outright awful performance aside from Brenna, I thought average really suited the show best. There were few standouts tonight, sure, but I dunno, I think people are too hard on the contestants early on just because they're so accustomed to hearing and seeing Top 12 material. This is still the begining, and these people still need to work on not being so nervous and whatnot. Beyond week four, a show like this could be considered a train wreck, but right now I'm not going to be THAT hard on them.
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 11:35 PM
Well point taken but part of it is I'm a harder mark when it comes to songs I've heard a thousand times before, like the one Kellie sang. If I'd never heard it before I'd probably think it was better but since I hear it a gillion times on the radio it's harder to impress me by doing that. Someone else this week (can't remember who) did a song I know somewhat and wasn't all that great. That was part of my problem with Becky last week as well.
OTOH I've heard some pretty good renditions of songs I'm either used to or like, so I'm not an impossible marker
And yes the judges were pretty hard with a 'couple' of them, but what else is new 
OTOH I've heard some pretty good renditions of songs I'm either used to or like, so I'm not an impossible marker
And yes the judges were pretty hard with a 'couple' of them, but what else is new
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Posted 01 March 2006 - 02:06 PM
I thought the girls as a whole were pretty mediocre. But I do agree with RD that the judges slammed on some of them a bit too much, which kinda proves my point that they so want a WHITE MALE to win. 
Case in point, Ayla and Melissa. I believed they were among the best of the night (not GREAT by any means, but decent) and the judges critiqued them almost as much as some of the others who legitimately sucked!
And they seemed to go easy on those like Lisa, Paristasia, and Kellie Picklehead when it came to their weak vocals.
(Is it just me or did Paris seem to sing most of that song in too low a key? It sounded like sh!t!!!! I assumed she was doing this to hit the high notes, so she didn't sound like a helium chipmunk, but the rest of the song was horrid. I don't recall the judges saying ANYTHING about this!!!!)
I reaaaaaaally hope the guys are better tonight.
Case in point, Ayla and Melissa. I believed they were among the best of the night (not GREAT by any means, but decent) and the judges critiqued them almost as much as some of the others who legitimately sucked!
And they seemed to go easy on those like Lisa, Paristasia, and Kellie Picklehead when it came to their weak vocals.(Is it just me or did Paris seem to sing most of that song in too low a key? It sounded like sh!t!!!! I assumed she was doing this to hit the high notes, so she didn't sound like a helium chipmunk, but the rest of the song was horrid. I don't recall the judges saying ANYTHING about this!!!!)
I reaaaaaaally hope the guys are better tonight.
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Well, let's see here:I thought the girls as a whole were pretty mediocre. But I do agree with RD that the judges slammed on some of them a bit too much, which kinda proves my point that they so want a WHITE MALE to win.
Season 1 - White female wins, pseudo-white male runner-up.
Season 2 - Black male wins, white male comes in second but enjoys much more success in the real world.
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Season 4 - White female wins, white male runner-up.
It wouldn't surprise me if they truly were trying to rig it so that a white male wins this year -- after all, they've more or less engineered the results every other year so far -- but at the same time, I think a white male is due to win it all anyway. And I wouldn't mind seeing Paris or Mandisa come in second.
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Posted 01 March 2006 - 02:21 PM
I think this is the guys' year, and we'll see tonight if the judges really are grooming a guy to win or not. If the guys pull out performances like the ladies did last night and the judges AREN'T overly-critical like they were last night, I'll definitely not hesitate to say the fix is in for a guy to win. We'll see though, but I *do* agree that it seems like AI wants a man (specifically white male) to win.
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Posted 01 March 2006 - 02:28 PM
Well, let's see here:
Season 1 - White female wins, pseudo-white male runner-up.
Season 2 - Black male wins, white male comes in second but enjoys much more success in the real world.
Season 3 - Black female wins, white female runner-up.
Season 4 - White female wins, white male runner-up.
It wouldn't surprise me if they truly were trying to rig it so that a white male wins this year -- after all, they've more or less engineered the results every other year so far -- but at the same time, I think a white male is due to win it all anyway. And I wouldn't mind seeing Paris or Mandisa come in second.
All the more reason they probably really want a white male to win is that when you look at the previous winners, the only TRUE successful winner has been a white female. I think by getting a white male to win, they'll somewhat come full circle and will have their best shot at mainstream success.
When you look at the winners, how successful in mainstream have they been?
Season 1: Kelly Clarkson -- she's won multiple HUGE awards (ie Grammy, VMA), she broke out and has had huge success. However, when she was under the reigns of AI, she was looked at as somewhat of a joke. It wasn't until she broke free that she became the superstar she is today.
Season 2: Ruben Studdard -- He had that one single that was remotely successful in mainstream, but really hasn't done much else. He was supposed to do that whole weight-loss campaign but aborted not even weeks into the project. Where is he now?
Season 3: Fantasia -- She's been pretty successful in the BET world, when I'm flipping through the channels I often see her on the channel and she does have some R&B success, but I don't think I've ever heard a song of hers really circulate through the radio aside from R&B stations. Not really a mainstream artist.
Season 4: Carrie Underwood -- The jury is out, but I don't really think she'll end up being a mainstream pop artist. She's probably going to appeal to the country fans, and maybe a Z100-type station will pick up a song or two of her, but I don't think we'll see music videos galore on MTV nor do I think we'll hear her all over the radio.
So, if AI has a shot at another gem, they probably should go for a white male. However, it can be argued that AI didn't really mold Kelly to be who she is NOW, rather, they were the foundation of her success. I think they can pull out another mainstream pop star, but with the crops they have now, it's going to have to be a white male. I could see Ace probably as their top choice.
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Posted 01 March 2006 - 02:52 PM
All the more reason they probably really want a white male to win is that when you look at the previous winners, the only TRUE successful winner has been a white female. I think by getting a white male to win, they'll somewhat come full circle and will have their best shot at mainstream success.
When you look at the winners, how successful in mainstream have they been?
Season 1: Kelly Clarkson -- she's won multiple HUGE awards (ie Grammy, VMA), she broke out and has had huge success. However, when she was under the reigns of AI, she was looked at as somewhat of a joke. It wasn't until she broke free that she became the superstar she is today.
Season 2: Ruben Studdard -- He had that one single that was remotely successful in mainstream, but really hasn't done much else. He was supposed to do that whole weight-loss campaign but aborted not even weeks into the project. Where is he now?
Season 3: Fantasia -- She's been pretty successful in the BET world, when I'm flipping through the channels I often see her on the channel and she does have some R&B success, but I don't think I've ever heard a song of hers really circulate through the radio aside from R&B stations. Not really a mainstream artist.
Season 4: Carrie Underwood -- The jury is out, but I don't really think she'll end up being a mainstream pop artist. She's probably going to appeal to the country fans, and maybe a Z100-type station will pick up a song or two of her, but I don't think we'll see music videos galore on MTV nor do I think we'll hear her all over the radio.
So, if AI has a shot at another gem, they probably should go for a white male. However, it can be argued that AI didn't really mold Kelly to be who she is NOW, rather, they were the foundation of her success. I think they can pull out another mainstream pop star, but with the crops they have now, it's going to have to be a white male. I could see Ace probably as their top choice.
I've never heard Fantasia on mainstream stations, not once!! She must be only on the urban stations that play r and b, hip hop, and rap. I'm kinda glad for that though, cus' I can't stand listening to her screeching voice.
Ruben is going to have a smaller niche too given his style of music - r and b and gospel??? Not everyone enjoys it. Plus he's so morbidly obese I just can't see this guy substaining his career for long - he's already had health scares. As for Carrie, I think those in charge knew that she'd mainly appeal to the country market but she's already sold over 2 million albums.... so she'll make them $$$$ even if she stays country, since country music has a big fanbase all over the country (yes, even in the Northeast to some degree!). Maybe she'll cross over into the country-pop realm in the future like Shania and Faith Hill did.
The ironic thing about Kelly Clarkson being the most successful Idol EVER of ANY Idol competition in the world is that the dumbass producers never even wanted her to win!! They wanted Tamyra to be the victor!
That just goes to show they don't know sh!t sometimes, as far as what the public wants. I really wish they'd ease up on the pimpage with certain contestants, even with those I like. Season 1 had a bit less of that manipulation and it all worked out - the fans DID vote for the BEST, without it being shoved down their throat every second! Of course, I had to endure the Tamyra Love Fest for a while before she went bye bye.... but it was still nothing compared to recent seasons.I think Ace is their man this year, and Chris if Ace falters. Both have appeal, just to different fanbases I guess (depends if you go for "boy-band-pop-r and b" or "alternative-rock"). Taylor or one of those teens like Will might be the back up back up plan. The reason I don't think they want ANY non-white dude winning is cus look at who they chose.....
1) Bobby Bennett
2) Gedeon - scary Joker type smile, not a horrid singer but nothing that makes you go "wow", huge ego and annoying personality. He'll be LUCKY to make the top 12.
3) Sway - uh, no. Sings like he's been castrated, and doesn't sing WELL as it is. Very bland r and b sound with crappy vocals. He might squeak into the Top 12 if Gedeon doesn't (if the show feels like they HAVE to have at least one non white dude in the Top 12.. the judges pimp his ass too much for my liking).
I pray to god PARIS isn't in their plans to win if a few of the top guys doesn't pan out, cus I can't tolerate her!!!!! It's like Mantasia all over again.
Yeah, I know she doesn't sing EXACTLY the same way but it's the whole package that's irritating the fvck out of me.
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I think that if a girl DID win it, production would gun for Lisa, not Paris. Lisa has the likeability factor that Paris doesn't really have. Depending on how Ayla does in the next few weeks, should could also be a threat in the competition.
I've heard Fantasia played a few times on the radio stations around here, I think Z100 played on of her songs a couple times when it first came out and then it dropped off the face of the planet. She's built a pretty good rep in the R&B world, but no way she'll be mainstream.
Ruben is just done, IMO. I agree that his weight really is going to prevent him from ever really doing anything. No way he can handle all the touring, studio time, press time, etc. It'll be too much stress on his body. He needs to lose weight or his health, not just his career is in jeopardy.
Yeah, Carrie is doing well in the country realm, and I think that's best for her and AI. I don't see her as a potential crossover like Faith Hill, but stranger things have happened.
I've heard Fantasia played a few times on the radio stations around here, I think Z100 played on of her songs a couple times when it first came out and then it dropped off the face of the planet. She's built a pretty good rep in the R&B world, but no way she'll be mainstream.
Ruben is just done, IMO. I agree that his weight really is going to prevent him from ever really doing anything. No way he can handle all the touring, studio time, press time, etc. It'll be too much stress on his body. He needs to lose weight or his health, not just his career is in jeopardy.
Yeah, Carrie is doing well in the country realm, and I think that's best for her and AI. I don't see her as a potential crossover like Faith Hill, but stranger things have happened.
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I wouldn't want Paris to win on principle, to me the show's not about people like her, with her lineage she can always get opportunities. In theory the show's about giving someone a chance that wouldn't ordinarily get one. I doubt she'll win anyway cause it seems to be set up for the white male to win as others have alluded to, though she'll definitely hang around a while
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Posted 01 March 2006 - 10:12 PM
I still love Chris.
I cant help he.. he has not picked a song yet that I dont like and he seems to pick groups that I absolutely was or am obsessed with...
i dunno..i jsut like him...and its not the vin diesel look alike thing that is doing it for me.
I missed taylor but in the recap it didnt seem so good.
I really think the crooner kid and the other young one (who was so excited about meeting justin - duh) are not too safe.. and i have not been a fan of sway yet.. even though they enjoyed it last week,
I still LOVE the guys compared to the girls this year.
I also like Bucky a bit.. hes not outstanding to me.. and i know he wont win..but i just think he is funny.
They actually like ACe a lot more then I did tonight.. I didnt think it sounded so good at all... and I like ACE... but they still werent too harsh considering I thought it was nto even close to what he was capable of.
I cant help he.. he has not picked a song yet that I dont like and he seems to pick groups that I absolutely was or am obsessed with...
i dunno..i jsut like him...and its not the vin diesel look alike thing that is doing it for me.
I missed taylor but in the recap it didnt seem so good.
I really think the crooner kid and the other young one (who was so excited about meeting justin - duh) are not too safe.. and i have not been a fan of sway yet.. even though they enjoyed it last week,
I still LOVE the guys compared to the girls this year.
I also like Bucky a bit.. hes not outstanding to me.. and i know he wont win..but i just think he is funny.
They actually like ACe a lot more then I did tonight.. I didnt think it sounded so good at all... and I like ACE... but they still werent too harsh considering I thought it was nto even close to what he was capable of.
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I think Chris is the man this year. Even if he doesn't win he will be popular. He is just a dependable hard rock singer.
I think the crooner is gone for sure. As for the second, I think it's between my man Kevin Covais and Will Makar.
I think the crooner is gone for sure. As for the second, I think it's between my man Kevin Covais and Will Makar.
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Which is why I wonder what he's doing on the show in the first place. I feel like people who are consistently into his style of singing are not so much American Idol's fanbase, unless he wants to be a latter-day Bon Jovi, and really, isn't one enough?I think Chris is the man this year. Even if he doesn't win he will be popular. He is just a dependable hard rock singer.
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True. Chris should be in a band. Granted, it would be about him, but it would have some other name.
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Okay, I just saw the performances...here is my take:
Ace: Eh. I didn't think it was even HALF as good as last week. Disappointing. I think Simon was right, he sang a song that was too difficult for him. The other judges seemed to LOVE it though, which just confirms our thoughts that Idol is gunning for a white male to win.
Bucky: Pretty good -- he started out kinda blah, but he hit it at the end, I think he'll be fine this week.
Chris: I LOVE Chris, and I thought the performance was good, but I didn't think it was incredible; I didn't even think it was the best of the night. I have a problem with the way he shakes his voice, it's kind of annoying. If he didn't do that, I wouldn't hesitate to say it was the best song of the night.
David: Poor David looks like he's going to cry everytime the judges give their comments. I think he really should get the boot soon, not because I don't LIKE him, but because I feel BAD for him. He gets absolutely torn to shreds every week, and I don't see the judges easing up on him anytime soon. He's just not a fit with this competition, at least not this year.
Elliot: I *really* liked his performance. He was incredible. In fact, THIS was probably my favorite performance of the night. He has such a smooth voice, it sounds really great.
Gedeon: I thought it was pretty good. I know some people on the board don't like him, but I do. I think he has good energy, and his voice is nice and rich. The problem with him though is that he seems to have a comfort zone that he doesn't want to get out of, which will likely be the downfall of him in the competition.
Sway: Eh. Boring. Forgettable. He might be in trouble.
Kevin: Sorry, I know he's the underdog and all, but I just can't get into him. His voice is really shaky and he always looks like he's about to puke when he's up on stage. He has ZERO stage presence, but I'm sure given more time and work he could improve on that. I want to like him though, I really do.
Taylor: I didn't really like the song choice. And could he have screamed "WOO!" any more than he did?! Yikes. Take some valium or something bud.
Will: I don't see anything special about this guy whatsoever. Average voice, average stage presence, average looks. Everything is average. No way this guy is going to win AI, mark my words now.
Ace: Eh. I didn't think it was even HALF as good as last week. Disappointing. I think Simon was right, he sang a song that was too difficult for him. The other judges seemed to LOVE it though, which just confirms our thoughts that Idol is gunning for a white male to win.
Bucky: Pretty good -- he started out kinda blah, but he hit it at the end, I think he'll be fine this week.
Chris: I LOVE Chris, and I thought the performance was good, but I didn't think it was incredible; I didn't even think it was the best of the night. I have a problem with the way he shakes his voice, it's kind of annoying. If he didn't do that, I wouldn't hesitate to say it was the best song of the night.
David: Poor David looks like he's going to cry everytime the judges give their comments. I think he really should get the boot soon, not because I don't LIKE him, but because I feel BAD for him. He gets absolutely torn to shreds every week, and I don't see the judges easing up on him anytime soon. He's just not a fit with this competition, at least not this year.
Elliot: I *really* liked his performance. He was incredible. In fact, THIS was probably my favorite performance of the night. He has such a smooth voice, it sounds really great.
Gedeon: I thought it was pretty good. I know some people on the board don't like him, but I do. I think he has good energy, and his voice is nice and rich. The problem with him though is that he seems to have a comfort zone that he doesn't want to get out of, which will likely be the downfall of him in the competition.
Sway: Eh. Boring. Forgettable. He might be in trouble.
Kevin: Sorry, I know he's the underdog and all, but I just can't get into him. His voice is really shaky and he always looks like he's about to puke when he's up on stage. He has ZERO stage presence, but I'm sure given more time and work he could improve on that. I want to like him though, I really do.
Taylor: I didn't really like the song choice. And could he have screamed "WOO!" any more than he did?! Yikes. Take some valium or something bud.
Will: I don't see anything special about this guy whatsoever. Average voice, average stage presence, average looks. Everything is average. No way this guy is going to win AI, mark my words now.
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Posted 02 March 2006 - 06:32 PM
I wasn't all that impressed with the guys performance-wise. Most of them sang well but picked boring songs and/or showed zero charisma. Chris and Bucky were the only ones I liked, Gedeon who I wasn't a big fan of last week improved this week. I hate to be superficial about Harry Potter, but if I didn't have to look at Kevin I'd think he was good but when you look at him he doesn't look like a performer either appearance-wise or presence-wise.
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Posted 02 March 2006 - 08:29 PM
Brenna, Kinnik, Heather in the bottom three.
Brenna kicked off. She says "wait for my album!"
Last performance...sounds GOD AWFUL!
Brenna kicked off. She says "wait for my album!"
Last performance...sounds GOD AWFUL!
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Posted 02 March 2006 - 08:36 PM
Heather kicked off.
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Posted 02 March 2006 - 08:48 PM
David got the boot. Poor kid.
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Ughh wanted to watch Ai last night..I told myself i wouldn't watch this season but dammit i have started...
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Posted 02 March 2006 - 08:56 PM
Sway voted off.
...poster claims to have a friend whos father know Kovalchucks agent's close partner and he was told by his friends father that they are just sorting the details out.
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