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#21 Matteau#32

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 10:21 PM

I have Dish Network and center ice and never get oln games. Dish HAD OLN offered as part of the top 180 package at one point and it was dropped. With Center Ice you DO get both home and away feeds for most games. I seldom get a Philly feed, Chicago doesnt televise home games, so I never get a chicago feed when they play at home, and never a montreal feed.
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 10:24 PM

In Canada the conference finals/Cup finals and other playoff games are on CBC. You can only get 3rd and 4th rd playoff games on CBC in the US if you live near the border and can pick up CBC via an antenna or get it on your cable. Center Ice stops broadcasting after the second round of the playoffs.
The rates OLN wants to charge can't be that high since everyone else is paying them. Keeping programming I want to watch off the air is not in my best interest. It might be in the best interest of people who don't like hockey but I am not one of those people.

EDIT: This thread has started to make me think. You know if it wasn't for sports I would not even pay for cable every month. It just wouldn't be worth it unless it was dramatically less (in the $10-15 a month range). I watch a handful of non-sports related cable shows but nothing I couldn't live without.


I'm not sure but since there isn't really anything on OLN I don't think it would be worth it to give them a higher price at this time. The reason I am switching is for cheaper rates right now the cable bill is $130 and I don't get all the channels I am getting with Dish. The other thing is sports the only channels I got that showed hockey was OLN, NBC, and HDNet between the three I only got 3 devils games this year. After about a month after hockey got back I stopped watching OLN because of audio problems I got all the time. They never showed the devils I believe they show two devil games. I did watch HDNet which I am not getting with dish because they wanted $2500 for the satellite but I mainly watched that for hockey because it was really nice looking and they gave away a jersey every game which I never got a sniff at.


Edit 1 - I have the america's everything pack and I looked at their top package which I believe is Total Choice Premier and it is more if you don't add local channels by about $10 I am not sure if directv charges for local channels though.

Edited by sandman441, 27 January 2006 - 10:28 PM.

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 10:44 PM

With locals DirecTV Total Choice Premiere is $94 vs $87 for Dish's America Everything package. However, you get over 20 additional channels with Total Choice Premiere. That is the only comparison that Dish wins price wise. I've already shown you Total Choice vs Top 120. Total Choice Plus (185 chans) ($46) vs America's Top 180 ($53) DirecTV with OLN and YES is cheaper than Dish without.
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 11:01 PM

With locals DirecTV Total Choice Premiere is $94 vs $87 for Dish's America Everything package. However, you get over 20 additional channels with Total Choice Premiere. That is the only comparison that Dish wins price wise. I've already shown you Total Choice vs Top 120. Total Choice Plus (185 chans) ($46) vs America's Top 180 ($53) DirecTV with OLN and YES is cheaper than Dish without.



Ok so DirecTV doesn't charge for local channels that's good. I was also surprised that directv was less expensive than dish in the smaller packages. If a reliable company here starts selling directv I will probably end up getting that. But I don't know who would I looked at the directtv site and did a search for dealers and they only had 1 listed. Like I said I'm not worried about not getting YES because the only sport I watch is hockey and I guess if you get technical Cage fighting but most of the hockey is covered by center ice and I think by next season OLN will be on dish but right now they should be good with the money they are getting now unless they are planning on adding more sports and good shows. The cage fighting (UFC and Pride FC) is covered by Spike and Fox Sports. OLN is a big one though. Here is the prices for the packages for my cable company it's not bad but they charge you for everything.

Digital Service (149 channels)
Includes Digital Variety package, Digital Music, Preferred Service, access to Pay-Per-View, one digital converter and universal remote. $67.47
Preferred Service (120 channels)
Includes Basic Service, Digital Music, access to Pay-Per-View, one converter and universal remote. $52.48
Basic Service (19 channels)
$20.70
Digital Sports* (7 channels)
$5.00
Digital Family* (8 channels)
$4.00
HBO / MAX Pak (15 channels)
$17.95
HBO the Works (7 channels)
$13.95
Showtime Unlimited (12 channels)
$13.95
Starz! Superpak (13 channels)
$12.95
MultiMax (8 channels)
$10.95
The Filipino Channel
$13.99
Korean Channel
$13.99
High Definition Package (5 channels)
$6.99
* Subscription to Digital Variety package required.
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Digital Converter and Universal Remote (each)
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Posted 28 January 2006 - 12:23 AM

Hey Sandman, do they charge you more since you live in Alaska? Just curious. Also, don't you guys need bigger dishes since the satellites are lower on the horizon up here?
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Posted 28 January 2006 - 12:43 AM

Hey Sandman, do they charge you more since you live in Alaska? Just curious. Also, don't you guys need bigger dishes since the satellites are lower on the horizon up here?



I haven't seen the dishes yet but I might be able to answer your question. The price is the same as on the dish site $87 (which include local channels) for the america's everything pack they charge you I think 6.99 to get local channels. I did need two dishes which I don't think if you are in the lower 48 you need but not 100% sure. I do know the second dish is I think 4 feet. The first dish is I think is regular size (whatever that is) The second dish is I believe $600 plus $100 to install it unless I wanted to switch the phone or internet over then installation would be free. But the company sucks and I am getting faster internet speeds than what they offer. But usually yes everything else is more expensive here than down there. It's mainly because of shipping and handling charges. Also where I am we are surrounded by mountains here's a picture not a good one but it shows a mountain in the background but we are surrounded by them. Now I have to hope they can put it on the house somewhere so a moose doesn't come in the yard and walk on it.

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 06:49 PM

The rates OLN wants to charge can't be that high since everyone else is paying them. Keeping programming I want to watch off the air is not in my best interest. It might be in the best interest of people who don't like hockey but I am not one of those people.

EDIT2: Comparing Apples to Apples. DirecTV Total Choice (155 channels) with locals costs $41.99. Dish's Americas Top 120 with locals costs $42.99! So, I pay a dollar more a month, get fewer channels and don't get OLN or YES. I don't buy the whole argument that Dish is looking out for my financial interest when they charge more and give me less.


Two years ago, Dish Network offered 137 basic channels, plus regional sports networks, 2 ESPN alternates (which used to offer different hockey game broadcasts most nights for fans who liked having more options back when ESPN still had NHL rights), 30+ CD music channels and a boatload of Sirius music channels (50+ alone). The same package now has even more channels today. The numbers game isn't a true apples-to-apples comparison as you have tons of music channels, home shopping networks, pay-per-view channels, and barker channels inflating things and you actually get way more then 120 channels in AT120. Dish is far more conservative in their numbering system then DirecTV. DirecTV's prices are going up in March while Dish Network's prices are going up next month. New family channel packages are coming soon from both providers as well. One of these nights you should google some of the original posts put up in the OLN message boards regarding their bullying tactics against Cable and Satellite before the season began just for kicks. You might be a bit surprised the more you discover researching this. Comcast was up to their old dirty tricks again just like they did in making Comcast Sports Net Philly a cable exclusive by keeping their broadcast lines fiber-only.

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 08:34 PM

One of these nights you should google some of the original posts put up in the OLN message boards regarding their bullying tactics against Cable and Satellite before the season began just for kicks. You might be a bit surprised the more you discover researching this.



I remember reading about that. I was lucky enough to already have OLN although I didn't know I did until I checked. I guess OLN didn't get the football contract they wanted either. I hope OLN can get their act together or this could end up as worse than when ESPN had hockey (ratings wise I mean they are pretty much already there though).
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Posted 29 January 2006 - 10:25 AM

I'm not saying Comcast is wonderful. All of the service providers and content providers suck. However, they eventually got everyone else to pony up for OLN.

The Dish/DiercTV package comparison is very close. Tne differences are minor. Minor enough that it is appalling for Dish to complain about price and charge more for a simillar number of channels that does not offer OLN.

The only channel Dish offers to lower package subscribers that DirecTV does not that I would want is CSTV. However that is more than made up for with OLN and YES.

The NFL will show the games that OLN was bidding for on NFL Network. I am sure the NFL Network will raise their prices. It will be interesting to see if Dish Network decides to keep it.
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Posted 29 January 2006 - 04:39 PM

I'm not saying Comcast is wonderful. All of the service providers and content providers suck. However, they eventually got everyone else to pony up for OLN.


OLN was trying to get a higher price because they had hockey nothing else but hockey. Unfortunately hockey isn't popular in the US. OLN and Dish had I believe 3 years left before the contract expired. OLN broke the contract and are now off dish. If the NHL really cared about the fans they would step in and tell comcast to get back on dish. After reading posts on a different message board about the situation I can't blame dish for what they did. Although I think dish should try to add it as a la carte channel.


The NFL will show the games that OLN was bidding for on NFL Network. I am sure the NFL Network will raise their prices. It will be interesting to see if Dish Network decides to keep it.



It's ratings there are more football fans than hockey fans. I'm sure dish will try to get the cheapest deal possible.




EDIT -


I just found this out. I guess Dish put OLN back on the system but nobody can get to it yet. Maybe they are close to a deal or they are going to add it as a ala carte channel?.

Edited by sandman441, 29 January 2006 - 05:02 PM.

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Posted 29 January 2006 - 08:02 PM

EDIT -
I just found this out. I guess Dish put OLN back on the system but nobody can get to it yet. Maybe they are close to a deal or they are going to add it as a ala carte channel?.


Where did you find this out from?
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Posted 29 January 2006 - 08:29 PM

Where did you find this out from?



somebody asked the same question you did on that forum.


http://www.dbstalk.c...ead.php?t=51713
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Posted 29 January 2006 - 11:13 PM

somebody asked the same question you did on that forum.
http://www.dbstalk.c...ead.php?t=51713



If you have checked that thread check it again. It sounds like OLN might be up within a few days.
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Posted 29 January 2006 - 11:26 PM

If you have checked that thread check it again. It sounds like OLN might be up within a few days.


Yah, there was no answer before. Thanks for the update. So will it be the non-NHL version.
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Posted 29 January 2006 - 11:29 PM

Yah, there was no answer before. Thanks for the update. So will it be the non-NHL version.



I hope not it could be though. If they do that though OLN and NHL I think lost alot of fans. There should be no reason directv gets the games and dish doesn't. I think that's how it worked before let me know if I'm wrong though. Although I wonder if center ice would pick up the OLN games.
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Posted 30 January 2006 - 11:02 AM

Why should OLN give Dish the same deal it gives DirecTV? That's like saying the bodega up the block should be able to buy Coke for the same price Stop and Shop pays. One buys a lot more product and will thus get a better deal.

Center Ice won't pick up any OLN exclusive games. They are not allowed to.
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Posted 30 January 2006 - 05:04 PM

Why should OLN give Dish the same deal it gives DirecTV?



Not the same deal. I'm saying why is their hockey on directv and none on dish?. Whatever deal they come to better include showing hockey.
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Posted 30 January 2006 - 07:48 PM

:argh: :argh: :argh:

Sometimes I'm a little impatient especially if I want something. I haven't heard from ACS (where we signed up for dish). I called today and they had no record of us being there they are supposed to call back hopefully soon and see what went wrong. Looks like no Ottawa game for me Monday.



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They are supposed to call or come out tomorrow. So the hockey game could be in reach now :pray:

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 03:37 PM

Well no Center Ice for me. They can put up the dishes just not the big one it has to go on the roof. The roof is covered in snow and he said he didn't think he could put it up there because of all the snow and ice. So i'm screwed I guess luckily HDNet is showing the Boston game so I get to watch that and that's it until the playoffs.
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 05:28 PM

I have have Directv w/sports pack so I get OLN. I have the sports pack so I can see Devils game night.
I think we pay 102 or 107 a month with HBO STARZ Sports Pak.
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